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Noise Control Stealth Tower

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the for-the-last-time-would-you-be-quiet dept.

Hardware 217

Ben writes: "I have just reviewed a really innovative case. Noise dampening kits have been available for some time, but I think this is the first solution where the manufacturer has done something to combat the noise coming out of the BACK of the case! With its whisper box, the Noise Control Stealth Tower finally solves this problem" Update: 06/06 21:02 GMT by T : Ben points to this mirror, too.

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Damn! (-1, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651954)

That sure is an innovative noise damping case.

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Damn! (-1)

CLIT (581942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651969)

That sure was a fast post, brutha!

Nice work, mein Herr ! (-1)

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oh yeah baby! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3651959)

This is the... FIRST FUCKING POST!!!

YEAH!!!

fucking lameness filter, i probably lost the fp cause of it...

Moderation (-1, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651996)

There should be a mod -1:Incorrectly claimed FP by AC fag

great! (1, Interesting)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651968)

now if they could only make something for a set of rack-mounts.......

Re:great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652070)

who the fsck modded that offtopic? rack mountable machines produce a lot of white noise, and this article about cases that prevent and/or hide white noise. clearly, the comment was on-topic.

Re:great! (1)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652102)

Check his sig: he modded himself down to prove his point

Re:great! (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652165)

rack sound reduction is very very easy. I have a set of six racks that are nice and quiet, the air conditioning coming from the ceiling for us humans is louder.

First, you MUST have racks with doors on front and back, second you must have a plenum on the bottom of the rack and the AC drop in the top (or my raised computer room floor with a Libert unit in the other room feeding the floor with cold air, vent out the top back to the AC unit) We placed car audio damping material (Dynamat) on the solid doors and sides, and ther front smoked plexi door is left normal.

with the doors closed (Oh add felt around the doors for a sound seal) you can barely hear the 14 servers screaming along (anyone notice hoe ML530 fans sould like jet's taking off?)

Re:great! (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652315)

solid doors would be part of the problem. I work in a research lab that has two cabinets in the corner (not in their own rooms, which is what they really need), and unfortunately I sit closest to them. One has only our main server (a simple tower) sitting on a shelf above it's external RAID array, a UPS, and the tape backup system. The other cabinet has about 20 rack machines, a network switch, slide-away console+KVM switch, two UPS's, and a power supply. Both also have the typical power strips at appropriate points and a huge mess of wiring. The doors to the cabinets themselves are screen-like, i guess to allow air flow.

We've mostly gotten somewhat used to the noise, but it would be nice to find something to shield the noise. The only real problem we've had otherwise is the heat it generates on hot days outside when the AC hasnt been turned on.

Re:great! (2)

The Panther! (448321) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652462)

Agreed. I did such a good job of noise proofing my rack cabinet that I wound up moving all my machines into it, to shut them up. Here's a step-by-step with photos [flaredev.com] .

SHHHHHH!!!!! (3, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651976)

Be bewwwwwy, bewwwwy, qwwwyyyet. I'm hacking wabbit.com. . .

Re:SHHHHHH!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652097)

i see some moderators missed out on Elmer Fudd during their childhood....

I like the noise (1)

dalassa (204012) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651977)

I've gotten so used to the noise of my fans running that I can't sleep without them. Its amazing how well a dual proc G4 acts as a white noise machine.

Re:I like the noise (2)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652021)

Heheh, its funny - I've been working in a high-tech firm for only a few weeks, and yet I already misunderstood the purpose of this article: I thought they ment eltronic noise - like magnetics static buildup or something.

Yeah, I have an Athlon XP - I can't talk on the phone in the same room as that computer.

My old Duron has an extra internal case fan and its quieter. Oh, well. Maybe an old Mac Cube (no fans - all convection cooling) would be best.

Woohoo! (0)

Ibby (130127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651981)

Now maybe I can sleep at night!

It's probably underpowered (-1, Flamebait)

The Anti-Billg (583826) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651984)

How the hell are you going to run the next version of Windows when you can't fit two processors in there???

Re:It's probably underpowered (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652004)

your thinking of Mac OSX

The even more ultimate solution. (5, Interesting)

gylle (531234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651991)

I have moved my very noisy server into a kitchen closet that previously held a small refrigerator. So it has a power outlet and is well ventilated. No more noise in the bedroom (at least from the server ;-). And buying wireless LAN equipment to connect the server to my laptop costs less than the quiet case in the article.

Re:The even more ultimate solution. (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652203)

And buying wireless LAN equipment to connect the server to my laptop costs less than the quiet case in the article.

Yeah but then you have to use your laptop screen to view everything. Maybe you have a killer laptop, but I never could deal with a laptop screen for more than a short period of time.

Re:The even more ultimate solution. (2)

jbf (30261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652337)

I hook up a 19" CRT to my laptop screen, and can view 2 different screens: one on my CRT and one on the laptop screen below it. It's quite nice, actually... 1024x1536 resolution, sub-pixel antialiased fonts when I want them...

Re:The even more ultimate solution. (2)

mikeee (137160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652358)

Just put it in that refridgerator!

Hmmm... you know, I was joking... but some smallish fridges are realatively quiet... mount a motherboard in there... hmmmmm.

Alternatives (2, Insightful)

delta407 (518868) | more than 12 years ago | (#3651994)

The alternative to using said "stealth case" is to run a quieter power supply with a cool-running CPU. Such systems are easy to obtain; you could either use an early 486 or unplug your Athlon. Of course, you don't get much processing power either way, but it sure is quiet. You could even use a mirror in full sun; it processes at the speed of light!

Incidentally, I have a Gateway 486 DX2 that has had all of the parts replaced except the case and power supply. It's completely silent; the soft hum from my printer's wall wart is louder. (Makes a great firewall, I might add.)

More importantly... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652001)

It has stealth in the name, which raises the cool factor by like 10! Your friends will be thinking it escapes radar detection and that it may bomb them at any time.

You do want your friends to fear you, don't you?

Re:More importantly... (2)

TheConfusedOne (442158) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652265)

Your friends will be thinking it escapes radar detection and that it may bomb them at any time.

Hmmm, do you suppose that SE after Win 98 really meant Stealth Edition then?

Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation (2, Interesting)

BobLenon (67838) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652003)

I would think that the fleece would reduce heat transfer. The noise is a big plus, but isn't there some way to get quiter without losing heat transer. In our apartment all the computers run hot. And some reach dangerous levels periodicly. I woyuld also think that the felt or fleece could also blaok airflow if your not careful also hurting heat transfer.

Re:Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652052)

It could in theory improve heat dissapation, say you made a dimond mesh (diamond is a great thermal conductor compaired to air, or most things!)

The mesh would collapse the sound waves (turn them into heat probably!), and be able to conduct the heat better than air would.

Ok it's probably impossible to do this, but copper/steel wool might have the same kind of effect!)

SNOW (1)

Swanktastic (109747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652095)

It could in theory improve heat dissapation, say you made a dimond mesh (diamond is a great thermal conductor compaired to air, or most things!)

As we all know, Snow is a great noise dampener and a perfect way to keep your box cool...

And slightly cheaper than a diamond mesh.

Re:Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation (1)

stray (73778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652185)

i think the conducting capacity of diamond vs air is beside the point, since the air is typically flowing outside the case and thus transporting the heat away.

the mesh won't be flowing i guess.

1984 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652005)

This is so, like 1984.

It wouldn't surprise me if they use those structures to mold the psyche of the people by making them for physically isolated. There could be some sort of illicit activity going on there, like Open Source programming, since the Open Source developer community is known for doing questionable things.

But that's just my opinion.

Slashdotted (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652009)

Posted anonymously because I have enough karma. First page only; the server is almost dead.

--- Story: ---

Introduction

We are quite a fan of Noise Control's products so far here at OcPrices, with both their Magic Fleece noise dampening material and Silverado coolers providing great quiet solutions for today's noisy PCs. Their latest product is the "Stealth Tower" case, complete with "whisper box". The Stealth Tower is basically a high-quality tower case pre-lined professionally with magic fleece. In our tests of the magic fleece, whilst the drop in noise was quite significant, the majority of the noise was now coming out of the back of the PC, via the case fans and PSU. Naturally these couldn't be lined with the fleece! With the stealth tower, Noise Control have constructed a "whisper box", a metal box heavily lined with fleece, with some cleverly aligned holes that allow air to circulate, but should stop 90% of the noise from escaping.

As you can see the case is quite a behemoth! With five external 5¼" bays and four 3½" bays, you won't be running out of space any time soon. Because of the case's heavy fleece lining, and the fact that it is a big case already, the stealth tower is a heavy object. Hauling it onto some scales revealed an empty weight of 12.5kg (27.5lb).

Thanks to Chillblast for providing me with a World Exclusive review on this case. You can *only* buy this case from them if you are in the UK since they are the only Noise Control UK distributors. The case costs 166.99 inc. VAT - but as you are about to see, you certainly get your money's worth. Lets take a look at some mug shots.

Well EXCUUUUUUSE me! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652035)

Posted anonymously because I have enough karma.

That's the reason everyone else posts as AC as well.

Why don't you sell some of that Karma on eBay or something? Or make it Open Source?

Re:Slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652388)

Alternatively, you could have posted a link to The Google cache [google.com]

Damn that link is being saturated fast ... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652010)

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NoiseControl Stealth Tower with Whisper box

Manufacturer:Noise Control
Cases
Posted by Ben on 5-June-2002 at 7:02
Introduction
We are quite a fan of Noise Control's products so far here at OcPrices, with both their Magic Fleece noise dampening material and Silverado coolers providing great quiet solutions for today's noisy PCs. Their latest product is the "Stealth Tower" case, complete with "whisper box". The Stealth Tower is basically a high-quality tower case pre-lined professionally with magic fleece. In our tests of the magic fleece, whilst the drop in noise was quite significant, the majority of the noise was now coming out of the back of the PC, via the case fans and PSU. Naturally these couldn't be lined with the fleece! With the stealth tower, Noise Control have constructed a "whisper box", a metal box heavily lined with fleece, with some cleverly aligned holes that allow air to circulate, but should stop 90% of the noise from escaping.

As you can see the case is quite a behemoth! With five external 5¼" bays and four 3½" bays, you won't be running out of space any time soon. Because of the case's heavy fleece lining, and the fact that it is a big case already, the stealth tower is a heavy object. Hauling it onto some scales revealed an empty weight of 12.5kg (27.5lb).

Thanks to Chillblast for providing me with a World Exclusive review on this case. You can *only* buy this case from them if you are in the UK since they are the only Noise Control UK distributors. The case costs 166.99 inc. VAT - but as you are about to see, you certainly get your money's worth. Lets take a look at some mug shots.

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Case Exterior
The stealth tower is an attractive case despite its bulk, with a sliding cover to hide CD-ROM drives and other paraphernalia from sight. I was particularly impressed with the whisper box, which blends seamlessly with the case's design.

Now that we have taken a look at the exterior, lets have a look at the much more important interior where the Stealth Tower really comes into its own compared to other cases.

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The Interior
Inside the Stealth Tower you will find wall-to-wall carpeting the likes of which you have never seen! Most of the panels are double lined with the noise dampening material, so the dampening effect should be much more profound than when I tested the Magic Fleece kit myself.

The large metal expanse with no fleece attached is where you install the motherboard and other components. Behind this tray is a double lined side panel

You can see the notch in the second layer has been carefully cut so that the side panel fits on snugly, fitting the case skeleton like a glove.

You can see that the drive bays, where normally a lot of noise escapes is extremely heavily lined with fleece. I am very impressed with the sheer amount of noise dampening matting used in the case - if you were to DIY a case of this size with the same extent of sound proofing, you would have to factor in at least two fleece packs - which would set you back over £80 alone from Chillblast.

Here is the inside-back. Plenty of spare PCI slot gaps, and space for an 80mm fan to be mounted. This is where 90% of the noise escapes in a regular fleeced case. Enter the whisper box!

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Whisper Box
The whisper box is large and heavy contraption that attaches onto the back of the Stealth Tower by means of extremely strong magnetic strips.

Once attached to the case, it has no likeliness of coming loose without a good tug, allowing you to drag the case around without it slipping off. If you are planning to carry the case around however, of course it is a good idea to remove the box.

The whisper box works on the premise that hot air can move by convection, whereas sound travels in straight lines. The box is split into two sections, one for the PSU, and another for the case fan / PCI peripherals. Nearly all of the sound waves are deflected straight into fleece, where as the warm air coming out of the PSU and case fans can drift up to the top of the box and be expelled, and warm air from the case fan is expelled from the bottom due to pressure build up.

The entire interior of the whisper box is heavily lined with magic fleece noise killer, and thus weighs quite a lot. It's build quality is fabulous, and it looks like part of the case rather than just a third party add-on.

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Performance
I will compare the Stealth Tower to my other case, the Lian Li PC-60. I have fitted both with the same 80mm case fan and the same Enermax 430W whisper PSU. Lets compare both decibel readings, taken with the following contraption, and then case temperatures.

For the CPU I have fitted a 2100XP processor, with an Arkua copper core thermoengine. Its not the loudest of coolers, but certainly couldn't be considered quiet either. It is about on a par with most "regular" 4500rpm fans. The graphics card is the Creative GeForce 4 Ti-4600, which has quite a loud and annoying fan - and definately the noisiest component in my PC. It will be interesting to see how the Stealth Tower copes with it.

Case CPU temperature (full load) Case temperature

Lian Li PC-60 48.9 26.4

Stealth Tower 52.1 29.0

The Noise Control case results in a 3 degree increase on both the CPU and ambient case temperature. Initially I did the test with no case fans installed in any case, and the difference was a much more profound 6 degrees. The CPU was also a rather worrying 51 degrees with the Lian Li, and a borderline pass of 57 degrees with the noise control case. It just goes to show how stupidly hot these Athlons are getting now - even with a good cooler. Lets see whether the reduction in noise is worth the temperature cost. I also dug out my old fleeced case that I built myself and fitted the same components again. Readings were taken exactly half a foot from the front, then the side and then the back of the case about half way up in all tests.

Case Side Back Front

Lian Li PC-60 48.0 Db 56.9 Db 50.8

DIY Fleece case 43.5 Db 55.4 Db 44.5.1Db

Stealth Tower 40.1 Db 45.3 Db 40.1Db

The extent to which the Stealth Tower reduces system noise is truly amazing. There was barely an audible whisper coming from the whole PC, and it certianly showed up my l33t fleecing skills or lack thereof! To be fair to myself, the main difference between my DIY effort and the Stealth Tower is the whisper box on the back, it really does do wonders for noise reduction, with the PSU only audible if you put your ear to the whisper boxes top port. The differences in Db may not look like much, but when you consider it is a logarithmic scale, the differences are really VERY significant. Just for fun I placed a Delta screamer in the Lian Li (not actually connected to anything except the fan header) and then again in the fleece case and listened for the difference. I would say that the difference was maybe 80%. In the Lian Li, the Delta is as-ever, unusable in my opinion. In the Noise Control case it really isn't so bad! Finally! That said, I find it unlikely that anyone investing in the Stealth Tower would then negate its huge potential by putting such an uncivilised cooler in it!

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Conclusion
The Noise Control Stealth Tower case is big, beautifully made and sublimely quiet. Sure you get an increase in system temperature compared to an aluminium case, but the differences in volume need to be heard to be believed. Remember this review was conducted using regular equipment, with the likes of Zalman CPU coolers and PSU's, a silent PC - even an Athlon 2100XP PC - is now a possibility. People hankering after tranquillity, and especially those that NEED quiet PCs, for audio visual work or recording etc should not hesitate to buy this case. I am a total sound Nazi, and although I found the original magic fleece DIY kit impressive, the amount of noise coming out of the back of the case was still an annoyance. With the Stealth Tower, Noise Control have finally come up with a viable solution, and for that I humbly thank them!!

Click for an explanation of our awards.

Highs
- Huge potential for expansion
- Substantial size ideal for watercooling
- Nice looking
- Amazingly quiet
- Revolutionary Whisper box
- Sublime build quality

Lows
- Heavy
- Not cheap
- No removable motherboard tray

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n.b. moderators: I have enough karma, maybe I will post anonymously

REPOSTED ARTICLES ARE, BY DEFINITION, -1 REDUNDANT (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652090)

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Re:Damn that link is being saturated fast ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652183)

Mod down the Karma Whore. Reposting articles is the cheapest shit in the world.

Re:Damn that link is being saturated fast ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652246)

It was posted by an AC you moron. No karma whoring there.

In Other News... (-1, Offtopic)

gartogg (317481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652011)

/. has become inundated with a white noise volume far exceding any currently extant dampening technology. Why is this news?

Why do I continue to punish myself by reading these stories?

Karma whoring (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652012)

already /.ed, some one post the text or mirror to alleviate some load off that poor server please?

F.A.P. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652023)

First atheist post!

God sent Jesus (who is also God) to die (how an immortal god dies, I have no idea) to correct a mistake He (God) made, after which He (God) went to heaven and became the almighty ruler of the universe (God)!

That shit makes a lot of sense!

Re:F.A.P. (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652074)

only someone that believes in god would post such anti-religious shit as an AC. log in fucker and gain respect for a well done post. FIRST LOGGED IN ATHIEST POST!

Hmm (5, Funny)

dknj (441802) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652024)

I don't think I can quiet down my case [digitalzophar.net] that much

dk

WARNING: GOATSE.CX LINK!! MOD PARENT DOWN!! (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652103)

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Noise can be good sometimes. (2, Interesting)

dlur (518696) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652053)

I've found the noise from the Athlon 1800+ in my bedroom to be quite soothing in the amount of white noise it creates in the background.

I did a little somewhat unscientific case study on the white noise it generated a few months back. I started shutting the box down at night while I was in bed. It turned out after 1 week of shutting it down to get rid of the noise that I actually had a harder time getting to sleep, and often woke up in the middle of the night. Within a few nights of leaving it on all night and day again I was back to sleeping like a baby.

With a baby on the way I'm tempted to set up a computer in the baby's room, not only so I have something to do at 4AM in the morning between feeding/changing, but also as an introduction of white noise into the room. I guess I'll see how well this works, maybe it'll be as soothing his mother's voice.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (2, Informative)

lfourrier (209630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652111)

With a baby on the way I'm tempted to set up a computer in the baby's room
poor child: when (s)he come to a really silent place, garanteed panic.
on an other side, when (s)he grows up, perhaps that silence will be one of those things of the past...

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652160)

White noise, maybe... but the problem I have with the sound the computer makes is not the "white noise" from the fans and such but the damn hard-drive. That high pitched whine is not "white noise" and is extremely annoying. I could never get used to sleeping with hard-drives in the room.

On another note, back many, many years ago when I ran a 300 BPS BBS I had a fan on top of my 1541 in my bedroom. After several years I shut the board down and found it very difficult to sleep without that fan running.

On yet another note. After getting divorced I found it very difficult to sleep without someone else in the bed distrubing things (kids, wife, etc.).

I think you're right, it's good to get used to some amount of noise/movement. I think you sleep better that way.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (1)

Wiseazz (267052) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652212)

We have one of those radios that makes nature sounds in our nursery... there's one that's supposed to be wind that sounds very similar to a pc.

She doesn't sleep well without it, either.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (2)

Levine (22596) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652322)

It's rediculous to think that you require some sort of noise to get to sleep, and even moreso to subject a child to that sort of thing. You've conditioned yourself to accepting it there when you try to sleep, and so without it you have a harder time. Fine. Your child hasn't! Given more than a week, I bet you any amount of money that you'll be sleeping just fine.

Those people who say that they /need/ white noise to get to sleep, and always have, are fooling themselves. How did you get to sleep before you had a computer?

levine

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (4, Interesting)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652409)

Go ahead and ignore the numerous studies indicating that white noise can help you sleep.

A perfectly quiet room is not conducive to a good night's sleep - you wind up being woken by small noises, such as the house creaking, wind blowing through trees, the HVAC system coming on and turning off, etc. White noise gives a higher base noise level that makes these events less noticeable because they're not such an abrupt change from what's in the room otherwise.

did you get to sleep before you had a computer?

Most people leave a fan running in the room - not only does it generate white noise, but it helps air circulation and keeps the temperature more stable.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (1)

dlur (518696) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652423)

Actually the only way I used to be able to get to sleep before I had some sort of fan noise in my room was to "pound my head" which was an obsessive-compulsive slamming of my head into the pillow. Mom starting running a small fan in my room when I was about 8, and I stopped banging my head into the pillow to drive myself to sleep. Since then I've always had a fan or a computer on in my room.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652467)

"pound my head" which was an obsessive-compulsive slamming of my head into the pillow.

So THAT explains it.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (1)

anderiv (176875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652454)

Unless I'm mistaken, most people (myself included) use some sort of white noise to drown out other sounds, not purely as a source of sound.

I have a small fan that I run while my wife and I sleep and it helps tremendously so that we don't hear every car that drives by our place.

I agree with the original poster that using white noise in the baby's room is a good idea. That way, Mommy and Daddy don't have to be so paranoid about keeping their guests quiet late at night.

Re:Noise can be good sometimes. (2)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652445)

"Put them down on the floor."

The infants were unloaded.

"Now turn them so that they can see the flowers and books."

Turned, the babies at once fell silent, then began to crawl towards those clusters of sleek colours, those shapes so gay and brilliant on the white pages. As they approached, the sun came out of a momentary eclipse behind a cloud. The roses flamed up as though with a sudden passion from within; a new and profound sigruficance seemed to suffuse the shining pages of the books. From the ranks of the crawling babies came little squeals of excitement, gurgles and twitterings of pleasure.

The Director rubbed his hands. "Excellent!" he said. "It might almost have been done on purpose."

The swiftest crawlers were already at their goal. Small hands reached out uncertainly, touched, grasped, unpetaling the transfigured roses, crumpling the illuminated pages of the books. The Director waited until all were happily busy. Then, "Watch carefully," he said. And, lifting his hand, he gave the signal.

The Head Nurse, who was standing by a switchboard at the other end of the room, pressed down a little lever.

There was a violent explosion. Shriller and ever shriller, a siren shrieked. Alarm bells maddeningly sounded.

The children started, screamed; their faces were distorted with terror.

"And now," the Director shouted (for the noise was deafening), "now we proceed to rub in the lesson with a mild electric shock."

He waved his hand again, and the Head Nurse pressed a second lever. The screaming of the babies suddenly changed its tone. There was something desperate, almost insane, about the sharp spasmodic yelps to which they now gave utterance. Their little bodies twitched and stiffened; their limbs moved jerkily as if to the tug of unseen wires.

"We can electrify that whole strip of floor," bawled the Director in explanation. "But that's enough," he signalled to the nurse.

The explosions ceased, the bells stopped ringing, the shriek of the siren died down from tone to tone into silence. The stiffly twitching bodies relaxed, and what had become the sob and yelp of infant maniacs broadened out once more into a normal howl of ordinary terror.

"Offer them the flowers and the books again."

The nurses obeyed; but at the approach of the roses, at the mere sight of those gaily-coloured images of pussy and cock-a-doodle-doo and baa-baa black sheep, the infants shrank away in horror, the volume of their howling suddenly increased.

"Observe," said the Director triumphantly, "observe."

Much ado about nothing (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652057)

People complaining about the noise from computers are the same people that stand in front of microwaves screaming "Faster, Faster!".

THAT'S A PRETTY INACCURATE SUMMARY OF THE PLAY. (-1, Funny)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652079)

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Re:Much ado about nothing (5, Funny)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652107)

Actually, they are probably musicians, it's the sound recording industry that will probably be the main market for this box...

...although I will concede that Frank Zappa did record an entire album of standing in front of a microwave screaming "Faster, Faster!".

Re:Much ado about nothing (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652217)

Actually, they are probably musicians, it's the sound recording industry that will probably be the main market for this box...

Huh? Why would the sound recording industry put loud computers in the same room as the microphones?

Re:Much ado about nothing (3, Informative)

Ooblek (544753) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652318)

No no no....its not that. The machine is likely in the same room as the mixing engineer. This is the guy that ultimately needs to hear the stuff as clear as possible so he can assemble it and mix it properly. I used to have to deal with this all the time. I used to install audio mixing studios for post production, and the engineers were chronic complainers. "I can't sit under the A/C vent, its too cold. The A/C vent is too loud. The computer fan is too loud. The ights are too bright. The lights are too dim. The computer is too far away. I don't like the patch bay up there on the wall, I want it closer. I don't like the patch bay this close, I want it on the wall." Seesh.

You also have to get special equipment to extend the monitor cable so that it shows up clear if you put the box in another room. Digital mixing and editing is great, but they have to put an insane amount of buttons on the screen in order to fit all the functionality of a console on the screen. Many buttons usually means small buttons. If your screen is fuzzy from signal attenuation due to distance, its not a pleasant thing to have to look at this all day every day. A sound studio is like a major nightmare of UI design, mixing both software and hardware. The engineers also tend to be sort of artsy, so they tend to be more "needy" than say a software engineer would be. (Just give me a dark room, a good chair, and a mouse without deadspots in it and I'm happy.)

Simpsons episode 3F02 (2, Funny)

Binary Tree (73189) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652170)

Moe: Oh, boy! The deep fryer's here. Heh heh, I got it used from the navy. You can flash-fry a buffalo in forty seconds.
Homer: Forty seconds? But I want it now!

Re:Simpsons episode 3F02 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652249)

Beavis and Butthead: "Cook! Cook! Cook!"

Re:Much ado about nothing (1)

Peeing Calvin (580935) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652180)

You would not believe how many users I support complain about ordinary fan noise. What can I tell them, other than "computers are noisy. live with it." Of all the nit-picky things that users bitch about, getting rid of one of them is a Good Thing in my book.

Now, how to explain to them that I have no control over how fast their favorite websites load...

Re:Much ado about nothing (1)

joib (70841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652264)


Of all the nit-picky things that users bitch about, getting rid of one of them is a Good Thing in my book.

So, where do you dispose of your ex-users? ;-)

Re:Much ado about nothing (1)

Leolo (568145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652316)

Um, not really. I hate the noise my computer makes. I don't even own a microwave. -Philip

Tall radio tower in Paris for sale!!! (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652059)

If noise really bothers you, then build a server closet! Computers need cooling and air, so short of using fanless cooling systems, noise is unavoidable.

One possible approach as other have mentioned is noise cancelling. Not noise damping with magic fleece or carpet. More like active noice cancelling technology, like the hellicopter whisper mode in the movies :)

Water cooling is the answer (4, Interesting)

xtal (49134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652064)

I've been running a reliable water cooled setup (including many moves, dropping upside down, upgrades, etc) for over 6 months now. It works great. I have install details [nyx.net] written up for anyone who's interested. The noise went from deafening to a mild hum.

I'm currently gathering pieces for a passive watercooled setup (no fans) that handles cooling the video, system chip and processor. The power supply fan will be removed and replaced with a low-voltage 120mm top-mounted fan that runs silently with good airflow (for HD cooling as well).

Rather than mount the radiator inside the case, the radiator will be top mounted with a custom lexan mount. This moves the heat outside the system (closed box). In addition, the inside will be sound deadened with leftover Dynamat Extreme [dynamat.com] from my car stereo install. This should result in a cool looking, silent machine, with no compromises. It isn't going to be cheap though.

Re:Water cooling is the answer (0)

Lisias (447563) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652098)

Why not Peltier Coolers [heatsink-guide.com] ?

Re:Water cooling is the answer (2)

xtal (49134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652156)

Water cooling is so effective you don't need a peltier. My setup currently runs a 1.2tbird @ 1.4 12C over ambient @ 1.85V. Peltier is interesting for overclocking to high levels, but there isn't much point anymore. At stock clock, the 1.2tbird runs at around 6C over ambient.

Peltier just sucks more juice (meaning more power supply cooling to be safe) and adds the added problem of worrying about condensation. Since a watercooled only setup can never go below ambient, no worries.

Re:Water cooling is the answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652261)

I've been thinking about this for awhile... and wondering if it might work.

Wouldn't it be possible to simply submerge an entire computer into deionized water? Water can hold a lot of heat... and deionized water wouldn't conduct electricity...

Not sure... haven't tried it yet, and I'm certainly not willing to test it on my system.

Re:Water cooling is the answer (2)

xtal (49134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652354)

It'll work for 15 minutes. Then the water will start to pick up ions off whatever exposed metal is there, and then you're finished :).

Submersion?? (1)

StupidKatz (467476) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652422)

You don't want to try it. Deionized water is not the same as 100% pure water. Absolutely pure water does not conduct electricity, true, but then again absolutely pure water is practically impossible to find.

Unless you feel like investing in the equivalent of a couple kilos of platinum, you'd be better off with a more conventional approach. :)

Re:Water cooling is the answer (2)

Levine (22596) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652341)

If your computer is so loud that even a freaking /water/ /pump/ is quieter, the fault is entirely yours to begin with.

No one, and I mean no one, needs a 10k RPM Delta fan in their box. No processor gets hot enough to need it, and if ever one does you've got a whole other set of problems to deal with.

levine

Submersible pumps are silent (2)

xtal (49134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652372)

You can't hear the pump I use in operation. One, it's in a sealed box, and two, it's submersed in water. My case makes noise because I have a 120mm fan on the radiator, but that is much quieter than the fans it replaced. My next design won't make that necessary, and a 120mm fan at low voltage moves a lot of air at extremely low noise levels.

Relax.

how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (5, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652076)

1. Remove noisy cpu and case fans.

2. Get Swiftech MCX462 heatsink (CAD$85) plus Vantec Stealth fan 80 mm (CAD$20, 21 dBA) to cool it. Use Artic Silver 3 thermal compound (CAD$13/tube).

3. Replace case fans and possibly power supply fan with Vantec Stealth fans.

4. Avoid slot loading DVD drives (i.e. like car cd players, no tray) because noise gets out of the slot.

5. Make sure your box is sitting on carpet and not wood/concrete.

6. If worried about airflow, remove those bulky IDE and floppy cables and get rounded cables. (About CAD$15-20 each.)

Caveats: Kinda expensive, probably less expensive than this case. Overclocking is a no-no.

OR DELETE LINUX AND RUN WINDOWS TO LOWER CPU LOAD. (-1)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652118)

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Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (2)

blakestah (91866) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652174)

What about the hard drives ?

Fans are one source of noise, but hard drives are another, and it can be significant. Once you get rid
of those noisy fans, you are sure to notice the drive. There are quiet drives from Quantum, and hard drive case enclosures.

But, an all in one package case seems like a reasonable idea.

Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (2)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652245)

"Fans are one source of noise, but hard drives are another, and it can be significant. Once you get rid of those noisy fans, you are sure to notice the drive. There are quiet drives from Quantum, and hard drive case enclosures."

Very true. I think it all boils down to personal preference. Some people feel happy with certain levels of noise while others would want it to be quieter.

In my experience, hard drives have never bothered me. Only when I upgraded to an athlon xp did the CPU fan start to drive me nuts so I started investigating alternate low-noise cooling options. I am willing to trade the higher noise of a 7200 rpm drive for increased performance, but with it comes to CPUs the cost is IMHO too high unless you get specialised cooling gear.

Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (2)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652344)

Note that Quantum no longer manufacturers HD's.

There's a bunch of quieting gear on Quiet PC [quietpcusa.com] , including HD case enclosures. I'd really like to know how well their fan-less CPU and GPU coolers work.

You're very right about HD's though -- my older PC had 3 7200 rpm SCSI drives in it. I finally cannabalized it, removing the SCSI drives and replacing them with a single IDE drive (with twice the capacity). It's much quieter and much faster now (yes, they were old SCSI drives).

If you have a Maxtor drive you can download a utility that will put the drive into "quiet" mode. It reduces performance somewhat by slowing down and re-optimizing seeks to reduce head movement. Did this for the 80 GB drive I put in my TiVo.

Seagate drives are currently considered the "quietest" though, so take that into consideration if buying a new drive. I believe they're even quieter than the Maxtor liquid bearing drives.

Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (3, Informative)

pthisis (27352) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652415)

Seagate drives are currently considered the "quietest" though, so take that into consideration if buying a new drive. I believe they're even quieter than the Maxtor liquid bearing drives.

I tried Seagate, Maxtor, and IBM drives when putting together my quiet PC. The Seagates are the quietest, but they're not really quiet (even in a Molex SilentDrive enclosure, which helps significantly). I've wound up putting a lot of effort into building a ramdisk root partition and doing heavy readahead into RAM so that the hard drive is almost always spun down.

Really, the Seagate's seeks are extremely quiet but the standard hard drive spin noise isn't that much more quiet than the others.

Sumner

Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case (1)

rocket97 (565016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652419)

Note that Quantum no longer manufacturers HD's


This is not true... they still do manufacture drives but it is with the Maxtor name plate on them. This is one reason why I will never purchase another Maxtor drive again. I have had nothing but bad luck with Quantum drives, but that is just my opinion... to each their own.

I want the noise reduction from this, but..... (1)

cardshark2001 (444650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652081)

I want an Antec designed case. I've been through many a case in my lifetime, and Antec is by far the best I've ever used. I'm sure this case really does muffle the sound, but how can I be sure the rest of the case is up to my modern (Antec) standards?

Little things make the biggest difference when it comes to cases, flip out drive bays, drive slide rails, efficient use of available space, easy access to the motherboard side (my Antec has a handle).

Is there anyone who could compare it to an Antec? Probably wishful thinking

Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652218)

Just built myself a new comp with an antec case, and I have to agree this is a really nice case. Easy access to drives, and plenty of room in the case for wires and cableing.

The only thing that sucked was that my old internal audio cable was 1 inch to short to reach where I wanted it so I had to go spend the $2.00 US on a longer cable.

Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652220)

Hmmmm, you have 6 sentences and manage to work in the name 'Antec' 5 times. This has got to either be spam or another one of those stealth slash-ads.

Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... (1)

cardshark2001 (444650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652323)

I shouldn't dignify this with a response, but I guess you pushed my buttons.

Why don't you have a look at my user page and see my previous posts before you slander me by calling me an advertiser? You are posting as anonymous, so I have no way of knowing if you are a frequent troll.

I like Antec so much that I can't ever see myself settling for anything less. I really am interested to hear from anyone who can compare the two. The linked article only talks about the noise reduction and the number of drive bays, and neglects to mention ease of use.

Put one on my wife's ass (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652089)

She can rip some mean farts after a night of heavy drinking. With one of these, maybe I could finally get some sleep!

Re:Put one on my wife's ass (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652190)

Heh. Put one on my gf. After her husband is off to work she comes over for a romp. Her post-coital farting is killing me, though!

I need a noise control stealth tower (0, Offtopic)

iramkumar (199433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652105)

in the loo ofcourse ...
less sound , and you cant find out whose makin that goddam stink ...

noise control homepage (5, Informative)

Ubi_NL (313657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652146)

Noise Control [noisecontrol.de]
although there is not so much mention of this new tower. Bit odd

Re:noise control homepage (1)

eMilkshake (131623) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652389)

Or that same page in English (thanks to the gog) here [google.com]

Re:noise control homepage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652424)

Probably because it's auf deutsche?

Noise Control (-1)

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Been there... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652200)

What about the Apple Cube? No noise came out of that sucker!

Bundled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652242)

Why do they sell the whisper box only with their case? Why not sell it seperately? From the article it sounds like the majority of noise normally comes out of the fan, so why not just attach their whisper box to a regular case? I would like to see some stats on that, and maybe some examples of DIY. Admittedly, I think a lot of noise from my computer comes from my DVD player, but if i could get a 20$ addon that would cut that in half (or by sqrt(2) ;-)) then i would probably buy it. My only concern is using magnetic strips to attach, but since the computer is heavily shielded i wouldn't be too worried.

How I beat the noise from my PC (2, Funny)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652247)

Got an Athlon XP 2000+ chugging away accompanied by 5 Fans (2 Case Fans, 1 Hard Drive Fan, 1 CPU Fan, 1 AGP Fan) + 2 120GB Hard Drives + Sparkle 400W PSU.

The only way I realized to get my mind off the noise is when I turn on Winamp with Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits anyone) crooning "Why worry" and "Brothers in Arms". Me and my wife sleep like babies in 5 mins tops.

Pics (1)

rocket97 (565016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652349)

Is anyone else having trouble seeing the pictures on the website.... I know for sure it is not the connection on my side. Does anyone know of another place to see this article/case?

El Cube (2)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652402)

but is it quieter than my case? [apple.com]

Athlon XP noise reduction (2, Interesting)

baywulf (214371) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652407)

I tried 3 types of "quiet" fans and sound absorbtion padding and what worked the best is a Zalman flower cooler. They are about $28 with a speed adjustment control included. With my Athlon XP 1800, I was able to reduce the speed to the minimum with only a 4C hit on temperature from my ultra fast CPU fan I had originally. Now the next source of noise is the fan on my video card!

Perhaps you've heard of the "magic fleece" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652436)

noise dampener by its other name: abspestos.

UK Quiet PC accessories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3652452)

www.quietpc.com [quietpc.com] carries some quality gear for making a machine quieter. I have purchased the silent PSU from their range and it's made a huge difference. There's still noise from the CPU fan and the GeForce fan, but they are next on my list :)

Why not use anti-noise generators (1)

gklyber (5133) | more than 12 years ago | (#3652469)

It seems that anti-noise headphones are quite common (especially targetted at airline flights). There are many other widespread uses of anti-noise generators for noise control on highways and airports.

Why doesn't someone put a simple anti-noise circuit, a microphone and a speaker on the output of the PSU? It would not restrict airflow if cleverly placed and the sound is consistent enough to easily generate the anti-noise.

A sample link: http://www.headwize.com/tech/anr_tech.htm [headwize.com]

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