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The Ultimate Phone/PDA?

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the hardware-to-lust-after dept.

Handhelds 186

P800guy writes "Psion Place has a review of the SonyEricsson P800 available in Q3, this looks to be the best PDA/phone combined in the world. Running Symbian OS v7.0, 208x320 color touchscreen, triple-band GSM compatible, Multimedia Messaging (MMS), Bluetooth, GPRS always-on internet connection, built-in digital camera, support for HTML, xHTML, Java, iMode, WAP, Word, Excel, PPT. Check out the pictures, open, closed. In the US it'll work on Voicestream, ATT Wireless, and Cingular just don't expect it to be offically supported from day 1 of release." Getting closer- now if it just had a few gigs of memory for MP3s ;)

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186 comments

I need a new PDA. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424313)

My Newton is showing its age...

Newtons dont age! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424441)

Viva la Newton!

All this but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424315)

Where is the instant "Call Ms. Cleo" button?

ultimate phone (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424316)

The upside is it can do all those things - the downside is its very expensive!

How much is it anyway? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424425)

where did you find the price?

Re:How much is it anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424613)

where did you find the price

56ker has a psychic ability to predict whether a product will be cheap or expensive before the price is disclosed.

Re:How much is it anyway? (0)

mobets (101759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424690)

There is probobly a reason the price is not shown.
If you have to ask...

... you can't aford it.

Symbian OS (5, Informative)

AirLace (86148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424318)

I was on the beta testing team of the next-generation Nokia Communicator which also uses Symbian OS v7.0. It was pretty snappy and responsive and the hardware is sleek, but I was less than impressed by the 'office software' capabilities: In their attempt to support proprietary Microsoft formats they've neglected to offer export filters for open file formats. For example, the word processor can only export Microsoft .DOC, not .RTF or even .TXT. Similarly, the spreadsheet can only export .XLS and not CSV or tab-separated data. This is a step backwards, IMO, but sadly I doubt that few mainstream users will complain. It's just a bit ironic that even the office software counterparts in Microsoft Windows CE offer file filters for 'open standard' formats -- why can't Symbian?

Re:Symbian OS (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424428)

Licensees usually use 3rd party conversion-software on their devices - I can't remember off the top of my head what Nokia and Ericsson do, but I think that's the case. If so, you should complain to Nokia - and your point is not valid for the P800.


(Mod me down as uninformative, I didn't bother to find the press-release about what conversion-software the P800 would use ;)

Re:Symbian OS (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424459)

These [symbian.com] seem to be for viewing only, but supports a lot of formats and will be used on the P800.

Re:Symbian OS (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424454)

Yes but wouldn't supporting more file formats have made the price higher?

Symbian OS: glorious past, uncertain future (1)

hellgate (85557) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424464)

I bought the first EPOC (what later became EPOC32 and Symbian OS) device in early 93: a Psion Series 3. It was incredible. A PDA with a (modest) programming language built in. The Newton came only later that year, not to mention Palm or WinCE.

Since around the time WinCE was launched things went downhill. EPOC32 tried to become the better Windows. Unnecessary features cluttered the screen and hampered usability. New machines with faster processors were noticably slower than older models (seems that even faster CPUs took care of that). I ended up switching to a Palm, which offered less than even early Psion models, but made it simple to get simple stuff done. And of the proprietary PDA platforms, Palm seems to cater best to people who don't use the Windows/MSOffice combo.

Symbian could have been cool, but the only apparent advantage over WinCE/PocketPC is that it's not made by Microsoft. A dubious advantage in the market place, as consumers don't care at best.

Re:Symbian OS: glorious past, uncertain future (2, Insightful)

Troed (102527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424473)

Note: I started as an Epoc programmer for Ericsson Mobile in -98, worked for Symbian for two years between -99 and -01, and I'm currently an Epoc (Symbian OS) Software development consultant for BlueLabs [bluelabs.se] - my views are maybe a bit biased ;)


The advantage of Symbian OS over PalmOS is that it's a real OS ;) The advantage over PocketPC is that the programming model (Symbian uses their own version of C++ you could say) aids a lot in preventing memory leaks.


There's of course a lot more to say than this, but Symbian OS is a really good OS you definitely want instead of PocketPC or PalmOS :) Promise. It's a pain to program for - it takes a while to get into.

Re:Symbian OS: glorious past, uncertain future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424818)

Yes, but you arn't comparing with the new/upcoming? PalmOS? It's supposed to be more of an OS.

I don't think I want Symbian. (2)

SamIIs (65268) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424729)

I don't think I want my PDA to run Symbian. Am I wrong?

I've always found that the most useful part of my PDA was software support. With PalmOS, I get Vindigo, which is one of the most impressive parts of my Pilot. I get AvantGo for stationary web stuff (I guess that's void with net-access pda) and I get a few closed-source medical databases of meds and prescription data. (I'm a MD.) I think all 3 of these are closed to other operating systems.

It seems like I'll lose all this when I switch to a different OS? Am I wrong? Has anybody had a great experience with an OS besides Palm?

Sam

Re:I don't think I want Symbian. (1)

ryanflynn (409718) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424890)

I don't think I want my PDA to run Symbian. Am I wrong?

Yes.

Remember kids ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424320)

... if it says "Barkley's" on the box, keep away.

(Barkley's Lounge is an opportunistic shit hole)

Saw it in Action (5, Interesting)

Teut (534090) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424322)

On GDC (Game Developers Conference) I saw this thing demonstrated and had time to play with it.

Its small, smaller than the image suggests. Its fast, screen is awesome. The biggest worry "running time on one battery charge" couldn't be answered, the guys said the hardware wasn't final they had.
Also the flip cover with the keys simply presses the touchscreen below it. Advantage: saves hardware, disadvantage: flimsy plastic look on the back and the display has to be fully powered all the time.

They showed Lord of the Rings as MPG on it and demonstrated some PC-Phone connection stuff which looked pretty polished.

This is a phone for me, can't wait :)

Re:Saw it in Action (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424362)

Hit your head with it and repeat "it's not a phone, it's a pda" hundred times. You'll figure it out soon enough.

LIKE BUKKAKE? DIRTY BIRD TRY MISO CHICKEN INSTEAD! (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424375)

Grilled Miso Chicken

Preparation/cooking time: 1 1/2 hours
Servings: 4

Miso marinade adds a rich flavor to this country-style grilled chicken. Thigh meat stays moist and tender, but boned chicken breasts are delicious, too. The chicken can be sautéed in a skillet.

Ingredients:
2 tablespoons light soy sauce (usukuchi shoyu)
2 tablespoons saké
2 tablespoons mirin
2 tablespoons light miso
2 green onions, crushed and slivered
1 teaspoon minced ginger root
1 garlic clove, minced
8 boned chicken thighs, skin intact
1 tablespoon seven-spice powder (optional)

Directions:

Blend soy sauce, saké, mirin, miso, green onions, ginger root and garlic in a rectangular baking dish. Coat chicken with mixture. Marinate 1 hour or refrigerate overnight, turning several times.
Preheat a hibichi, portable tabletop grill or charcoal grill. Shake marinade off chicken; pat dry. Place skin-down on hot grill. Grill 4 to 5 minutes. Turn chicken; grill second side 4 to 5 minutes or until golden brown and done inside. When chicken is done, sprinkle with sesame seeds and spice mixture.

Apple Pie (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424403)

Ingredients:
8 large tart green apples
40 grams / 1½ oz of butter
½ cup of castor sugar
1 cup of water
1 cinnamon stick or ½ a teaspoon of ground cinnamon
4 whole cloves or a pinch of ground cloves
2 large strips of the rind of ½ a lemon (zest)
1 teaspoon of cornflour

Directions:
Peel the apples and cut each apple into quarters. Remove the core and dice each quarter. In a large saucepan melt the butter over a medium low heat, add the sugar, water, lemon rind, cinnamon and cloves and combine. Throw the apples away, we don't need them. Cover and sweat for 5 to 10 minutes. Remove from the heat. Discard the lemon rind, cinnamon stick and cloves. Drain most of the excess liquid off and mix in the cornflour. Set aside to cool.

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Wow (1)

MrSloth (544065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424324)

Not that I have a cell phone, a PDA, an MP3 player, a laptop, or anything else portable. Except for my really spiffy digital watch. But this thing is amazing!

Now all i need is one that costs less than twenty bucks.

Re:Wow (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424368)

A night with me costs less than twenty bucks. You wont see my face for hours. You must provide the lube though.

MSRP? (1)

n2dasun (467303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424325)

How much is this thing gonna cost? Also, how wide and thick is it? I almost bought the Kyocera QCP 6035(I'm a sprint customer right now.) before, but I dont think I could stand a phone that bulky. There must be more specs posted somewhere.

Re:MSRP? (1)

n2dasun (467303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424386)

I still cant find specs, but it doesn't look to be too big here [telefonino.net] , depending on how huge the hand is in that's holding it. Seems like a great phone, though. I wish we had one for sprint pcs here in the US.

Re:MSRP? (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424480)

It's about the same size as the Ericsson T68 and SonyEricsson T68i - just add a centimeter to the height.

Nice (1)

pommaq (527441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424330)

Cool phone, but I wonder how long it'll take for that little screen to be covered in ear wax. I want it to plug seamlessly into the brain instead!

im confused (1)

Jukashi (240273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424334)

where does the keypad go once its open? he pictures look like it just get taken off entirely :(

Re:im confused (2, Informative)

Tha_Zanthrax (521419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424432)

it gets taken of entirely.

the keypad is just a piece of plastic in which the button are placed. when a button is pressed it just pushes the touchscreen.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/3Dphones/p800/p800.h tm l
to see a demo

Third Party Phones (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424335)

Of course, this still means you hav to by an ATT phone if you want to use a GSM compatible setup.

Many companies will not permit you to use a third party phone on their service.

Re:Third Party Phones (2, Interesting)

bihoy (100694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424588)

Yeah, I was reading about this in the paper a few days ago. Implementation of both cell phone and phone number portability have be dragged out for years by mobile phone companies. Apparently the companies want to minimize churn by holding their customers hostage. They seem to have focused more on this technique as opposed to improving service.

Re:Third Party Phones (2, Informative)

dgp (11045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424839)

GSM is all about interoperability. Perhaps you are describing the fact that a cell phone company can 'lock' a phone to their service, so you cannot get a cheap phone on a service plan and then sell it to someone else on another network. Otherwise any GSM phone should work on any GSM network. Voicestream has long ignored the Ericsson t39 and t68 - yet when I bought a 'unlocked' t39 off of ebay, I inserted my SIM card from my old phone and the t39 worked immeadiately.

Voicestream supports "alien" phones... (1)

hirschma (187820) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424842)

Or at least they did; I used non-Voicestream hardware on their system about two years ago. They may have become more restrictive since then.

Another ad? (1)

grinwell (138078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424346)

Geez, with all the product placement, slashdot could double as a Britney Spears movie.

Yes, it's sort of a neat phone, but there are a *lot* of neat phones coming down the pipe. I hope they don't all merit a Slashdot commercial.

Here's a link to a Samsung Camera [samsung.com] with a digital camera too. The camera even sounds nicer than the Ericsson.

Sorry for being such a wet blanket, but I just don't see a whole lot remarkable about this topic.

It's Slashdot, what do you expect? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424435)

yup. Slashdot bites.

Ericsson + Windows (2, Interesting)

tka (548076) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424348)

What ever happened to the 'ericsson adding windows to their phones' project? I guess they realized that symbian is pretty good (altough nothing can beat linux...).

I think that many mobile phones can be thought as somekind of pre-PDA thing. You can check email with them, use calendar etc. Do we really need very colourfull screen on PDA's & mobile phones because it uses lot of battery? For some people it's a good thing but, I wouldn't actually really want it now.

Just waiting for a new release of nokia communicator.. (it'll rock)

Re:Ericsson + Windows (2)

Psiren (6145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424408)

altough nothing can beat linux...

Care to expand on that little nugget? I fail to see why Linux has any advantage over Symbian in this context. In fact, I fail to see how Linux even comes close.

Re:Ericsson + Windows (1)

skojt (129689) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424414)

The partnership with Microsoft didn't work out (gee, what a surprise!) so they split up.

Re:Ericsson + Windows (3, Funny)

joib (70841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424436)

You mean this [www.hut.fi] one?

Re:Ericsson + Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424500)

Actually, your sig originated from Alfred Lord Tennyson's "Ulysses" -- just to keep you off the bottom of the literary bell curve. ;)

Obligatory question (1, Funny)

mparaz (31980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424350)

Can it run Linux?

Re:Obligatory question (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424379)

Can I ride your mom?

Re:Obligatory question (1, Redundant)

ozbon (99708) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424411)

And the other obligatory question/statement :

I'd like to see a Beowulf cluster of these...

Re:Obligatory question (0)

mobets (101759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424702)

Don't forget the hot grits. You must have hot grits.

Another Review (5, Informative)

margaret (79092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424359)

The register has another review [theregus.com] that's a little more in-depth...

screw it (-1, Offtopic)

chicks_dig_it (545361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424360)

its a cool gadget and all but i dont need one,

what i really need is a giant killer attack robot to do my evil bidding!

Re:screw it (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424377)

Sure, everyone wants a giant killer attack robot to do evil tasks... but have you ever had to pay the liability insurance on one of those things?

Legally, in 19 states you are *required* to carry liability on giant killer attack robots, so it's not like you can ignore it. I'm not sure if this applies to the small and large classes of attack robots or not.

And don't even get me started on the attack robot taxes...

Re:screw it (0)

chicks_dig_it (545361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424402)

ah yes but im in australia, much smaller, ill just hold the entire country to ransom,

they charge me taxes ill just vaporise the prime minister.

actually then id be doing a nation a service and be hailed as a national hero.

hmm i want to cause chaos any suggestions?

- matt w

just imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424371)

a beowu-*whack* *whack*

Hey! You broka my freakin phone, Ima gonna breaka every bona in ya body.

heh (-1, Redundant)

chicks_dig_it (545361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424372)

imagine a beowulf cluster of them

heh heh heh mod away suckas...

matt w
(the chicks really do dig it...)

Let's see.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424381)

I want to see what Nokia will come up with. But if I see one of those stamp-sized screens I'm gonna scream in terror.

Re:Let's see.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424438)

funny. cute girls riding the bus seem to scream when they see the tiny screen too.

Needs a better keyboard (3, Interesting)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424385)

The new zaurus keyboard on their latest is, imo, much more useful. I realize this is a 'phone' with PDA capabilities second, but it seems that these things are converging more quickly and if someone would keep all capabilities equal (PDA v phone v whatever else) the ultimate handheld device would be the outcome.

Re:Needs a better keyboard (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424445)

The Kyocera Smartphone is a pretty good phone/PDA combo. It's an 8MB Palm (v3.5.3) with a tri-mode phone. $99. I bought one last week and love it. I wish the internet service was always-on (rather than dialing up a PPP server), but that's not a biggie. I can use the thing as a wireless fax or modem out of my regular allotment of airtime.

Re:Needs a better keyboard (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424775)

That's actually what I have, except I paid over $200 at the time I got it. I actually saw it for $108 at circuit city, with a $100 rebate (total = $8 !!!).

It's still intended as a phone with PDA stuff in it, and the zaurus is a PDA, with potentially a phone add-on (not sure, but I know it doesn't come with one).

Nokia 9210 (2, Informative)

jsse (254124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424390)

If you want a phone with PDA function, Sony P800 is definitely your cup of tea. However, if you want a PDA with phone function, I think Nokia 9210i [nokia.com] will suit you.

Re:Nokia 9210 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424444)

...but the 9210 is not (and will not be) available in the US.

It also does not support GPRS.

Whatever man... the 800 looks better.

picture of camera (2, Informative)

kipsate (314423) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424413)

A picture of the camera [pdastreet.com] on the back.

Re:picture of camera (1)

kipsate (314423) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424434)

Oops, ignore... this link already exists in the message submission.

Re:picture of camera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424452)

Won't the lense get messed up from sticking in your pocket etc...?

Subscription Model EXPOSED! READ ALL ABOUT IT (-1, Offtopic)

ElCagado (575762) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424416)

isn't it ironic? don't ya think?

Found Here: [weblogger.com]

"Today beej and I went back to Linux World Expo to hear Rob Malda, founder of slashdot.org, speak at the OSDN booth. I felt kinda bad for him because nobody had any real questions for him. I made some up on the spot. Is running slashdot worth the personal attacks? Have you thought about a subscription model? Those were my only two good ones. "

oy (2, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424437)

I dont' understand the people who design this stuff. We have the technology, we just don't use it properly. I want a cell-phone sized device that is also a PDA, mp3 player, and digital camera. take a cell phone, replace the numbered buttons with a GameBoyAdvance style LCD screen. Use an IBM microdrive. Companies keep making all of these things seperately very well, but they can't seem to combine them correctly. I'm not going to buy one until they have what I want.

Re:oy (1)

broller (74249) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424451)

replace the numbered buttons with a GameBoyAdvance style LCD screen

Do you mean make it with touchscreen buttons for dialing? That will displease a lot of people who prefer to touch-dial instead of looking at the screen.

Of course you can't please everyone, which is why we have so many totally different devices now.

WTF are you talking about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424463)

Isn't that what this article is about?

The 800 does all of that. It is a PDA, it is a MP3 player, it is a digital camera, it has a touchscreen..

??

Re:oy (2)

FFFish (7567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424672)

Basically, a Psion NetBook, with voice call capabilities. Gahd, how I'd spooge over something like that.

Real nice demonstration. (1)

Tha_Zanthrax (521419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424439)

http://www.sonyericsson.com/3Dphones/p800/p800.htm l [sonyericsson.com] shows very nicely how this thing works. I couldn't get the plug-in to work in Opera and had to use IE instead. Now I feel bad... I have sined...

Re:Real nice demonstration. (2)

zerOnIne (128186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424623)

i used IE too, so i suppose that means i have cosined ...

i have a cheaper one (1)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424456)

I have found that using duct tape to connect my ipaw to my mobile phone is much more cost effective.

Re:your sig (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424471)

I ate the brown acid and i "rode the snake" for 2 days man. then i came up with this groovy idea to write code for free man. it's such a cool idea man. see i sleep on my friends couch and like i write software and just like give it away man. thats what the snake told me to do man. even though i sometimes have to sleep on the street covered by a tarp i still write free software man. peace

Not surprised it's by Sony (1)

sehryan (412731) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424458)

Sony makes some of the best PDA stuff out there. There Clie line blows Palm and Handspring out of the water in my opinion, and this thing looks like it will give the other PDA/Cels a run for their money.

woo hoo im offtopic and redundent! (-1, Offtopic)

chicks_dig_it (545361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424470)

heh.

Frist Pr0st (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424475)

Few gigs??? (1)

DomoKun (568619) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424477)

Getting closer- now if it just had a few gigs of memory for MP3s ;)

Why? I would agree with a few hundred Mb (to 1 gig) for data storage, like text files, cache memory, ect, but gigs for mp3's?

The whole point of this phone is to be connected all the time, every where. So I would like to download, or stream my mp3' from an online data storage medium, like my home computer or a music service.

I don't know if GPRS, is allready fast enhough for this kind of usage, but UMTS will.

/Domo

Re:Few gigs??? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424695)

3 interesting things about this phone:

1) It is bluetooth enabled, and Toshiba has just announced a pocket sized bluetooth 5GB hard drive called the Pocket Server [toshiba.co.jp] which means that you should be able to stream data back and forth from this P800 puppy quite easily

and

2) Sony Ericsson have come up with a technology called TrickleSynch (which uses what they call SynchML)which will basically continually synch your data from phone to base using the always on GPRS 2.5G system. So theoretically you will be able to synch all your data overnight while you're sleeping.

3) The company claims that the battery life will be around 12 hours of normal use, with 400 hours on standby. The design criteria was apparently to provide a product which only needed charging once a day or less under normal phone/PDA use. They claim to have achieved this by using a battery which is more powerful than the iPaq and by developing in-house a special low power screen.

The phone is very cool, and not much bigger than my Nokia 8890, and the handwriting recognition actually seems to work, which is even more amazing.

Why merge the two? (2, Interesting)

ajiva (156759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424499)

Why are people so intent on merging PDA/Phones? They are not very size compatible. Like for example, I take my HandSpring Visor with me to school, but I just stuff it in my backpack and use it in class, but my phone I take *everywhere*. So I have to have a small phone (Nokia 8290). They serve two distinct purposes, and I refuse to merge them. I don't want a smaller PDA, its fine, and I don't want a larger phone, its fine.

Re:Why merge the two? (4, Insightful)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424795)

Why are people so intent on merging PDA/Phones?
Because, IMHO, it's just plain dumb:
  1. to have phone numbers duplicated and eventually get out of sync between those in a PDA and those in a phone;
  2. to carry two things around rather than one.
They are not very size compatible.
If I'm going to carry a PDA around anyway, which is larger than most cell phones, adding cell-phone functionality to it doesn't make it any/much larger than the PDA.

I also don't understand my so many people want microscopic-sized phones. Sure, they're kind of cute; but the buttons and screens are so damned small. Also, one's home/land-line phone is "normal phone sized" so why insist on much smaller cell phones?

I take my HandSpring Visor with me to school, but I just stuff it in my backpack and use it in class, but my phone I take *everywhere*.
I take my Kyocera QCP-6035 with me everywhere and use it more as a PDA than a phone. I use it in the supermarket (HandyShopper), the gym (thinkDB2), and other places.

But those times when either I need to make a call or the select few people who have my cell number need to get a hold of me, it's great. In the Address Book app, I also keep store hours so I can know if they're open before I bother to call.

The phone even does a number look-up in the Address Book app for the caller's name when no caller-ID information is transmitted. Nice touch.

They serve two distinct purposes ...
Not when it comes to the Address Book app where there is lots of overlap. The Speed Dial app also links to the numbers in the Address Book. Again, nice touch.
... and I refuse to merge them.
Fine: that's your choice. Nobody is putting a gun to your head.

Is this a phone I can program? (3, Interesting)

bihoy (100694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424531)

I wonder what functions the API will provide access to? One of my peeves with 3G (or near 3G) devices is the inability to programatically control the telephony functions of the device. For example it would be very desirable to be able to filter incoming calls. Particularly all the phone spam that these devices are going to be magnets for. If this device would allow for this then that would be *very* cool. At any rate, I want one!

Java (3, Informative)

barnaclebarnes (85340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424865)

Its got Java so yes you can program apps for this phone. The java will be the J2me edition.

/b

I would rather have a personal network (2)

cpuffer_hammer (31542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424544)

I would rather have a network (blue tooth) or something like that that could keep my personal devices (as will as information on my laptop and desktop) synced. I want the phone lists the same and be able to pull a number form an email on my pda and dial it on the phone. It would also be nice if they backed each other up. So if my cell-phone gets smashed I can buy a replacement and the data will fill in from my other devices. (like a RAD array).

is this so different?

take it to Europe and Asia? (2)

supernova87a (532540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424581)

Sorry for my complete unfamiliarity with overseas phone systems -- Is this a phone that you could take abroad and use then?

How does that work? I've heard that pretty much everyone else in the world uses GSM. Is that enough to use your phone on their networks? How do they bill you?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me!

Specs for this badass... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424593)

Weight: 158 grams, Height: 117 mm, Width: 59 mm And it's 27 mm's thick. Stand-by time: 400 hours, talk-time: 13 hours. My wild guess is, that it's gonna cost as much as T68 costed when it came out.

Re:Specs for this badass...(for the SI challenged) (1)

kryonD (163018) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424800)

Since I had to break out the calculator to visualize these specs in English units...here's what it comes out to.

H: 4.6in
W: 2.3in
D: 1.1in

Weight: 5.6oz (.35lbs)

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What, no memory stick support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424600)


Find it a bit astounding to see something with the Sony name on it that doesn't have a slot for memory stick. Would be handy for media xfers.

900lb gorrilla vs. Godzilla (4, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424627)

Fighting in the domestic entertainment appliance arena today are:

Microsoft:
XBox - success uncertain

Other attempts at (non-hardware) domestic entertainment products
MSN - dissapointing - not very profitable - failed to unseat AOL
Microsoft Bob - 'domestic OS' - laughable failure
Pocket PC operating system for phones and PDAs - moderate success, not a significant revenue generator yet
Various TV/cable ventures - moderate success or failure
Microsoft games - successful and profitable

Sony
TVs, music systems, VCRs, DVD players etc - very successful globally over many years
Sony Walkman, personal stereos, mini-disc players - very successful globablly over many years
PlayStation 1 and 2 - very successful worldwide
Mobile phones - increasingly successful collaboration with major service providers

Other domestic ventures (not hardware):
Sony entertainment products (movies, record lables), generally successful or very successful over many years.

Who would you bet on winning in the domestic appliance ring - the 900lb gorrilla or Godzilla?

TheRegister.co.uk has also reviewed it (1)

Miska (45422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424654)

http://theregister.co.uk/content/54/25054.html

_

Q would be impressed (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424676)

And I thought James Bond had it made.
With GPS via Bluetooth and a built in Camera, all we need now is a miniature high-powered laser or other such energy weapon capable of burning through steel and this thing would be ready for use by all '00' agents.

Regardless if it has the laser or not, I'm getting one of these killer P800's the day they come out with one for Verizon, since they just got the 3G wireless services up and running here in the Bay Area, it's time I got a phone capable of using the uber-network that floats in the air around me.

And the idea of taking a picture and sending it over my phone to some one in an instant is just way too cool. I think that's going to be all the rage: take a picture - add a note and send it off.
That's the ultimate in communication right there...

Next time I'm running late for a meeting, I could just snap a quick pic of the nightmare traffic I'm stuck in and send it to the people waiting on me :)

Except for every Japanese-market phone (2, Funny)

huntdwumpus (534558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424709)

"...this looks to be the best PDA/phone combined in the world." This thing would get you laughed off the subway car in Tokyo (by high-school girls with more advanced tech).

Total Cost of Ownership (1)

kryonD (163018) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424726)

Several years ago, NTT Docomo released a phone in Japan that could store and play mp3's. The problem with the concept was a combination of price and target audience. The average person who desired to have their phone double as a walkman was college age and younger. The phone was priced at a modest $600 which most college students couldn't afford.

The idea of the camera in the phone is quite useful and has been available here in Japan for quite some time and is very reasonably priced. Almost all the phones over here have a great deal of PDA functionality and connect to the internet which is very useful.

But we return again to the target audience. The novelty of the phone being able to play my favorite mp3's and mpg's is going to wear off about two seconds after I read the price tag. The reason being is that like most salary workers, my day is fairly evenly divided up between work, commuting, eating, sleeping, and trying desparately to have something called a social life. Aside from amazing my friends during the "social life" part of my day, I have no time to play with gadgets, nor do I have any professional use for playing mp3's or mpg's. I didn't even get the camera phone over here because the cost didn't justify the very few times I would actually use that feature. IMO the P800 looks really cool for a technology demo, but I don't think they will be able to produce it at a sufficiently low cost for it to succeed. It's simple economics....when you have to pay rent/bills, support a girlfriend/wife/kids, and still manage to feed and entertain yourself, you find yourself seriously asking, "How often would I REALLY use this?"

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Re:Total Cost of Ownership (1)

Granamere (220694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424867)

I agree the one thing I did see awhile back that I thought was neat was the camera that connected you to your pop e-mail. Kind of neat running out of room on the camera? Just e-mail your photos to youself. Also waiting for an important e-mail? Just check your camera. Neat!

Bluetooth (1)

Granamere (220694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424732)

When are the companies out there going to get a standard that we all can use together? 802.11x, Bluetooth, The funky Intel stuff, etc. It would be nice if I go over to a friends not to have to make sure we buy the same standard. At least some of the 802.11a people are making it so they do 802.111a and 802.11b.

Re:Bluetooth (1)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424857)

When are the companies out there going to get a standard that we all can use together? 802.11x, Bluetooth ...
802.11x and Bluetooth have disjoint intended uses. The former is for high-bandwith, medium-range wireless LANs for laptops. That requires big antennas and lots of power that laptops can provide.

Bluetooth is for low-bandwidth, short-range wireless applications, e.g., cordless peripherals, PDA/phone sync'ing, i.e., things that don't have lots of power.

Size/weight?? (1)

sjofi (307114) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424740)

Ultimate PDA should be light to carry and of reasonable size (no larger/heavier than eg Nokia 62?? -series, IMHO).

I can't find that information in SonyEricsson site and neither this nor The Registers review has any mention of the dimensions of this thing...

I find that a bit confusing. Usually "forgetting" to mention these little details imply vaporware.

Otherwise this thing looks very desiarable indeed.

Re:Size/weight?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424866)

just go to the source it's all here [sonyericsson.com] requires plug-in install...

As comps and phones collide, who's # Pad wins? (4, Interesting)

SamIIs (65268) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424771)

Look at the number pad on your keyboard, and then look at the number pad on your phone. They're opposite. The keyboard starts at the bottom and works it's way up, while the phone starts at the top and works down.

Each are standard in their own field; You'll never find a keyboard with a phone-style pad and you'll never find a phone with a keyboard-style pad, but they're opposite from eachother. When I finally get a computer/phone combination, what kind of pad will it have? And who was the monkey that allowed these standards to differ so drastically?

Sam

Re:As comps and phones collide, who's # Pad wins? (2, Interesting)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424833)

And who was the monkey that allowed these standards to differ so drastically?
AFAIK, the reason why numeric pads, taken from calculators, and, before them, adding machines, are the way they are is arbitrary.

The reason phone pads are the way they are was a conscious decision by Bell Labs when moving away from rotary-dial phones to Touch-Tone. If you recall a rotary dial, the lower digits were on the top of the dial. To make the transition to Touch-Tone, they put the lower digits on the top of the pad.

Before you criticize Bell Labs for not following the defacto standard, remember that if Apple and others didn't break with the 8.3 filename convention, we would have been stuck with that for many more years.

Data input? (1)

word munger (550251) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424783)

Perhaps a stupid question, but if this is a PDA, how do we input data? I don't see an alphanumeric keypad, and there's not the familiar PalmOS text input area.
If it has Newton-style on the fly handwriting recognition, that would be WAY cool.
Even cooler (but unlikely) would be voice recognition or OCR via the camera module

Trolltech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3424790)

IIRC, Trolltech was hired by Ericsson two years ago in order to develop for upcoming PDAs.

Did they lose this deal?!

Ahh, the wonders of technology! (1)

stickyc (38756) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424809)

They managed to combine a flimsy flip-cover, guaranteed to snap off within a year with an exposed keyboard, guaranteed to accidentally dial people while the phone's in your pocket (yes, I know you can lock most phones, but can any regular cell user tell me they've never forgotten to lock the phone even once?)

At least it looks like the flimsy cover isn't actually wired, so replacements won't cost an arm and a leg.

Im not ready yet (2)

cybercuzco (100904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3424868)

Ill wait until it has tricorder-like capabilities. Sure its great to have a ppt presentation on your cell phone, but what if you need to scan for alien life forms, detect neutrino emissions, or tell if somone has a tribble lodged in their -*Radio Edit*-? Plus tricorders have more blinking lights on them, so you cant go wrong with that.
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