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Review of First 10K IDE Drive 322

Sivar writes "StorageReview has a review of the first 10,000 RPM IDE hard drive. Despite the speed that other technologies are improving, this is the first rotational speed increase in almost six years for standard IDE drives." The review is pretty thorough, but also warns to keep in mind that the reviewed unit is only beta hardware.
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Review of First 10K IDE Drive

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  • Finally... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:46PM (#5455317)
    Nice to know they are finally starting to speed up the slowest part of the computer again.
    • by Twirlip of the Mists ( 615030 ) <twirlipofthemists@yahoo.com> on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:54PM (#5455384)
      Nice to know they are finally starting to speed up the slowest part of the computer again.

      You mean the user?
      • Re:Finally... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:14PM (#5455539) Homepage Journal
        Maybe a tie between the user and the floppy drive.

        But seriously, ATA hard drives have still been increasing in speed even when "stuck" at 7200 RPM because the data density skyrocketed.
      • Re:Finally... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by sweetooth ( 21075 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:22PM (#5455595) Homepage
        While the user may be the slowest part I will be damn happy when the current incarnation of the PCI bus goes away.
        • I will be damn happy when the current incarnation of the PCI bus goes away.

          What, 64bits at 66Mhz too slow?

        • Re:Finally... (Score:4, Informative)

          by cbreaker ( 561297 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:55PM (#5455785) Journal
          I've never had a problem with PCI. Sure, it's becoming outdated in terms of speed, but overall PCI has served the PC industry very well.

          The move from ISA to PCI as the general PC slot was a very good step forward. Gone were the hair-pulling configuration issues, jumper settings, and "ISA Plug'n'Play" that sometimes worked.

          The next "PCI" for the PC will most likely be something like 3GIO, which was recently renamed to "PCI Express." It's a new bus, but it's software-compatible with PCI. Since PCI Express is a new hardware interface (new slots) it's not just for compatibility; it's because PCI works and there's no reason to change what you don't need to change.

          At any rate, this topic is IDE drives. 10K SCSI drives tend to be pretty loud and run quite hot. I think that the 10k IDE drives will probably imploy some sort of technologies to keep them quiet and cooler, since IDE drives generally live on the desktop.
          • Believe me, I remember the ISA -> PCI transition ;) However it was certainly worth it. I think the move from PCI to the next step will also be just as worth it.
          • Re:Finally... (Score:2, Interesting)

            0K SCSI drives tend to be pretty loud and run quite hot. I think that the 10k IDE drives will probably imploy some sort of technologies to keep them quiet and cooler, since IDE drives generally live on the desktop.

            While that is generally true, I have a late model 10k rpm Cheetah in my file server that is quieter than my Maxtor IDE drives in this desktop machine. My other cheetah however, is an early 10K rpm scsi that is VERY noisy.
          • Re:Finally... (Score:3, Informative)

            by pmz ( 462998 )
            10K SCSI drives tend to be pretty loud and run quite hot.

            Not any more. The latest 10K SCSI drives purr like a sleeping kitten (aww...). I just bought a Ultra160 Seagate Cheetah, and I can only hear it by putting my ear up to the computer's case. The fans are way louder.
        • by JeanBaptiste ( 537955 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @12:42AM (#5456034)
          you must be new. How happy we were to use PCI over ISA and/or EISA and/or MCA. But maybe Im just old school. Remember the 5MB seagate hard drive? It is now a doorstop. I still have some 8 inch floppies. My first job involved loading the tape to tape reels.

          and you complain about PCI? kids these days...
          • As you can see from some of my other replies you'll notice that I was also glad to see ISA go, I had limited experience with MCA so can't comment much about it. I am just ready for PCI to go away since it is time.

            Of course I certainly could have picked on something a bit more annoying like the floppy drive ;) I just didn't think of it because I don't use the damn things any more!
      • by Anonymous Coward
        I've found you can significantly speed up users by replacing them with scripts.
    • Re:Finally... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ehiris ( 214677 )
      Nice to know they are finally starting to speed up the slowest part of the computer again.

      I wish I'd have network card speed close to the speed of my hard drive.
    • This is pretty much a dupe. Even more amusing, note who posted the first article.

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/21/055324 9&tid=137 [slashdot.org]

      Enterprise-class ATA Drives Posted by CowboyNeal on Friday February 21, @05:48AM

      from the fast-enough-to-make-disk-heads-spin dept.

    • You mean Windows?

  • by SystematicPsycho ( 456042 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:48PM (#5455336)
    Until new drives seem reliable and we don't hear of any issues with them there is nothing wrong with what I've currentlty got. Hardware also is hideously expensive when it first hits the shelves.
    • by grimt007 ( 625805 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:52PM (#5455370)
      Luckily new tech unveilings have a wonderful habit of driving current prices down, maybe we'll see 7200 RPM's at consistently less than $1 a gig!

      then look out cause RAID here i come.

    • by Sivar ( 316343 ) <charlesnburns[@]gmail...com> on Friday March 07, 2003 @12:03AM (#5455818)
      Hardware also is hideously expensive when it first hits the shelves.
      Of course you are correct, but this drive is expected to be priced at $160USD, which isn't really all that bad, all things considered.

      As far as reliability, the WD Raptor is targeted at servers and has a 5-yr warranty. Western Digital has experience designing SCSI drives, and I suspect that the Raptor is essentially a 10,000RPM SCSI assembly with a serial ATA--instead of SCSI--interface (as well as a few other tweaks). Certainly the mechanical characteristics appear to strongly resemble common 10,000RPM SCSI drives, such as the sub-6 millisecond access times.
  • To start shipping faster drives with their machines. Or, at the least. maybe the prices/demand will go down on that 7200 ive been craving.

  • by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:49PM (#5455349)
    7200 RPM should be fast enough for anybody.
    • with 78 rpm. If it was good enough for Sachmo it's good enough for me.

      KFG
  • It would be nice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by T5 ( 308759 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:50PM (#5455357)
    if the manufacturers of these 10K SATA drives would offer two different sets of firmware - one optimized for locality access for desktops and another for the more scatter/gather usage patterns seen on servers. How WD et.al. will position this drive for production remains to be seen.
  • Big deal. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jericho4.0 ( 565125 )
    So what? An increase in heat and wear and tear on components, for what theroy says is ~25% speed increase. This drive doesn't even come close to that.
    I would think that for most apps that need this, a SCSI or RAID (or both) solution would be better.

    Oh well, faster is pretty marketable, I guess.

    • Re:Big deal. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Sokie ( 60732 ) <(moc.rotcafegde) (ta) (essej)> on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:58PM (#5455420)
      Well this WD drive does sport a 1.2 million hour MTBF and 5 year warantee. It's pretty much built with reliability in mind since they are targetting entry- and mid-level servers.

      -Sokie
    • Re:Big deal. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by smallpaul ( 65919 ) <paul @ p r e s c o d . net> on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:59PM (#5455426)

      So what? An increase in heat and wear and tear on components, for what theroy says is ~25% speed increase. This drive doesn't even come close to that. I would think that for most apps that need this, a SCSI or RAID (or both) solution would be better.

      Why would SCSI be less prone to heat and wear than IDE?

      • Re:Big deal. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by dhovis ( 303725 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:09PM (#5455500)
        hy would SCSI be less prone to heat and wear than IDE?

        I think the point was just that SCSI provides better performance, even with 7200RPM. Much of that comes from the fact that SCSI drives are "smart" and require almost no CPU time, whereas IDE drives are "dumb", and require the CPU to handle much of the work.

        The price differential, OTOH, is substantial.

        • Re:Big deal. (Score:5, Informative)

          by steveha ( 103154 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:42PM (#5455707) Homepage
          IDE drives are "dumb", and require the CPU to handle much of the work.

          No longer really true. Ever since UltraDMA/33 mode, the CPU has not had much work to do with an IDE drive. SCSI drives still have a few tricks such as tagged queuing, but those features have been filtering down to IDE drives as well.

          SCSI drives intended for servers cost more, and generally are better made, than IDE drives. They also come with much longer warranties (makes sense since they are made better).

          steveha
          • No longer really true. Ever since UltraDMA/33 mode, the CPU has not had much work to do with an IDE drive

            No longer really true. Ever since UltraDMA/33 mode, the CPU has not had much work to do with an IDE drive
            You are more or less correct. DMA was actually available with a 16MB/second interface as well. IDE drives STILL use more CPU power than SCSI drives, as can be seen on the processor usage graphics on StorageReview.com, but all reviewed serial ATA drives so far use *less CPU time than SCSI Drives*. Eugene, a founder of SR, says that those depends more on the controller than anything. Apparently the serial ATA controllers tested are doing quite a good job!
      • Re:Big deal. (Score:3, Interesting)

        Since SCSI drives are obviously not targetted at the commodity/home market, manufacturers spend a few extra bucks on the mechanical parts, including fluid bearings, better motors, and more testing time to build a drive more suited for a server market. With a better mechanical build, less heat is generated and higher MTBF figures are posted. Mechanically, there is little required difference between a SCSI and IDE drive, but electronically and in the market, there is. At the same time, these cooler, better drives do cost more for a reason!
      • There are two ways to look at this argument... both totally different.

        First.. interface technologies:

        SCSI and IDE are different. IDE has controller hardware on the drive, and the IDE interface is nothing more than a mere i/o port. SCSI has a dedicated controller, and the drives have less logic. In theory.
        Also in theory, (and usually in practice), scsi is better at handling multiple drives.... the controller & scsi bus can take care of all kinds of multi drive operations without burdening the rest of the system. With IDE, obviously, as each drive is it's own controller, multi-drive operations require the cpu to do more stuff. This can be mitigated, of course, with IDE raid controllers and whatnot that use IDE drives but are in fact an actual controller... and take the load off the system.

        IN practice, however, drives with SCSI interfaces are generally manufactured for business/server markets, and are built with better parts/better testing, and hence, don't fail as much. They are also built with faster components and whatnot, again because they are in the server market.

        So.. these arguments always turn into flamewars. The fact is, scsi can do more, and scsi drives tend to be more reliable.... (which has to do with market pressure and NOT the scsi interface)
        There is no real big reason, however, why and IDE raid card & drives cannot provide the same quality of service.

      • Why would SCSI be less prone to heat and wear than IDE?
        SCSI drives are designed with higher quality parts, and are manufactured to much stricter standards. It isn't that they are SCSI, it's that they are designed to handle it. IDE drives could be build with the same standards, but it would increase the costs.
    • So what? An increase in heat and wear and tear on components,
      Not necessarily.
      For example, the Seagate Cheetah X15.3 is one of the coolest running drives you can own, and it's a full 15,000 RPM, yet it's cooler than many 7,200 RPM IDE hard drives.
      Thus, rotational speed is one of many factors determining heat.

      As far as wear and tear, that same Cheetah has a 5-yr warranty and expected service life. This is from a third higher to five times higher than your IDE hard drive--which spins significantly slower.

      The Raptor has that same 5-yr warranty.
      • You're right, and the drive in the article also has a 5-year warranty. I was also refering to the added heat in the enclosure, and the impact of that on wear and tear of all components.

        I would have thought that a 15,000 RPM drive would generate more heat.

  • by EverStoned ( 620906 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:56PM (#5455404) Homepage
    Did we go back in time to 1975?!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:57PM (#5455416)
    But hasn't there been several articles around that show hard drive RPM to be a minimal factor in the performance of HDDs?

    5400 -> 7200 wasn't that advantagous, but will 7200 -> 10000 be that much better?

    Don't we get better performance improvements from tweaks to the file system and how it writes and spaces out its blocks and cylinders?? Or are we at those limits already?
    • On the contrary, the jump from 5400 to 7200 RPM was incredible.

      You are clouding your own judgement by comparing today's 7200 RPM drives to the 5400 RPM drives. The 5400 RPM drives have good transfer rates due to to their typically higher density, but in terms of random access, 7200 RPM takes the cake.

      You CANNOT do fast random access without a fast spindle speed.

      Here's a review of the first 7200 RPM IDE drive [anandtech.com], introduced by Seagate in 1998. I actually have the 6.4GB version of this drive still running in my server...runs hot, and it's pretty crappy by today's standards, but BOY was it fast in '98.

      • You CANNOT do fast random access without a fast spindle speed.
        Right, mostly. The speed at which the heads move to the appropriate cylinder of the disk can be improved, but those heads still have to wait for the part of the drive which has the needed data to pass under them. As you can see from the Storagereview database (which you can use to list drives by access times, etc.), rotational speed is BY FAR the most important factor in determining access times.
    • We get better performance from everything. Rotational speed (latency, throughput), interface improvements (maximum throughput, CPU efficiency), media density (throughput, physical size), bearing longevity (a wobbly disk is a slow disk), and well as incrementally better filesystems -- to name a few.

      Which part of the term "storage system" do you not understand? There's a whole slew of component variables, none of which will ever be honed to perfection.

  • by La Temperanza ( 638530 ) <temperanza@softhom e . net> on Thursday March 06, 2003 @10:58PM (#5455424)
    When Western Digital raised the bar nearly 1.5 years ago, we repeatedly pointed out that the Special Edition (JB series) Caviar was what readers really wanted when they speculated over 10,000 RPM ATA drives.

    Equipped with an 8-megabyte buffer and accompanying firmware aggressively tuned for single-user scenarios, the WD1000JB easily matched and even exceeded the performance that the best 10k RPM SCSI drives of the era delivered when it came to desktop performance.

    While SCSI drives feature superior mechanics, their server orientation forces them to trade away firmware optimized for highly-localized patterns in favor of strategies that maximize returns in random access scenarios. In the Raptor, WD faces much of the same quandary.
    • "While SCSI drives feature superior mechanics, their server orientation forces them to trade away firmware optimized for highly-localized patterns in favor of strategies that maximize returns in random access scenarios. In the Raptor, WD faces much of the same quandary."

      There is no cache optimization for random access scenario, since you're guaranteed to almost never get a read cache hit.

      Maximizing random performance = mechanics.
      Maximizing local performance = scheduling.
  • by Compact Dick ( 518888 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:00PM (#5455438) Homepage

    Two of my friends purchased Seagate's 40GB 7200RPM Barracuda drives. In the space of eight weeks, both began sprouting bad sectors all over the place. This is totally unacceptable, especially when you consider that the standard HDD warranty is now 1 year [from 3.]

    Focus on improving reliability, not increasing rotation speeds. Or just bring on those cool holographic drives - that should fix things up :-)

    Cheers,
    CD
    • If reliability is what you're looking for, I'd stay away, far, far away from WD. I don't know about you, but the *only* drives I buy now are Maxtor/Quantum (same company now). They're the only ones left that know what "reliability" means. I miss Connor... [wipe tear]
      • Um... Do you have any empirical evidence for your claim that WD isn't reliable? Anything other than years-old anecdotes?

        Check out StorageReview's reliability database, and you'll see that WD drives are just as (in some cases more) reliable than those from Maxtor and others. (About the only drive company that has had reliability problems recently is IBM, who has now gotten out of that market entirely.)
      • Ive seen almost every HD, Motherboard or hardware go bad. Other than IBM and the bad batch of drives awhile ago, most seem pretty good. Just save your money and buy the cheapest oem you can get. (IMHO).

        BTW, I waw a good deal on pricewatch, 200gig 7200RPM 8M WD's for 240 at newegg.
      • If reliability is what you're looking for, I'd stay away, far, far away from WD. I don't know about you, but the *only* drives I buy now are Maxtor/Quantum (same company now). They're the only ones left that know what "reliability" means. I miss Connor... [wipe tear]

        (see above)

        Maxtor is certainly a good brand, but bad luck with a certain brand (see above) generally has more to do with what happened to the drive between you and the manufacturer, not the manufacture quality of the drive itself.

        Conner was purchased by Seagate in February of 1992, and much of their technology carried over, helping Seagate to make the first 7200RPM and 15,000RPM hard drives.

        All that said, Samsung is currently considered the most reliable brand of IDE hard drive on the StorageReview.com forums. By quite a distance.
        Unfortunately, Samsung drives are fairly slow and aren't as widely available, AND aren't available in the same huge sizes as many other brands.

        For the ultimate in hard drive reliability, I recommend a newish Seagate SCSI drive. You'll pay for it, though. :(
    • The market isn't willing to pay more for drives that undergo more testing. It was mentioned previously here that SCSI discs are so much more expensive not because of superior technology or manufacturing cost vs. ATA, but because of the testing that they go through. If you want reliability, buy SCSI.. what do you expect for an $80.00 ATA hard drive anyway? The sensitive manufacturing process can probably crank out a few bad hard drives that are very prone to failure as you mention.. and because the manufacturer has to test ATA batches with samples the bad ones can get missed.
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      • Well that is flawed because myself, ninenine, and many other consumers will not give these guys bussiness if their products are not reliable.

        Reliability is profitable because the majority of customers are OEM's. Support is expensive and dell for example only uses asus motherboards, intel processors, and maxtor/quantum hard drives because of this.

        THis makes reliability profitable.

        Remember its all about the customer and if a costumer is unhappy then unprofitability kicks in. People who want big drives and do not give a shit do not make up the majority of the market and will not purchase a product from that said company again if it crashes and loses data.

    • Focus on improving reliability, not increasing rotation speeds. Or just bring on those cool holographic drives - that should fix things up :-)
      You both must have ordered the drives from the same reseller, or at least from a reseller which mistreats drives or orders from distributers which mistreat drives.

      Or they were shipped via UPS. I wouldn't trust UPS with a clothing shipment, let alone a sensitive electronic device.

      Anyway, as the article says, the Raptor has a 5-yr warranty. It is targeted at server markets, much like every other 10KRPM and 15KRPM drive, and will likely be about as reliable (which is to say, extremely reliable).

      About your Seagates: Seagate drives tend to be about as reliable as Maxtor, Western Digital, etc. You can check the reliability survey on Storagereview.com (as soon as the now melted server is replaced :)
      There are always those with bad experiences of such-and-such a brand of drive, who then often assume that the brand in general is bad. Other than certain Fujitsu and IBM drives, all recent IDE drives have relatively few problems and most are reported to have 1% return rates.
  • by Geminus ( 602334 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:06PM (#5455476)
    I have a Maxtor 14 GB IDE-HD that is 10,000 RPM. Sure it sounds like a jet engine... but I've had it almost three years now, with no problems.
    • Maxtor IDE 10k RPM??? What is it's model number? I don't think ANYONE had heard of any 10k RPM ATA drive before this one.

      I know of plenty of 10k RPM SCSI drives, but not ATA. And, yes, the early 10k SCSI drives screamed like a jet...
      • At 14GB, it's almost assuredly SCSI. But, in the past 3 years drive noise has been reduced significantly. Current 7200RPM drives are much quieter than the first ones, due to advances in motor technology. Going from a Maxtor 80GB D740X to a new Maxtor 80GB DiamondMax 9 Plus with FDB, it's certainly much quieter (And 5MB/s faster on average to boot)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:06PM (#5455477)
    March 5, 2003 Author: Eugene Ra

    Western Digital Raptor Available Capacities
    Model Number

    Capacity
    WD360GD

    36 GB

    Estimated Price: $160 (36 GB)
    Manufacturer Specifications
    Beta unit provided by Hypermicro.com
    Remember, mention StorageReview in your HyperMicro.com order and receive free UPS ground shipping!

    Introduction

    StorageReview.com readers have been speculating for the better part of three years on when the industry would ratchet up the spindle speed of ATA hard drives. When would it happen? Which company would start the trend? Speculation finally gave way to a real announcement on February 10th when Western Digital officially announced its Raptor Serial ATA drive.

    Western Digital is in many ways the perfect company to lead ATA to a next-generation spindle speed. Ever since it introduced the Caviar WD400BB, WD has consistently led the field when it came to ATA performance. That's a 2.5-year run at the top- very impressive in the competitive computer hardware field. More importantly, however, the firm has no SCSI business to protect. The last thing that established SCSI powerhouses such as Seagate, IBM, and Maxtor want to see is the erosion of the relatively cushy margins associated with SCSI drives. Now that WD has opened this veritable Pandora's Box, the competition is sure to follow.

    According to WD, the key factor holding back higher spindle speeds was parallel ATA's lack of specification-level hot swap functionality. To be successful (initially, at least), any 10k RPM ATA drive must gun for the enterprise market. And in the enterprise, a sector that views outages as unacceptable, the ability to swap out a failed drive for another unit with minimal downtime is crucial. Serial ATA provides for such hot-swap functionality. Now that SATA is trickling into the channel, WD believes 10k RPM ATA's time has come.

    The Raptor comes in just a single configuration- a single 36-gigabyte platter. WD specifies the drive's seek time at just 5.2 milliseconds, solidly within SCSI territory. An 8-megabyte buffer accompanies the drive. Some folks may be disappointed with the drive's relatively paltry capacity- after all, today's SCSI drives deliver 147 GB of storage in a low-profile chassis. Much like its namesake made popular by 1993's Jurassic Park, however, WD envisions Raptors in multiple-drive configurations running off of relatively inexpensive SATA RAID controllers. Reflecting its enterprise orientation, the Raptor claims a 1.2 million hour MTBF spec and features a five-year warranty.

    It is important to note that the market for the Raptor is primarily the entry- and mid-level server markets and not the enthusiast desktop sector. When Western Digital raised the bar nearly 1.5 years ago, we repeatedly pointed out that the Special Edition (JB series) Caviar was what readers really wanted when they speculated over 10,000 RPM ATA drives. Equipped with an 8-megabyte buffer and accompanying firmware aggressively tuned for single-user scenarios, the WD1000JB easily matched and even exceeded the performance that the best 10k RPM SCSI drives of the era delivered when it came to desktop performance. While SCSI drives feature superior mechanics, their server orientation forces them to trade away firmware optimized for highly-localized patterns in favor of strategies that maximize returns in random access scenarios. In the Raptor, WD faces much of the same quandary. With its enterprise-class warranty and seek time, however, its clear that server performance is WD's first priority for the Raptor.

    The drive tested for this review is a beta unit provided by longtime SR sponsor HyperMicro.com rather than Western Digital itself. With a handful of exceptions, SR generally has not published performance figures for products this early in the development cycle. Please remember the final Raptor product may deliver results substantially different from those that follow.

    Keeping that in mind, let's see what kind of performance this beta sample delivers!

    ow-Level Results

    IPEAK SPT's AnalyzeDisk assesses many low-level characteristics of hard drives. Two tests, Read Service Time and Write Service Time, each respectively conduct 25,000 random single-sector reads and writes across the entire breadth of the drive. The result is perfectly equivalent to an access time test. Results come both as an average and as a graphic that plots the percentage of accesses across the amount of time they each take to complete. For more information, please click here.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Service Time Graphs (in milliseconds)
    Average Read Service Time
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 7.6 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 8.0 |
    |
    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 8.7 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 12.9 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 13.8 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 14.8 |
    |
    WD360GD (BETA) Average Read Service Time

    The beta Raptor delivers a measured average access time of 8.7 milliseconds. Subtracting 3.0 ms to account for the rotational latency of a 10k RPM spindle speed yields a measured seek time of 5.7 ms. While excellent for an ATA drive, the score is a bit off of the manufacturer's 5.2 ms claim as well as a bit higher than what we've come to expect from 10k SCSI drives.

    The use of an external controller (the Promise SATA150 TX4) and its associated driver unfortunately makes it more difficult to consistently disable write caching which unfortunately precludes us from presenting average write access times.

    eTesting Lab's WinBench 99 v2.0 features a test that measures a drive's read sequential transfer rates across the entire drive. The benchmark reports results both in quantitative numbers as well as in a graphic that plots the transfer rate across the capacity of the drive.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Transfer Rate Graphs (in megabytes per second)
    Transfer Rate - Begin
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 70.9 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 69.0 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 59.2 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 57.6 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 56.5 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 56.2 |
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    Transfer Rate - End
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 44.1 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 40.4 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 37.6 |
    |
    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 33.7 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 32.8 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 30.7 |
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    WD360GD (BETA) Transfer Rate

    Despite its higher spindle speed, the Raptor's outer-zone transfer rates aren't much better than today's top 7200 RPM units. Its score of 57.6 MB/sec narrowly beats the Caviar WD2000JB and slightly trails the DiamondMax Plus 9. Thanks to its smaller platter diameter, the Raptor exhibits a bit less decay as it moves towards its inner zones. Its minimum score of 37.6 MB/sec tops other ATA drives yet still fails to reach the levels of a Cheetah or Atlas.

    Desktop Performance...

    Formulated utilizing IPEAK SPT's WinTrace32 and RankDisk, the StorageReview.com Desktop DriveMarks exactingly reproduce pre-recorded, contemporary access patterns on tested hard drives. For more information, please click here.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Desktop Performance Graphs (in I/Os per second)
    SR Office DriveMark 2002
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 503 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 450 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 431 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 418 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 418 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 391 |
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    SR High-End DriveMark 2002
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 444 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 427 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 415 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 388 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 382 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 300 |
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    SR Bootup DriveMark 2002
    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 455 |
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    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 422 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 391 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 386 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 348 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 307 |
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    SR Gaming DriveMark 2002
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 649 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 548 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 546 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 531 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 528 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 508 |
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    The beta Raptor turns in a StorageReview.com Office DriveMark 2002 of 418 I/Os per second. While such a score places it among the top ATA drives, the Raptor fails to match WD's own Caviar WD2000JB. A top-level 10k SCSI unit such as Maxtor's Atlas 10k IV substantially outpaces the Raptor.

    Differences become more glaring in the High-End DriveMark. At just 300 I/Os per second, the Raptor places in the middle of a pack of 7200 RPM drives equipped with 2-megabyte buffers. Here the WD2000JB outscores the WD360GD by a substantial 43% margin.

    The Windows XP bootup process recorded in the SR Bootup DriveMark 2002 features an unusually high average queue depth for a desktop scenario. In this test, the Raptor stretches its legs, easily besting all comparable ATA and SCSI disks.

    Finally, in the SR Gaming DriveMark 2002, the Raptor delivers 531 I/Os per second, a figure comparable to a top-end ATA drive yet trailing the Atlas 10k IV by a significant margin.

    To be fair, we should point out that the 36-gigabyte Raptor faces flagship drives of much greater capacity in our tests. The margins between the Raptor and smaller ATA or SCSI drives would likely not be as pronounced since the competition would then be forced to work across a greater percentage of its platter zones.

    Server Performance...

    Server Performance

    The StorageReview.com Server DriveMarks consist of IOMeter trials using predefined patterns supplied by Intel across varying load depths. The reported scores represent a normalized average of results from 1 to 64 outstanding IO/s. For more information click here.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Server Performance Graphs (in I/Os per second)
    SR File Server DriveMark 2002
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 271 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 258 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 177 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 131 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 129 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 116 |
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    SR Web Server DriveMark 2002
    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 261 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 255 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 181 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 134 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 119 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 115 |
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    In the SCSI-stronghold of random, server-oriented performance, the Raptor, while delivering scores significantly better than traditional ATA drives, nonetheless falls behind contemporary SCSI drives by a significant margin. Even older drives such as the Seagate Cheetah 36ES (not represented; see the performance database to create custom comparisons) unquestionably trounce the WD360GD. The beta Raptor delivers the server performance that one would expect from a good 7200 RPM SCSI drive- definitely a cut above standard ATA, but not up to 10k RPM levels.

    Legacy Performance

    eTesting Lab's WinBench 99 Disk WinMark tests are benchmarks that attempt to measure desktop performance through a rather dated recording of high-level applications. Despite their age, the Disk WinMarks are somewhat of an industry standard. The following results serve only as a reference; SR does not factor them into final judgments.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Legacy Performance Graphs (in megabytes per second)
    ZD Business Disk WinMark 99
    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 16.4 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 16.1 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 15.9 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 15.7 |
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    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 12.1 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 11.7 |
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    ZD High-End Disk WinMark 99
    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 44.9 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 39.2 |
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    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 38.0 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 36.9 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 33.3 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 25.0 |
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    Heat and Noise...

    A Fluke thermometer and an Extech Type II SPL meter respectively deliver objective operating temperature and sound pressure measurements. Note that objective noise measurements are gathered only after subjective impressions have been penned. For more information, please click here.

    Note: Scores on top are better.
    Heat and Noise
    Idle Noise (in dB/A @ 18mm)
    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 40.1 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 40.4 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 41.0 |
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    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 45.5 |
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    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 47.7 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 48.5 |
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    Net Drive Temperature (in degrees celsius)
    Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 19.7 |
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 19.7 |
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    Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 20.6 |
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    IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 22.1 |
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    Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 24.4 |
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    Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 30.0 |
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    Objectively speaking, the beta Raptor turns in impressively low noise floors, likely due to its single-platter design. A score of 40.4 approaches the noise floor delivered by the latest Barracuda ATA drives. Subjectively speaking, however, our sample emits an irritating high-pitched squeal reminiscent of early 10k RPM SCSI disks. The whine was audible even over the testbed's relatively loud drive cooler fans.

    Seek noises land somewhere between today's louder ATA disks and a typical reviewed SCSI unit. While the Raptor features random seeks similar to that of 10k RPM SCSI, it features just a single platter contrasted with the four typically found in today's flagship units. The resultant actuator noise is quite unobtrusive.

    The Raptor's single-platter configuration also yields a relatively low operating drive temperature. Our measurements reached 20.6 degrees Celsius above ambient room temperature- on the high side for an ATA drive but well below the typical SCSI disk.

    Conclusion...

    It's very difficult to draw firm conclusions on a drive that is obviously far from its final state. Firms manufacture pre-release units not for performance demonstrations but rather for system-integration purposes- resellers need to qualify the unit in their systems for extended periods of time before the drive hits general availability.

    Many readers may be disappointed with the Raptor's relatively lackluster desktop performance. For various reasons, enthusiasts view an increased spindle speed as the largest factor in single-user performance. The reality, however, is that desktop usage predominately consists of highly-localized patterns and is affected more by caching strategies than marginal mechanical improvements. Western Digital's JB series may very well continue to stand as the premiere choice for those seeking the ultimate in single-user speed.

    We're more concerned with the Raptor's server performance. While it is definitely a step above standard 7200 RPM ATA drives, the beta Raptor trails today's 10k RPM SCSI drives by substantial margins. If WD and SATA are to have a chance at cracking the enterprise market, the Raptor's multi-user performance must approach the levels delivered by Cheetahs and Atlases.

    Again, all figures, analyses, and conclusions have been drawn from an early pre-production sample. It is likely that the performance delivered by the final product will differ significantly from what we've seen today. We wish WD the best, and eagerly await the opportunity to officially put the Raptor through its paces.
  • Looks like (Score:5, Funny)

    by Rooked_One ( 591287 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:11PM (#5455514) Journal
    even 10,000 rotations per minute isn't enough to keep up with the /. effect.
  • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:20PM (#5455580) Homepage
    There are a few things to keep in mind about these numbers. Most of them are mentioned in the article, but they're scattered around. Just think about these things:

    • Seperate Card - Remember that the SATA controller is on a seperate card, it's not integrated into the chipset. So these number could (and probably will) change for the better when we see SATA built into the southbridge later this year (was it Grandale from Intel that will do this? I'm too lazy to look it up).
    • Drive Size - The drive in the review is up to 1/6th the size of some of the other drives in the review. So if you're comparing this drive you have to remember that it would perform better if it was a 160 gig drive and didn't have to work all over it's platter.
    • SATA - All the other drives in this review are either ATA or SCSI. So as SATA goes, this drive might be king of the hill by far.

    Those said, I have a few other things I'd like to say. First of all, it's nice to see that the drive is quiet. Even many 5400 and 7200 RPM drives are quite loud today. It's nice to know that going to 10k isn't going to turn my PC into a jet engine. Also, they mention that the reason that we haven't seen 10k IDE drives before was that servers didn't want them since they couldn't be hotswapped like SCSI. SATA supports hotswap in theory, but can you hotswap today? I don't think Windows lets you, IIRC (or if it does the system is a bit unstable afterwards). Does Linux let you hotswap SATA drives? If all the drives are one one controller (say RAID 5, or something else redundant) and you swap a drive, does the OS even know it happened? I don't have any expirence with hotswapping hard drives.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Uhhh, my motherboard already has integreated Serial ATA. ASUS A7N8X, nForce2 based. Also does Serial-ATA raid. And the reason they say it's quiet is likely due to the fact it only has one platter (as opposed to 2 or 3 in many of the others).
      • No- you don't have integrated SATA. There is no chipset on the market right now with integrated SATA. What you have is a separate SATA chip (probably from Promise) on your motherboard, but logically it sits off the PCI bus and is limited by PCI bandwidth.
    • Remember that the SATA controller is on a seperate card, it's not integrated into the chipset. So these number could (and probably will) change for the better when we see SATA built into the southbridge later this year...

      I've heard this over and over, but I've never heard any justification for it. PCI is plenty fast for that disk, and it's hard to imagine that a new ns extra latency makes any difference in disk performance.

      All the other drives in this review are either ATA or SCSI. So as SATA goes, this drive might be king of the hill by far.

      Sure, it'll be king of the hill for about two months until Seagate and Maxtor come out with SATA versions of all their ATA drives.
      • I've heard this over and over, but I've never heard any justification for it. PCI is plenty fast for that disk, and it's hard to imagine that a new ns extra latency makes any difference in disk performance.

        Ok- here is the justification. Gen 1 SATA is theoretical 150 MB/sec to each drive (point to point). Most people have more than one hard drive, so multiply that 150 by the number of drives.

        Standard 33 MHz 32 bit PCI is capable of around 133 MB/sec. One drive is enough to saturate that (in theory).

        You might argue that current drives are not capable of sustaining the 150 MB/sec transfer rate, and that is correct. But then you realize that your NIC, modem, soundcard, and other devices are sharing that 133 MB/sec PCI bandwidth with your SATA controller, and that starts become a very limiting factor.
    • Seperate Card - Remember that the SATA controller is on a seperate card, it's not integrated into the chipset. So these number could (and probably will) change for the better when we see SATA built into the southbridge later this year (was it Grandale from Intel that will do this? I'm too lazy to look it up).

      Integrated controllers have no real-world performance advantage over PCI-based other than that they do not use PCI bandwidth. PCI bandwidth is generally more than sufficient for a single (or double) drive. If integrated controllers do improve SATA performance, it will be because of tweaks in the controller design, not simply because they are integrated.

      Drive Size - The drive in the review is up to 1/6th the size of some of the other drives in the review. So if you're comparing this drive you have to remember that it would perform better if it was a 160 gig drive and didn't have to work all over it's platter.SATA supports hotswap in theory, but can you hotswap today? I don't think Windows lets you, IIRCWindows 2000, at least server editions, let you hotswap SCSI drives. I imagine hotswapping SATA drives is more a matter of having the correct drivers than anything.

      Linux supports hotswapping (of SCSI drives) as well, else it wouldn't be touched with aten foot pole in many server environments.

      Even Windows 98 supports hotswapping to a degree. You can get an external USB or Firewire drive and hotswap them to your heart's content. Not quite the same, but not much different either. :)
    • by DeathB ( 10047 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @01:22AM (#5456383) Homepage
      That's one reason why you haven't seen them in servers but there are others.
      • Testing - The test patterns a server drive and a desktop IDE drive go through are very different. IDE drives aren't run for more than a single pass or two, while SCSI drives can be subjected to a day or more of continuous testing
      • Firmware - SCSI firmware is made to do a better job at trying to save your data. In most cases it's 4-5x loc of IDE firmware. Much of this is different techniques of reading a block which contains an error.
      • Queueing - Now you can argue that SATA also brings this to the ATA platform, but it's only sort of true. SCSI drives get advantages from queueing for two reasons, greater queue depth leads to shorter overall write time, and the ability to reorder queues. If a drive can write the closest block to the head, first, it is going to perform better. Now it would be possible to do this on a SATA drive, but not at IDE costs. One of the biggest differences in chipsets is integration, usually SCSI drives will offload things like servo control to a separate processor. Unfortunatly on IDE, its one processor is at 80-90% load trying just to do servo control. It doesn't have time to reorder your queue. (This is of course fixable, but people would have to want to pay for the extra processor power)
      • Rotational error - SCSI drives are designed to handle the types of errors which come from putting several drives in the same case. That is each drive tries to transfer some of its rotational momentum into the case. The intersection of these forces is a case which torques in the direction of drive spin. In IDE drives this can cause drastic reductions in throughput as more and more retries are necessary. (There are some IDE RAID cases good enough to fix this completely, but most only do partially). I've actually seen conflicting research on this last pont, but only in how good the case has to be to prevent these effects.


      I do have some experience hotswapping drives. Linux sort of handles it. echo `scsi remove-single-device 0 0 1 0` > /proc/scsi/scsi and then
      echo `scsi add-single-device 0 0 1 0` > /proc/scsi/scsi will in theory hot swap target 1. However, I've had about a 50-75% success rate with not crashing the machine doing it. Hotswappable IDE is even possible, but your controller has to support it.

      Adam
  • WTF? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Jeffrey Baker ( 6191 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:23PM (#5455598)
    Great! Now I can get a second-rate, first generation 10KRPM hard drive with bad server performance and almost no capacity, from a company that disavowed the high end years ago by bailing on the SCSI market, all for the same price as established SCSI drives of the same size or established ATA drives four times the size.

    Hrmm.
  • by nolife ( 233813 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:27PM (#5455625) Homepage Journal
    Estimated Price: $160 (36 GB)
    Manufacturer Specifications
    Beta unit provided by Hypermicro.com
    Remember, mention StorageReview in your HyperMicro.com order and receive free UPS ground shipping!


    Tiger Direct has 36GB Ultra160 SCSI's for only $99 [tigerdirect.com]. Anyone know if these are some type of rejects? Google did not reveal any obvious issues with this model.
    • by Sivar ( 316343 ) <charlesnburns[@]gmail...com> on Friday March 07, 2003 @01:15AM (#5456324)
      IBM SCSI drives are generally the slowest, loudest, least reliable, hottest SCSI drives on the market. That said, $99 is dirt cheap, but you'd be happier with a fast IDE drive or a real SCSI drive, like a Maxtor Atlas 10K-3 (which are also quite inexpensive)
      ALso, take a look at ResellerRatings.com for TigerDirect. I wouldn't order from them...

      For SCSI drives, I have found HyperMicro generally has the best prices among companies that are trustworthy, and that them, Newegg, Mwave, or Dell have the best IDE prices.
  • by euxneks ( 516538 ) on Thursday March 06, 2003 @11:45PM (#5455723)
    Holographic data storage [ibm.com]!!!

    Yes, in the future, we will all have quantum computers [slashdot.org] with holographic data storage devices [ibm.com], communicating to us through 3d monitors! [slashdot.org]
  • Fast but Noisy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by zeekiorage ( 545864 )
    Objectively speaking, the beta Raptor turns in impressively low noise floors, likely due to its single-platter design. A score of 40.4 approaches the noise floor delivered by the latest Barracuda ATA drives. Subjectively speaking, however, our sample emits an irritating high-pitched squeal reminiscent of early 10k RPM SCSI disks. The whine was audible even over the testbed's relatively loud drive cooler fans.

    My current 7500rpm Segate drive makes noticeable amount of noise, this one is even noisier, why can't the drive manufacturers come up with some noise suppression case/jacket for the drives. For my new desktop I would rather go in for 2 low speed (4500rpm) drive in a RAID 0 configuration.
  • My SCSI Drives (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UserChrisCanter4 ( 464072 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @12:09AM (#5455852)
    SCSI isn't that expensive, especially if you're willing to analyze what you're actually going to use, and not just RAID 0-ing two 80GB drives like a lot of people I know.

    I picked up two Western Digital 9.1GB 10,000RPM SCSI drives for $35 each, shipped. If you don't have a controller, U-160 Cards can be had for about $70. I stick my OS on one drive, swap and applications on the second, and have a 45GB IDM Deskstar (75GXP and still running after 2 years, I like living on the edge) handling mass-storage tasks.

    According to WD's site, these drives have transfer rates comparable to the 8MB Cache IDE drives, but seek times in the 5 ms range (vs. around 8.5). Oh, and they're not particularly loud either, at least not anything I've noticed.

    At $160, this drive doesn't seem like a good idea. I've seen numerous 10K ~36GB SCSI drives for about $30 more. I guess you can factor in the card cost if you honestly want to, but if you're talking about RAIDing these things, you're probably talking about buying a good SATA or IDE RAID card anyway.

    If you have plans to archive every friggin' CD you own in FLAC format, then SCSI isn't a cost-effective method to go. I don't. YMMV, but I've found that I can beat the hell out of the computer and I don't see the nasty drive access issues that I used to. For a site where a lot of people piss and moan about not needing this many mhz or that DX9-capable card, I'd say the logic of smaller faster drives when you probably aren't gonna fill the giant ones is pretty evident.
  • tom's hardware (Score:3, Informative)

    by TerraFrost ( 611855 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @12:10AM (#5455856)
    tom's hardware has some additional info on this harddrive:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/20030210_0836 51.html

  • Noise? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by aquarian ( 134728 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @12:38AM (#5456006)
    Will this thing sound like a Black and Decker? How does it compare to other drives, noise-wise?
  • by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) on Friday March 07, 2003 @01:42AM (#5456503) Journal
    I find this drive a disapointment.

    This drive uses 36gb per platter.
    On a 10,000 rpm drive the platters need to be somewhat smaller, due to them physically spinning faster it can cause "problems" with a full size 3.5" disk @ that speed.

    Hence they physically make the disk smaller, so I can totally understand them NOT acheiving the current 7200rpm "flagship" 83gb per platter, however 36gb per platter is quite old for 10,000 rpm drives, which is quite a shame, 50 gb per platter would have been magnificent.

    Unfortunately due to this, it indicates (at least to me) that this is nothing new technology wise, but a 10,000rpm disk with an SATA controller strapped on to it, they may have even licensed it from their buddies @ IBM (since they used to be chummy in the early 7200rpm days of ATA)

    I'm having some guys on the SR forums claim the drive isn't that bad at all and that claiming it's a disapointment is silly because it still does X, and that's fine it's their opinion.

    However MY opinion is that this drive LOGICALLY should be *THE* fastest ATA drive in existence, bar none in all benchmarks - that's what we enthusiasts want and what we will pay for - we want it to not only be faster than all 7200rpm drives (bar none) but be the fastest ATA drive period - if they can acheive this and truely blur that SCSI / ATA line - the "geeks / losers and enthusiasts" (read: myself and many others) will glady drop the same money we would normally drop to receive 2.5 and even 3x the space.

    As I've said previously, most people (I feel) who initially saw the PR for this disk approx 3 weeks ago would have thought this: - "that drive will be the fastest at everything ever besides scsi" that's their expectations, and that's mine - and unfortunately it's not the case.

    So some of you may like the drive, but after reading SR's review I'm not down with that drive at all - also take note the drive makes the distinct "10,000rpm whine" sound which is disapointing as well.

    Big sigh from me...... these damn "hacked up" tape drives (which is all a hard disk is a "SUPER" tape drive) should be long gone by now! - magnetic spinning media has been holding the PC back for a long time, the second we have 100mb a second (slow by todays memory standards) and sub .2ms access times we will really start to see some impressive things.

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