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Build a PC Inside of a Mac

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the macs-are-personal-computers dept.

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jherro writes: "Looking for the coolest case on the block? Already have enough fish tanks? Then might just want to build a PC inside of your old classic mac. Makes a great little mp3 server. Sadly, the mirror at angelfire will probably be faster than the original at Smuniverse." Finding a cheap 9" monitor would be a nice trick, too.

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Hmm. (3, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420625)

Then might just want to build a PC inside of your old classic mac.

"What's that steaming puddle of plastic for?"

"It's my new Athlon Mac SE. You like it?"


Re:Hmm. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420812)

That's actually quite funny.

Re:Hmm. (1)

egreB (183751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420983)

Well, I have an old Mac SE. It rocks, and I would never put anything else inside it. It's a Mac SE, and it stays that way until it's completly unrunnable. I have a friend who built an aquarium out of one of these.. Darn cool! It's even got a blue backlight.

Re:Hmm. (0)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421064)

What's that steaming puddle of plastic for?"

Duuuuuuuuude! It's my Mac Bong, [wired.com] man!

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420629)

Anonymous Cowars will rule ALL the world!

And we will always be better and faster and more beautiful then logged-in-trolls in doing fist posts.

Now smoke w33d.

Re:First Post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420757)

Stupid ass AC can't even get a FP. What a fucking idiot. Kinda how you try and have sex with electrical outlets...

Do your balls shrivel when you fuck up this bad, or do you just go fuck your sister to feel better?

Re:First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421166)

Not only did he not get first post, he got shut out by an on topic, logged in post. Now THAT hurts.

Ah, I see... (4, Funny)

Lurkingrue (521019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420630)

Sorta like hiding manure inside a bouquet of flowers -- what a great evil trick to pull on someone!

*chuckles* (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420723)

This is the ultimate in putting form over function...

Although, I don't find the old Mac case all that beautiful. Interesting, yes, and certainly innovating at the time, but I wouldn't want one on my desk.

Re:Ah, I see... (2)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421173)

Ah - but isn't this a good deterrent to thieves? I remember when I was on work experience as a technician I went to turn the computer on - it didn't work. Turned out it was just an empty case to deter thieves. The keyboard and mouse were hooked up to the real computer in a cupboard.

Barf. (2, Flamebait)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420631)

People who butcher vintage computers make me sick. It's like chopping up a Model T, or 50's Tbird, and using the pieces of sheet metal to patch your AMC Gremlin.

Besides, I just got a decent 9" (monochrome) SVGA monitor for $5. Just gotta know where to look...

Re:Barf. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420655)

Where'd you look?

Re:Barf. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420703)

Goodwill actually auctions off most of the cool stuff, before it ever gets to thrift stores. Furniture and other big stuff, and for some reason, especially computers. Usually in the mornings, several times a week. I've gotten dozens of vintage computers, tons of hardware, and other cool stuff there.

Sadly, the 9" screen was a single item.

Re:Barf. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421592)

Shhh! Don't let all these people know about it. The prices will rise expoentially, even higher than the crazy people who bid there now!

Re:Barf. (3, Insightful)

trb (8509) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420714)

Garbage dumps are filled with "vintage" computers, including old macs. Would it also make you sick if people butchered old tvs? Old milk cartons?

Re:Barf. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420747)

Actually, the world would probably be a better place, if people all landfilled their TV's, and dug out those old macs. Learn 68k asm.

I choose not to take a stance on use milk cartons at this time. Some of those were classics. ;)

Re:Barf. (1)

svejoh (551683) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421191)

NoMoreNicksLeft:It's like chopping up a Model T, or 50's Tbird, and using the pieces of sheet metal to patch your AMC Gremlin.

Actually, this is more like building a hotrod from a Model T wreck when the veteran enthusiasts has given up on it.

O.K, an SE/30 in working order is still a cool machine, but it isn't really unique. If you really want to barf, check out http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/www/vaxbar.html [arizona.edu] . . .

Re:Barf. (1)

lungofish (6224) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421357)

Actually, I just picked up a couple of dead Mac SE's on Thursday, and I was going to do the fishtank thing to one of them, and send the guts on to the recycler.

These things are dead as doornails. One actually has scorchmarks on the video/powersupply board, and that's the one that at least boots, but doesn't display any video. Talking to some mac repair people, it appears that fixing them isn't really practical, and most likely impossible. I might be able to get 5 bucks for both on ebay, or I can do something fun with them, and this project might be a good thing to try.

Though I would agree with you if they were working. I also have a completely functional Mac Plus that will not be ripped apart.

Wow (-1, Flamebait)

kingharrison (574393) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420634)

For a second there I thought a Mac was actually good. Turns out its just Intel in sheeps clothing.

FuCk ThEm ALL!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420641)

|====||D (0)

Emulation (5, Funny)

Ratbert42 (452340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420644)

Then you can run the Basilisk II [uni-mainz.de] Mac emulator and have the fastest compact Mac.

Re:Emulation (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420706)

A friend and I are toying around with the idea of a MacSE PPC accelerator board. And it wouldn't rely on emulation/cheating.

Wanna race?

Re:Emulation (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420734)

Check this out! A Mac SE running Mac OSX. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,51231,00.html

Re:Emulation (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420767)

That's an SE30. Big difference. Besides, sounds like the gutted the thing. I'm talking about an actual accelerator card. Plugs into the pds slot. Besides, anyone who is into these kinds of conversions knows that the proper way to add a CD drive is front mounted, quarter height SCSI. The SE30 has enough room internally for a 1/4 height (or is it 1/8 height, I forget) drive.. and it only requires minimal dremel work for the front panel. Even better, I've heard talk of getting a slot loading CD drive, and having that exposed in the 30's grillwork.

Why the hell would you have the CD drive rear mounted? Some people have absolutely no style.

Re:Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421522)

I didn't think anyone said "besides" anymore. You have proven me wrong. Besides, I know better now.

Re:Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420737)

Oh yeah, my dual Athlon MP 2100 with 4GB RAM will roast you and your meagre PPC chips.

Re:Emulation (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420764)

Right. My Apple II+ would roast any current Intel or AMD chip. Of course I'm talking about actually getting work done, not how hot I can make my chips run, but I guess we all have our different benchmarks.

Re:Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421392)

So you're saying you can get more work done on an Apple II+ than you can on a dual Athlon system with a modern OS?

You must be insane.

Re:Emulation (1)

sheean.nl (565364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421627)

nope, he just thinks different

Re:Emulation (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420798)

Heh. You have to fit it in a compact mac case first, bonehead. I haven't seen very many dual athlon micro-atx mobos...

lies, deceit and trickery from Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420647)

First, let's look at the TOS, As available here [osdn.com] :

OSDN is a website owned and operated by VA Software Corporation, for the purpose of fostering software development and content creation under Open-Source Initiative ("OSI")-approved licenses or other arrangements relating to software and/or content development that may be approved by OSDN (the "Purpose")

...yet OSDN enterprise solutions are not under "OSI-approved licenses", thus do precisely the opposite of the suggested purpose of OSDN.

If required by the site in question, each user must: (a) provide true, accurate, current and complete information on the Service's registration form (collectively, the "Registration Data") and (b) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data as necessary. If, after investigation, we have reasonable grounds to suspect that any user's information is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, we may suspend or terminate that user's account and prohibit any and all current or future use of the Services (or any portion thereof) by that user other than as expressly provided herein.

That's right. A condition of service is that you must provide correct personal data on request, regardless of whether it is clearly necessary to go about your business or not. Some privacy there, eh?

OSDN, in its sole and absolute discretion, may preserve Content and may also disclose Content if required to do so by law or judicial or governmental mandate or as reasonably determined necessary by us to protect the rights, property or personal safety of OSDN, its users and the public.

That's right, OSDN may disclose information arbitrarily not only if required to do so by law, but also to "protect the... property... of OSDN". That is to say, to protect its profits. How many times have a company done that before?

With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as message boards and bug trackers ("OSDN Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such OSDN Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display project activity, such content is owned by OSDN. In each such case, the submitting user grants OSDN the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable Open Source Initiative-approved license.

Is that clear? Any licence in which rights to any of the above are specifically granted, are implicitly granted to VA Software.

OSDN reserves the right to mark as "inactive" and archive accounts and/or projects that are inactive for an extended period of time.

Similar to the MSN Hotmail arbitrary account cancellation, woe betide anyone whose definition of "extended" is longer than OSDNs!

Now, let's look at the Privacy Policy [osdn.com] :

User names and email addresses (as well as any additional information that a user may choose to post) are publicly available on the OSDN site, unless a user elects to "opt-out" of such display of personal information.

Let's make that absolutely clear. Your e-mail address is publically available unless you opt out. That's right. Like Yahoo, you have to explicitly opt out -- not opt in. And it's not just available to selected "marketing partners", but everyone.

Profile Display: In some cases, users' personal information may be publicly available through a user's profile display. In such cases, users have the option to opt out of publicly displaying their real names.

So, the "opt out" rule isn't limited to e-mail addresses. This is actually very significant -- see the quote below.

At no time, unless such disclosure is required by law or a user specifically authorizes such disclosure, will OSDN disclose individual user personal information that is not publicly available to unrelated third parties.

Since so many names and addresses are available "to unrelated third parties" (i.e. if people have not opted out), this clause specifically allows such information to be distributed to specific third parties (such as bulk mail distributors).

Ok, that's all for now. More to come soon, if I have the time.

News flash (5, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420650)

Cupertino CA - Jef Raskin, Andy Hertzfeld, and Bill Atkinson, members of the original Macintosh team committed mass seppuku today on DeAnza Blvd. When asked why, they replied "we'd read this article on slashdot about stuffing a PeeCee into a classic Mac, and we thought someone must be rolling over in their grave. But then we remebered we're not dead yet, so we had to push the project along..."

news for turds shit that splatters (-1)

Yr0 (224662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420722)

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In the course of our work we discovered this fecal matter, which resulted from grossly over used toilets, which were executed for the Gnu is Not Unix Corporation (GNU) by a consortium of several Foreign Companies like




Amounting to the tune of 100 tons of Fecal matter but was over invoiced to 150 tons of Feces. And we deliberately approved these fecal deposits and all Lunix users have been paid with these penguins executed and since abused, leaving the large amount of Eric S Raymonds maginificent deposit floating in the escrow pool of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) ready to be paid for the sexual services from the products in item number 2 as stated above. Before digressing further I would want you to know that our GNU General Public License forbids us from owning any money or having heretosexual relationships whilst in GNU service hence we are contacting you to be part of this transaction.

We intend to use your anus as a front to get the over invoiced amount of 50 tons of feces out of the BSD Sewers to a designated toilet by you. Not regarding your field of specialization (sphincter expansion) you are going to forward us with any name that we will claim executed the sewaging services in the turn around maintenance of the Penguin fecal abuse farms mentioned above. All logistics are in place and all modalities worked out for the smooth insertion of the feces within ten to fourteen days of commencement after the receipt of a semen deposit from you. You are going to get 25% of the feces by posing as the owner of this feces while my colleagues and I will get 70% to ourselves with which we wish to invest in Agriculture and Farming in conjunction with you and 5% will be set aside for the use of both parties for all excretions incurred locally and internationally during the realisation of this transaction, including toilet paper, as a matter of fact you are expected to take a sincere inventory of your toilet paper.

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Re:news for turds shit that splatters (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420787)

This would be so much better if it WASN'T SO FUCKING STUPID!

MP3 Jukebox (1)

jezreel (261337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420651)

This case sounds (or better looks) like fun.

But isn't there some solution to set up your vast song database on your main server in another room and tell 'em to server your AUX-input of your normal Hifi Equip. by a (obviosly non IR) remote controller?

Anyone any experience?

Re:MP3 Jukebox (1)

Neutron Zenith (469745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420819)

I recently picked up one of these [x10.com] for that very purpose. It comes with a RF remote and a 2.4GHz audio/video sender/receiver. So far it's working out ok, though it still needs some tweaking to avoid interference.

I'll take an iHam and iRye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420970)

No puzzle. Find an old iBook and break it out of the case. Duct tape the LCD to the outside the Mac Classic case and re-gut the pc/mac with your iBook mothaboard. Big plus: if you use 3" wide tape your server will look like a PC but have Mac guts >remember bigger numbers are better, don't use 2" tape on your diguised Mac or you will be undonenote: observe proper environmental protocols when dumping the PCs

The guy (2)

SomeOtherGuy (179082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420652)

never said why he wanted to replace his laptop with the Mac...errrr...pc. I think a laptop works just fine for taking up little space and serving mp3's. (Plus you can save your wire and duct tape for other uses.)

angelfire??? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420658)


To be drunk or not to be (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420671)

I am hungry and would like to get drunk tonight. Should I go out and buy a twelve-pack of beer or a pizza?

I can't have both because if I eat before I start drinking even the twelve-pack won't get me drunk. On the other hand, if I start drinking without eating first, I get so hungry that I can't go on drinking anymore. Then, however, I cannot go out and get pizza because the pizza guy will give me shit about my being drunk.

Why must life be so full of these difficult decisions?!

Moderators on crack! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420686)

How is the previous post redundant? I don't see this problem being discussed anywhere else.

Re:Moderators on crack! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420794)

I agree- how the fuck is this redundant?

Build your own beowulf cluster for cheap! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420659)

Single node:

CPU 166 AMD Athlon Mobile 1000MHz
Motherboard 156 Aopen AK77 Plus A
Memory 96 Kingmax 256MB DDR PC266/PC300
Hard drive 80 Samsung V40 20GB ULTRA ATA/100
Floppy 12.5 Samsung/Nec 3.5" 1.44MB
Network 46 3Com Fast Etherlink XL 3C905C-TX
Cooler 68 Thermalright AX-7 + PAPST 8412NGL
Power 30 Codegen 350W ATX 2.03 (P4)

Switch 189 D-Link DES-1016 SOHO 16x10/100

TOTAL (6 nodes + switch) 4116 euros (multiply by 0.89 for US dollars)

You don't need any casing. Attach all node components to a metal plate and stuff all six of them into a closet.

Re:Build your own beowulf cluster for cheap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420679)

Why on earth would you use mobile Athlons? For the same price you would get much more powerful ordinary Athlon XPs. Furthermore, are you sure that standard motherboards like the Aopen AK77 will even support mobile Athlons?

Re:Build your own beowulf cluster for cheap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420800)

Why would you use inferior products from Intel or AMD. Jeesh, at least go with a PPC or Sparc. Oh, you're one of those "bigger numbers MUST be better" people.

Can anyone tell me at what exact point the brainwashed overtook /.?

Re:Build your own beowulf cluster for cheap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420863)

a) It is easier to find Intel or AMD stuff. I ran a search on Google and wasn't able to find a shop that would sell PPC CPUs and motherboards. Sparc is even worse in this aspect.

b) Can you use ordinary PCI cards in PPC and Sparc systems. I know that a SCSI controller for Sparc costs you at least 10 times more than a corresponding PC card.

c) What is the power/price ratio for PPC and Sparc? I bet the PPC and Sparc will lose this one too.

Faster...Stronger...Better... (2, Interesting)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420665)

"Finding a cheap 9" monitor would be a nice trick, too."

Isn't there enough room around the edges to bolt a 10" LCD panel in, then just configure to use the visible part?

Re:Faster...Stronger...Better... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420920)

Welcome back, SEWilco. How did the stomach stapling work out?

Cheap 9" monitors (5, Informative)

Consul (119169) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420666)

You don't really need to go out of your way to find a 9" PC monitor. There's a place called Earth LCD [earthlcd.com] that has loads of surplus and overstock LCDs available, including touch screens. Some surfing around will come up with a good 8.5-9" color LCD with a VGA input.

Re:Cheap 9" monitors (2)

rhizome (115711) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420799)

They aren't the best resolution, but IBM made (makes?) tons of 9" VGA's for POS systems. They aren't hard to find.

Re:Cheap 9" monitors (3, Funny)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420939)

IBM made (makes?) tons of 9" VGA's for POS systems.

Well then. These would be perfect for this project.

Re:Cheap 9" monitors (-1)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420976)

i think the original poster meant Point Of Sale, not what you thought ....

9" monitor? No thanks. (2, Funny)

forged (206127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420667)

Next: can someone hide a pc into this Apple Cinema HD Display [apple.com] please.

/me wants one :)

Re:9" monitor? No thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421011)

Why? They've already gotten a G5 into one.



I shudder.. (1)

mlati (462475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420680)

.. how the guy got through it without getting any nasty shocks from the monitor HV, not sure about the cat though.

I knew I had seen this before... (5, Informative)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420688)

I saw another one of these a couple days ago, don't remember where I got the link, but I think this one [beanos.com] is much nicer, with an lcd screen and all. I think he is using the mac mouse and keyboard too... (not sure)

Re:I knew I had seen this before... (1)

leibnizme (264472) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420750)

Regrettably, he is using a PC keyboard and mouse. Here's the rationale:

"I did not hack the original keyboard or mouse to work with my computer. The main reason is because i don't actually have either one. It should not be too hard theoretically to create a PS2 compatible keyboard using the stock parts to work with this computer."

At any rate, it's a cool hack.

Re:I knew I had seen this before... (2)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421134)

Too bad his monitor cutout is offcenter to the right. Very ugly. Otherwise, kinda cool, I might try it some day.

Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (5, Insightful)

JohnBE (411964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420696)

This is insane. There are far more interesting things to do with old computers, I read recently that someone built an Amiga laptop. Which is odd because Amiga never built anything other than desktops and they were converting the A600 consumer model. OK, obscure example. But...

Why not try something similarly imaginitive with old Macs? It would be interesting to see what a machine code programmer and some control outputs could do. Certainly automate a bedroom at least. Replacing it with a PC is dull and an old Mac is far cheaper than a 68000 based embedded development board and better documented than a lot of embedded developement boards. Re-program, skew, take out of context but don't ditch the heart and soul of the machine.

If you want a wacky case take up shop lessons and learn to work metal, don't destroy the past (with some effort and time spent).

Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (5, Funny)

cetan (61150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420768)

Why would you want to stop with just a chicken in a turkey? If you put a chicken inside a duck first, it tastes a lot better:

Turducken [thesalmons.org] to the rescue.

Yes, I've had one and yes, they do taste great.

Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (2, Interesting)

JohnBE (411964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420853)

Lol. I wouldn't mind trying it though.

Another historical excess. King Henry VIII was keen on things like that, probably tasted of borage or whatever other herbs they used at the time.

There were Indian recipes like this too; a few centuries ago a dish was cooked up for the Indian royals. It composed of an ox stuffed with a goat, stuffed with a hare or rabbit stuffed with a peahen, stuffed with a quail which was finally stuffed with a finch. Each animal was de-boned in one piece, then marinaded in a different spice sauce and then roasted. To serve it was sliced crossways.

Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420851)

There are several Amiga DIY designs on Amiga Interactive Guide [emugaming.com] . You are probably thinking of the Suzanne - a custom designed A600 laptop fitted with a 68020 accelerator. There are also stories of one of the original Amiga team fitting an Amiga (A2000 I think) into an SX64 case.

Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (1)

JohnBE (411964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420861)

Thanks I was trying to remember the name. I did think of Suzanne but discounted it as silly, for some reason I couldn't get the name Denise out of my head, but I remember that Denise was the name of on of the ECS chipsets IIRC.

Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421562)

Agnes, Denise, and Paula. One of the first integrated multimedia chipsets in the world, and if some of the features I've heard of are true (especially the part about multiple resolutions on the same screen, which may be a slightly garbled memory).

I wonder what that kind of technology would be like now...


Re:Why not stuff a chicken with a turkey. (1)

JohnBE (411964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421669)

It'd probably wipe out the need for Direct X and other hardware abstraction libraries. Apart from that who knows? Chromatic Lab's had an all in one chipset for the PC called the MPACT chipsed but unfortunately they bombed. The MPACT II was particularly interesting, it had its own bytecode and could be re-programmed for lots of different functions. The present owners won't release any of the programming details for copyright reasons, which is a bummer because X etc. has to be run using the Framebuffer driver and the Windows drivers are very old.

Mirror (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420701)

Here is a mirror. [yimg.com]

Re:Mirror (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420843)

Here is my ass []

Re:Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421262)

Your ass is a DNS server?

Alternate Choices (4, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420713)

I would have thought that an old LCD panel or something would have been more usable in the case vs a nine inch monitor, which is a very rare bird indeed.

quick search on google only finds 9 inch monitors in monochrome, and ten inch color. He uses a ViewMagic [google.com] , which currently only shows a 10" color available as new product.

odd fish indeed.

I could use one of those in my office... (3, Funny)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420715)

...To fool the Mac Zealots club into thinking I had defected to the dark side or something...

"Ah HA! Is that a Mac I see on your Desk!? FINALLY saw the light, did you?"

"Oh, yes indeed I did, now go away while I play some Dungeon Siege on it".

Re:I could use one of those in my office... (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420805)

Small problem with your hypothesis- Mac folk are way smarter than anyone using Windows.
(If you are using something else, I apologize)

Re:I could use one of those in my office... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421041)

Yeah, that explains your grammatical erros, Mac loser.

Re:I could use one of those in my office... (0)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421048)

That, and we can smell poseurs from a mile away.
I personally own a dead Mac Plus, I'd love to get it up and running the earlier Mac OS's, but, hell, if I get a PC mobo, I'd much rather run BSD on it.

Angelfire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420725)

Sadly, Angelfire has killed the mirror.
Anybody have a good mirror?

How About A Power Mac Tower? (2)

waldoj (8229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420733)

What I would really like is a PC inside of a Power Mac case [apple.com] . Starting with the G3 Yosemites, Apple's cases got incredibly sexy. I'd been laboring under the impression that cases of the same quality as the Power Mac could be purchased, but after I dropped $100 on my first PC case a couple of months ago, I've learned that even some of the nicer ones are for shit compared to Apple's near-perfect Power Mac case.

Has anybody managed to convert a PowerMac case into a case accepting any standard-sized PC motherboard and related internal parts? This PC inside of an LC is kind of neat, but what we all really want is a Power Mac case. :)

-Waldo Jaquith

Re:How About A Power Mac Tower? (3, Informative)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420797)

If you can pick out the meat of the article through the errors, here's how one guy did it [slcentral.com] .


Re:How About A Power Mac Tower? (0, Troll)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420811)

Yeah, I did this. Grab an old Blue & White case, rip out the internals, and crap into the case for about a week or so. You know have the equivalent of a PC in a Mac case.

(I feel so free knowing I can hit the karma cap at any time nowadays- guilt free flaming!)

Re:How About A Power Mac Tower? (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421245)

My personal fave was the G3 Gas Can [apple.com] mod. If only he'd painted the CD bezel red...

Hmmm (2)

jlower (174474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420743)

I am planning to do something like this to one of the original iMacs. I just happen to have one that was never used but missing the logic board, CD and hard drives.

I expect it'll be a much, much easier mod than a classic Mac conversion, but it'll also be more useful when I'm done.

Don't destroy a WORKING mac (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420754)

Great mod for those who want to create something unusual, but if you are attempting such a project please try to find a non-working classic Mac first.

There are probably a few to be found on eBay, but there are many Mac users (like myself) who love collecting classic Macs. They are getting harder and harder to find, and the prices keep increasing, so please check around first for one that no longer works. It'd be a shame destroying a piece of history.

Re:Don't destroy a WORKING mac (1)

Zzootnik (179922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421730)

Find a University.
The University will generally have a Mac lab.
The University will also probably have a surplus store.

The one near where I live has Pallets and pallets of them that nobody wants...they're probably destined for the landfill...quite a shame about that...

The ULTIMATE... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3420782)

example of style over substance. Although, in typical PC fashion, they used a beige-colored case!
Wouldn't it be more fun with a grape colored iMac???

Perfect for MacOS X on Intel (1)

bygimis (576467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420873)

Wow - a setup like this will be perfect for when Apple brings out MacOS X on Intel!

[just after hell freezes over and Microsoft GPL Windows]

Re:Perfect for MacOS X on Intel (1)

svejoh (551683) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420958)

OS X for Intel? Why? If you want to run OS X on a classic Mac, check out: http://www.nextro.com/nextro/english/i30.html [nextro.com]
These guys equips SE/30:s with G3-processors ;-)

We don't need no stinkin' x86-cpu ...

G4 Tower case (2)

nakhla (68363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420881)

You know, I'm still looking for a place that sells a PC case that looks similar to the PowerMac G4 tower case. You know, the translucent one. I especially like the flip-down side that lets you upgrade stuff. I know there's a site that explains how to squeeze a PC into a mac case, but I'm looking for one DESIGNED for a PC. :)

Re:G4 Tower case (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421648)

CompUSA sells one that works like a Mac case but looks like an HP. It's made by FMI (I have no idea who that is). I've thought of buying one, but I'm ambivalent about the quality.

Go to compusa.com and look for FMI 300-watt screwless. It's about $60 online.


Stupid Macintosh Tricks (2)

mcc (14761) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420893)

(I still like the old trick where someone took a Power Macintosh 7500, took out all the parts, and stuck them in a hollowed out apple //gs case.. just so that people would wander in his house, see him turn on the //gs, and go, hey, wait a minute .. unfortunately, i have lost the link. blah.)

ANyway, though: what i would be very interested to see is this: There was a product available for the very early macintoshes-- the classic nine-inch one-piece ones that the current discussion is about-- that looked WIERD but was really just about the ultimate case mod.

Here is a link to a picture taken out of the Macintosh Bible edition i originally heard of this thing in.. just look at it. [io.com] It was called the MacChimney, or something, and as the name suggests it was basically a chimney for your macintosh. You'd go in with some tools and install this thing, and your macintosh would suddenly be about twice as tall and have this cone-like thing sticking off the top with a big stovepipe at the top.

The advantage to this was, the product had been designed in such a way that between the chinmey and the way it affected the air circulation inside the case, once the chimney was installed you no longer needed a fan. At all. So you'd remove the fan and get a literally totally silently-running macintosh.

So, basically, since we are talking about putting a PC inside of a classic macintosh, my question is this:
  • Were you to somehow locate one of the classic macintoshes with the antique macchimney thing, would it be possible to use safely it with modern pc technology, or is that darn pentium IV just too darn blazing hot?
  • What about with the slightly cooler-running modern mac hardware? What about a laptop?
  • If not the macchimney, is such convection-current-cooling technology still possible?

MacChimney (2)

RAVasquez (318309) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421206)

I remember the MacChimney. Actually, it was used because the original Macs up to the Mac Plus never had a fan at all. They were intended to be cooled by convection, but because the original Macs had a notoriously unstable power supply, people resorted to odd measures to keep cool.

Re:MacChimney (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3421364)

Apple had a repair program out for overheating Mac Plus models, so in most cases the fan wasn't necessary. There was a way to cram a hard drive into a Plus case, so some folks might have needed it.

The "MacChimney" was mostly a big joke.

smuniverse?? (2)

joib (70841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420906)

I mean, what kind of guy calls his personal site smuniverse? Sounds like some black-leather-and-lots-of-pain pr0n site...

just a question.. (0)

Cenam (567580) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420910)

..why would you want people to think that you actually own a mac???

Re:just a question.. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420945)

Cause unlike some, I actually like computers?

Well, that was stupid. (4, Insightful)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420915)

/. authors should know better than to never link to anything on Angelfire. 10 people hit the site and drove the poor guy over his daily bandwidth limit.

It's a useless mirror now...

Workgroup Server (2)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3420916)

The site is slashdotted so I can't get the specs on the hardware, but I bet you could make a pretty nice Linux Workgroup server out of one, and it'd be cuter than the Sun Cobalt Qube [cobalt.com] or even the Green Computer PowerElf [greencomputer.com] . And you would have a display/keyboard/mouse locally at the machine. Sounds cool to me.


How about putting a Mac into a Classic Mac? (2)

KFury (19522) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421288)

Wired had this great story about compact macs in Japan which, among other things, showed a G3 powerbook's innards ported to a Mac 128K enclosure, running OS X [wired.com] on the original 9" b/w 512.384 screen.

Don't rip apart that classic Mac... (1)

FlorentinePogen (536380) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421291)

Just get an old Macintosh SE/30, upgrade the RAM and the hard drive and install m68klinux or NetBSD (of course it runs NetBSD!). I did and I'm currently running a webserver on it (well, at least until the end of the semester) here [dhs.org] . Yeah, it's slow. But nothing beats running X on a 512x384 black and white screen.

Sadly... (1)

phebz23 (156640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421582)

...the mirror at angelfire sucks ass and smuniverse is fine.

MP3 Server? Pfah (1)

Loligo (12021) | more than 12 years ago | (#3421658)

Something like this would make a great semi-portable for gaming with friends. Put a decently quick system in it with a decent video card, and make fun of your friends that have their tricked out cases with handles on 'em. You can get your system to a friend's place with less weight AND have the monitor built in.

Still not as portable as a laptop, but a hell of a lot better than a tower case and a 17" monitor for LAN parties and the like.


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