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Apple Introduces New G5 iMac

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the here-it-is dept.

iMac 1595

peatbakke writes "Well, here it is. Looks like the rumors of computer+monitor combined into a sleek little case were true." It's mostly what you'd expect both design-wise and specwise. And I want it.

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new icon! (5, Funny)

ack154 (591432) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116646)

So how long until we get a new slashdot icon that looks like this model?

Re:new icon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116712)

tablet pc

The inside layout is far better for an all-in-one. (5, Informative)

danamania (540950) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116648)

Here [danamania.com] is a larger view of the inside of the machine. It's one hell of a lot more accessible than the last imac (or any of the imacs to date, for that matter).

Reminds me of the layout of my favourite pizzabox machines - just standing up :)

Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (3, Informative)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116699)

Nice pic but it is slow already.. :|

I've mirrored the above image here [nermal.org]

Just wondering (2, Interesting)

Matthias Wiesmann (221411) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116706)

Is it me, or does this picture show a lot of condensers?
Most motherboards I have seen don't have so many, or not so big. Or am I wrong?

Just wondering...

Re:Just wondering (2, Interesting)

Yakman (22964) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116823)

They do, they're just not normally all lined up like that but all over the board.

I wonder if some designer said "We need all those big round things all in one place" despite the fact it might not make sense in terms of the circuit :)

Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (5, Informative)

foo12 (585116) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116732)

Original source for the images [apple.com] . Apple's bandwidth and servers are probably a little more /. proof

Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (1, Informative)

arnoroefs2000 (122990) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116739)

Please use Coraled [nyud.org] URL's, they will last much longer. Like this. [nyud.net]

Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116781)

time's out for me already :(

Alternatively... (5, Informative)

Xenex (97062) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116748)

You can grab the images from Apple's iMac G5 PR images page [apple.com] .

Re:Alternatively... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116804)

gimp photoshop and graphicconverter cant open the .hgx file??? damm apple proprietary all the way through

Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (5, Funny)

scoser (780371) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116794)

I was about ready to start cutting my wrists in despair at the thought of servicing it, but your picture has reassured me that Apple may be back on the right track for serviceability in the iMac models.

new imac (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116650)

It's a pretty rad computer considering what it is.

Cue all the comments about 5200 geforce not being enough -- it's not meant for that.

"They should have had a 2 gighz in there " - that would eat into the market above it.

It is for offices and for homes -

The criticisms are:

If you are going to make it like a TV... they should have gone all the way and put a TV tuner in there - this is the killer app to beat microsoft on and to complete the iLife suite. An Apple (with all the associated easiness) TV center with maybe a grey one for corporate use with no TV.

The other critcism is that they should have a place in their product line for a headless box, so that all the hackers can get their grubby paws onto it and innovate on OSX - but really that constitutes competition with their other product lines, and constitutes competition with their own software so they won't do it.

They are family centric, gamers (yeah yeah, apple gamers, oxymoron, kekeke) can up the ante to a dual g5...so the only criticism left is that there aren't many good (I know there are options, but not outstanding ones) TV tuner /application bundles for the mac.

I hope I've cleared up alot of the "OMG only a 5200 nvidia" bullshit here - that's not it's purpose. But if it's purpose is that lazy kind of home desktop, it should have TV. But perhaps apple is thinking ahead to a TCPIP broadband world and a movie service along the lines of iTunes (pixar distribution channel anyone?) - it does leave a gap in their product line though.

Oh, and as slashdot still hasn't posted this story I'll add the "Looks like they were trying to get the g5 into a tablet/laptop but didn't quite make it" joke, which goes hand in hand with the "omg no g5 laptops yet". Slashdot is so predictable.

Sidenote - IBM should bring out said headless box, black alu case like the NeXT with a single G5 in it clocked a 2gighz and a 100% linux compat mobo.... That would soon become a cult item I imagine - but apple would have a fit because it would encorage all the unix geeks on their platform to swap and it would encorage a strong user base of a ppc linux to get going. So, like I say, not going to happen. Actually, can someone enlighten the thread as to who *owns* the G5? Could IBM do this?

speculation/discourse.... check

questioning of realworld performance combined with gamer
joke...... check

omg look the graphs on game performance have no scale.... check..stfu you are boring me....

g5 hotness jokes..... check

256 mem ram not enough.... check

wistfully wanting some other company to release a headless apple because apple won't.... check

questioning of apple users sexual preferences.... check

raise question of one buttoned mouse..... maybe they have a one buttoned mouse by default because it forces their app/UI designers to be creative - let those that want two buttons have them... but let all apps be designed with only one in mind (remember that gnome desktop designers who are hiding everything and anying, even if it should be there - although I don't mind spatial atm, I can see it going too far). Let us hear the end of the one buttoned mouse whinging.......

and wait for it...."I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of one of the new iMacs (a 1.6gighz G5 w/256 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that."

exhausting most of the pointless cliched bullshit in a slashdot thread before it's begun.... priceless^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprofit!!!

and hell, and I don't even own a fucking apple.

Gaming (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116713)

That's a 1.6 or 1.8GHz G5 processor, 533 or 600MHz frontside bus, 256MB DDR SDRAM running at 400MHz and NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB graphics memory. So you'll be able to play Worlds of Warcraft, Doom III and other fantastic entertainment.

Is there a Mac Doom III out yet? Can we have some benchmarks?

Re:new imac (5, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116754)

The 256Mb of RAM is my major beef with the machine (not that I particularly like the pricing either.) OS X really needs much more than that to run smoothly running anything but the most trivial applications. Even "modern" games have problems in half a gig.

Re:new imac (4, Insightful)

sammaffei (565627) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116758)

I agree with the TV tuner lacking quip.

I mean, Apple advertises it as being widscreen (almost 16:9). So, why don't they go the extra step to put a tuner and video inputs (S-Video and Component).

If this thing had that, I could ditch my 17" LCD TV.

Re:new imac (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116778)

It's a pretty rad computer considering what it is.
What it is: laptop - keyboard + stand. I guess I don't see what makes it such a big deal.

Re:new imac (1)

DigitumDei (578031) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116812)

About that laptop comment.

Really, they have taken a laptop, removed the keyboard and touch pad and given it a stand. When you think of it this way, one really does have to ask the questions, "Why the hell hasn't this been done to death already?". :P

Remember to secure it ... (1)

el_gibler (807201) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116654)

..with your trusty iLock.

Compare Apples and dells (5, Informative)

BoldAC (735721) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116655)

Not trolling... just giving something for discussion. If anybody buys me one, I promise I'll add an apple section to tech-recipes. [tech-recipes.com] :)

$1,299.00

17-inch widescreen LCD
1.6GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
533MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Combo Drive

$1,499.00

17-inch widescreen LCD
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
600MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive

$1,899.00

20-inch widescreen LCD
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
600MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive

Dell Dimension 4600C Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor (2.80GHz, 533 FSB)
Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP
Memory 256MB Dual Channel shared DDR SDRAM at 333MHz
Monitors Dell Multifunction LCD TV/Monitor Selected Below TV [320-2913] 5
Video Cards Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 IV
Hard Drive 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive 40 [341-0836] 8
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices No Floppy Drive Included NFD
Mouse Dell® 2-button scroll mouse SM
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN
Modem 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem DFAX
CD or DVD Drive FREE UPGRADE! 24X CD-RW/ DVD Combo Drive
Dell W1700 LCD TV w/1 Yr Svc Qty 1
FREE Dell 720 Color Printer with 1 Yr Advanced Exchange Service Qty 1
TOTAL: $1,373.00

Re:Compare Apples and dells (4, Informative)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116685)

they seem pretty competitive, right down to the free printer (check the apple store site, you can get a free hp printer with any cpu purchase until october)

Oh yeah? Well.. (4, Funny)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116701)

...You can't price style, baby! :)

Re:Compare Apples and dells (4, Interesting)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116705)

If nothing else, this is starting to show that macs and PCs can be in the same price range. I am a pure PC kinda guy, but the hardware to price ratio on these new systems is very impressive IMHO.

Do the prices of macs typically fall after an initial release... or do they just stay a set price for quite a while?

Re:Compare Apples and dells (4, Informative)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116731)

The prices of Macs rarely fall -- older models are just replaced by newer ones at the same price point. This isn't 100% true of course, but it's a lot more likely in my experience than Apple lowering prices across the board.

Re:Compare Apples and dells (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116774)

Set price for quite a while.

Re:Compare Apples and dells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116793)

The prices don't normally change. Apple generally sets a price, and then sticks with it until the next upgrade.

Re:Compare Apples and dells (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116710)

Wow!! They made a dell desktop that's only 2 inches thick?!?!?

Re:Compare Apples and dells (4, Insightful)

FuzzieNorn (203503) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116711)

In order to be vaguely comparable in terms of components (the Dell's RAM/FSB is slower but the iMac's CPU is slower, so whatever), you need to look at upgrading the Dell to have a DVD writer when compared to the Superdrive models, to replace the video card in the Dell with something remotely sane, and to replace the hard drive with something of a larger capacity.

Re:Compare Apples and dells (1)

gadget junkie (618542) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116782)

what you say is perfectly valid. I am a little more partial to athlon 64's myself, but that's fine. the only thing is......... .......Why do I want to throw a tantrum in front of an apple store just to get one?

Re:Compare Apples and dells (2, Interesting)

Aphrika (756248) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116815)

Actually, you raise an interesting point which has got me a little baffled; why is there no TV tuner in the iMac?

The Dell comes with a LCD TV monitor, yet the iMac doesn't. Given the price of standalone LCD TVs here in the UK (400/500 UKP - i.e. over-inflated) it would make sense for Apple to have added in a TV tuner, added some nice PVR software to their iLife suite and cleaned up on the home entertainment front.

While I'm a Dell owner, I know I'd rather have an iMac sat in my front-room than a Dell box. At the moment, the nearest thing out there that I'd consider is the Sony Vaio V1 [sony-europe.com] .

Tablet PC? (1, Interesting)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116656)

looks just like something Microsoft is trying to push... oh yeh the tablet pc [google.com]

Wait for the patents from Apple?

I miss the old design. (1)

SchoolKitNet (779046) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116659)

I certainly miss the old Desk lamp design, time to find another desk lamp.

iPod + New iMac == Steve Earns His Pay (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116660)

Way to build a brand.

long time coming (3, Interesting)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116662)

i remember reading a macworld in 1994 showing conceptual designs from the apple industrial design department.

they had something like this (along with a mac based on the tizio lamp, and a tablet mac)

too bad gateway got it to market a few years ago :)

Re:long time coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116678)

would that be a tablet pc, from Microsoft.

Re:long time coming (1)

1shooter (185361) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116832)

Yep, if you added a keyboard, stand, ports, larger hard drive, better graphics, better sound, DVD burner and lost the touch screen and the batteries, the table would be just like the new iMac.

Better than G4 (1)

matgorb (562145) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116666)

I like it better than the last one, for me this is the true iMac with a flat screen. Let's hope i will have enought money to buy it before they release the next one...those damn PCs are cheap!

Like in the movies... (5, Funny)

Thakandar2 (260848) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116670)

I guess when someone shoots the monitor and says they destroyed the computer I can't laugh at the movie anymore.

Leave it to apple to spoil my bad action movie jokes...

Re:Like in the movies... (5, Interesting)

SnapShot (171582) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116830)

Speaking of monitors. Apple store is charging $1299 for the 20" monitor, but only $1899 for the iMac with the 20" monitor. Does that make sense to anyone?

Can I skip the monitor and get a G5 for $600, please?

iMac *thumbs up* (-1, Redundant)

silas_pc (736775) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116671)

I think the new iMac is GREAT! I can't wait to see one in-store!

So this is Apple's answer to the Tablet PC (-1, Redundant)

ricotest (807136) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116675)

So this is Apple's answer to the Tablet PC. I hope the stand is removable so I can use it on a couch or whatever. Obviously it looks better than the Windows offerings, and the GUI lends itself to a touchscreen much more, but what about my wallet? I expect this will be another high-priced 'elite' release from Apple, like their biggest PowerBooks.

Re:So this is Apple's answer to the Tablet PC (2, Insightful)

foo12 (585116) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116756)

Errr, it's not made for that... it's 17 pounds, lacks an internal battery, lacks a touchscreen, lacks a stylus....

Re:So this is Apple's answer to the Tablet PC (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116792)

Why don't you just look at the price on their online store. It ranges from $1299 to $1800+. That's not that expensive for a computer with a flat panel monitor IMHO.

Much sleeker than previous versions... (4, Insightful)

TheWart (700842) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116679)

While I never really liked the look of previous iMacs, I must give Apple kudos on this one.

It looks *extremely* slick, and I these would look so much better as the terminals in librarys and what have you, although probably way overkill.

And the one cord in the back is a far cry from my desk, lol.

Apple hate RAM. (5, Interesting)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116681)

This thing is only shipped with 256M of RAM by default? And only upgradable to 2GB?

The old iMacs could hold 1GB. This one is about 10 times faster and maxes out at twice the memory. This is pretty poor. Why does apple insist on shipping systems with such little memory.

Also, why is the FSB at 1/3 of the clockspeed of the CPU, as opposed to 1/2?

Re:Apple hate RAM. (2, Insightful)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116726)

RAM prices keep the price down. If they sold the machine with a more decent amount of RAM, they'd not be able to offer it at the price they do.

Re:Apple hate RAM. (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116773)

He's talking about upper limit, not the actual memory the box is shipped with. Empty RAM slots don't cost that much. Supporting 1-2 bits of address space more isn't THAT hard either. But true, for today and next 3-5 years (when the box becomes obsolete anyway), 2G RAM ought to be enough for everyone ;)

Re:Apple hate RAM. (5, Insightful)

notthepainter (759494) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116727)

Because Apple doesn't want to play the memory game. Apple knows that the customers know they can price shop and buy it elsewhere, that's all. It is often very easy to install (Original iMacs were quite the exception) and if you can't do it, the Apple Store will do it for you for $35 I think.

As for the 2GB limit, this prevents the low end machines from cutting into the high end machines.

price, price, price (4, Insightful)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116779)

Apple always seems to do this on their low-end machines as a cost-savings measure, and yes, it is somewhat annoying. BUT, if you really need more than 2GB of RAM, you may as well just spend a little extra money and get one of the dual G5 desktops, where you can get 4 or 8GB. Let's be honest, I can't imagine most home users are going to be craving 2GB+ of memory in their ~$1500 iMac.

I'd be willing to bet the FSB thing is also a cost saving measure, and perhaps a way to better differentiate their "pro" desktop line from the iMacs.

Re:Apple hate RAM. (5, Insightful)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116809)

It's a home computer. If you're a power-using geek you don't buy this, you buy this [apple.com]

Although I agree 256MB is a bit stingy, what possible use could a home user have for more than 2GB or RAM?

Nice (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116683)

It looks great, has a G5, comparable power to a PC and isn't so expensive. (remember it's including a very nice 20 inch screen).

Interesting points, it has a VESA compliant arm, so you can wall mount it easily. And Apple still haven't managed to get a clue about RAM, shipping a PC with 256 MB of ram is NOT ACCEPTABLE anymore.

this is not 1999, OS X needs at least 512 MB to run well.

Re:Nice (4, Informative)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116743)

i call bs. OS X runs perfect here on two different machines, one with 256 and the other with 384 megs of ram. Things may run a little bit slow if you try to run a zillion programs all at once, but for the average user, 256 is fine.

Re:Nice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116762)

Dear Customer,

You're right, 256mb is crazy. Sure, I can give you 512mb.

That'll be an extra $75, thankyou.

Love,
Apple

*bling* *bling*

Re:Nice (1)

mrob2002 (564229) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116788)

If the fans and ventilation slot are on the back of the screen, is there enough clearance is you wall mount it?

Interesting... (1)

CountBrass (590228) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116687)

Because it looks an awful lot like the pictures the rumour sites (including Slashdot) posted: and were "admitted to be fakes"!!).

remember the monrail (2, Insightful)

acomj (20611) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116693)

It looked like this but was black and had a smaller lcd (which was the style at the time) with a blazingly fast 486 processor...

http://www.monorailcomputer.org/index.html

Impressive new addition (3, Insightful)

sessamoid (165542) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116694)

Design-wise, it's in keeping with the home line with the white minimalist aesthetic. It matches the iBook and iPod well. The brushed aluminum stand gives it a design relationship with the G5 towers. At this size, it looks like the perfect dorm-room computer (as long as you lock it down!). The 17 inch version weighs in at a light 18.5 pounds and only 6.8 inches deep.

The most amazing space-saving feature is that it holds it's own power supply in that thin enclosure, so no ugly power bricks sitting on your desk or floor. If I didn't already have a dual 2.5Ghz G5 coming, this would look pretty attractive.

Fav quote (1)

gophish (65390) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116695)

Inside, you'll find enough modern technology to make even nerds drool. /me looks on as drool slowly pours from his chin to lightly touch the submit button...

How stable is it? (0)

phantasma6 (799340) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116696)

Is it just me or does that look like it could fall over very easily?

It has a small base and a fairly chunky body, and I for one wouldn't want to accidentally knock it over too many times.

Re:How stable is it? (3, Informative)

TVC15 (518429) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116819)

i was worried about the stability of the apple flat screen monitors myself when they first came out. i went to look at them and pushed them around quite hard. even the 30" was extremely stable. since the imacs have a plastic case rather than aluminum and only come in 17" and 20" models, i have to assume its more than adequately stable.

Yes, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116698)

...does it run Linux?!
If so, imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

(I call the Soviet Russia troll competition OPEN!)

Now you can all stop whining. . . (5, Interesting)

sabinm (447146) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116700)

It's as inexpensive as a IBM clone and worth more in value.

As an aside, this weekend I called apple care to get my logic board on my G3 Ibook replaced for the third time. I wasn't pleased, and I asked for a new one. Guess what? They're shipping a new Ibook G4 1gz for me. That's service. Barring the fact that the hard ware was faulty, they really came through on this one. That's why I buy apple.

Coverage from MacObserver (5, Informative)

choas (102419) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116702)

As posted here: http://live.macobserver.com/article/2004/07/paris2 004_keynote.shtml

Paris 2004 - Live Coverage of Steve Jobs Keynote

3:00AM CDT, August 31st, 2004

[4:44 AM] We aren't sure that the unit shown on stage was an actual working unit. It may have been a body with a paper display covering it. We aren't sure, of course, but we wanted to make note of that. - posted by Bryan

[4:41 AM] We are seeing a video for the new iMac now. Apple is comparing it to the iPod, the way the music player sits in the Dock. Also, the video says "From the creator of the iPod," showing that Apple is trying to leverage the success of the music player. Jonathan Ive says it is "quiet and utterly serene" in the video. - posted by Bryan

[4:38 AM] US$1299 - 17" 256 MB RAM, Combo Drive, 80 GB drive, 64 MB video card. This compares to US$1799 for the old starting iMac.

US$1499 - 17", with 1.8 GHz.

US$1899 - 20" display (1680 x 1050), 2.2" thick, 1.8 GHz G5, 256 MB RAM, 160 GB drive, SuperDrive, and same 64 MB video card.

They will begin shipping in mid-September! - posted by Bryan

[4:37 AM] You can unscrew three screws, and the entire back comes off. The crowd loves it!

The G5 module, when looking at the back, is on the right side. There are three fans in the unit, and it is "quiet as a whisper." - posted by Bryan

[4:35 AM] SuperDrive. 1.8 GHz G5. 600 MHz frontside bus. 400 MHz DDR RAM, up to 2 GB. Serial ATA hard drives, AGP 8X graphic slots. The speakers are mounted on the bottom, so they reflect off the desk, up to the user. The keyboard will slide underneath the display when you are not using it.

There are three 5 USB (3 2.0, 2 1.1), two FireWire, a modem slot, Ethernet (10/100 Base-T), audio-in, audio-out, both headphone and optical), power button on the bottom. - posted by Bryan

[4:34 AM] "Everyone is ging to be asking "where does the computer go?"

All of the connectors are on the left side, all in a row. Again, the crowd is going wild. - posted by Bryan

[4:33 AM] It's white in color, and the crowd is going wild. It has a grey Apple logo on front. Everyhting fits together right behind the display. - posted by Bryan

[4:32 AM] It looks like just a Cinema Display with a DVD slot loader on right side towards the top. Aluminum foot. It's the world's thinest desktop computer, at less than 2" thick. - posted by Bryan

[4:31 AM] The iMac G5 demonstration has begun. - posted by Bryan

[4:31 AM] Apple has sold 7.5 million iMacs, which works out to2.38 per minute over six years. - posted by Bryan

[4:29 AM] The iChat demo ended with Bertrand Serlet video conferencing in. The crowd loved his brief conversation in French. - posted by Bryan

[4:20 AM] We're on to iChat now. The last time we saw such a demo, it included lots of people from around the world in Apple's very cool iChat AV update in Tiger. That does, of course, bring to mind the idea that perhaps will see a certain iCEO who is in northern California, and if we do, we might even see some new hardware... - posted by Bryan

[4:19 AM] Mr. Schiller has moved on to demonstrating the iLife suite. This is the same demo that we have seen before... - posted by Bryan

[4:09 AM] We've moved on to Dashboard, Apple's implementation of a Widget engine. - posted by Bryan

[4:05 AM] For those keeping score at home, the US Apple Store is now, and finally, offline. - posted by Bryan

[4:02 AM] Well, Mr. Schiller went on to a H.264 demo instead of the iMac. Go figure. Interestingly, he specifically did not mention any release dates for this new digital video technology.

From H.264, we are moving on to a demonstration of Safari RSS. - posted by Bryan

[3:54 AM] During Mr. Schiller's Spotlight demonstration, he "found" a document on his demo Mac called "New Products Demo." This will, undoubtedly, be the new iMac everyone is waiting to see. :-) - posted by Bryan

[3:43 AM] Mr. Schiller has moved on discussing Tiger, Mac OS X 10.4. He notes that Spotlight, Apple's search technology built into Tiger, is "years ahead of Longhorn." Timing is everything, because on Monday, Microsoft announced that it was scrapping its spiffy new WinFS file system for Longhorn, a file system that would have made Longhorn's searching capabilities quite powerful. Apple will definitely be ahead in this area for some time to come. - posted by Bryan

[3:41 AM] We've begun receiving notes from all over that various Apple Stores are not available. Japan, Switzerland, Australia...Several others are down, but the US store is still available as of this writing. Apple usually takes the Stores off line in order to update them with major new product releases. - posted by Bryan

[3:31 AM] Phil Schiller is back on stage demonstrating Motion, Apple's character generation app. - posted by Bryan

[3:23 AM] Mr. Schiller is now trotting up execs from various software companies ons stage to offer excellent Mac OS X application demos. By way of introduction, Mr. Schiller announced that there were more than 12,000 such apps on the market. - posted by Bryan

[3:20 AM] Apple has sold some 5 million songs in first eight weeks in Europe, and Rm. Schiller pointed out that Apple was the first online music store to cross the 100 million mark. That last bit was reported several weeks ago, but a bit of bragging never hurt. - posted by Bryan

[3:15 AM] A quick note to point out that our live coverage is going better than we originally thought. Our updates are being phoned in from Brad Gibson from the keynote floor in short bursts (at an outrageous transatlantic cost, but that's another story). That means that our coverage won't be as smooth or as fast as we are normally able to offer it, but we do have the facts for you. - posted by Bryan

[3:11 AM] Phil has moved on to the new iPod ad we reported on Monday. The commercial features "Walkie Talkie Man" by Steriogram. - posted by Bryan

[3:06 AM] Phil Schiller says that the iPod has 58% market share in the US.

He also says that Steve Jobs is doing well, and that he will return to the job in September. He had a follow up of "September can't come soon enough." - posted by Bryan

[3:01 AM] The keynote has begun. There are more than 7,000 people attending the event. - posted by Bryan

[6:59 PM] As of this writing, Apple has had the WiFi network that we scouted out in the Apple Expo building turned off. That means that we aren't going to have live coverage of the keynote, but we will be the first to post Apple's announcements, including pics and a movie as soon as we can get it posted.

We will be posting the news as soon as it happens, and we will post very short blurbs here for those looking for them.

Our apologies for the technical difficulties. - posted by Bryan

[6:52 PM] Welcome to TMO's live coverage of the Apple Expo keynote. This space will include our live coverage from the event, barring any technical or other unforeseen problems. Stay tuned here for more information as it develops.

The keynote begins at 10:00 AM, Paris time, 4:00 AM, Easter, and 1:00 AM, Pacific. - posted by Bryan

pretty close.... (4, Insightful)

FaasNat (522755) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116707)

The new iMac design is pretty similar to the "spy shots" [macbidouille.com] that popped up on the net a few days back (which itself turned out to be a hoax). I wonder if the person who took those picturew knew how close he actually was......

Touch screenversion? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116709)

So when do we see the touch screen version?

This would make for a perfect kiosk installation.

I want one, or two...

Torcuill

Am i the only one... (1, Interesting)

alphan (774661) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116714)

... who thinks this new imac is clearly uglier than the previous ones?

Ok, it is just monitor, which should be a good thing, but what happened to esthetics?

Really amazing (2, Insightful)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116715)

At first, I was a little underwhelmed with the design. Hey, it just looks like their monitor; big deal. But after looking at it for a while, I like it.

Conceptually, this is even more impressive than Apple's previous G4 Cube [apple-history.com] design. In that case, you had a Kleenex-sized box that housed the computer. Now it's all housed in the screen, along with the slot loading drive. Leads me to think they'll have a G5 PowerBook sometime soon.

I also like the way Apple is explicitly marketing it as an upsell to their wildly successful iPod.

You would think... (1)

soluzar22 (219097) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116720)

...that cooling would be a problem in this form factor, wouldn't you? Sure, I know that the chips Apple uses don't run at the blistering, silicon-melting temperatures of the Athlon-XP, but the new hard drive I got not so long ago runs hot enough to be uncomfortable to the touch. How do they get away with it?

Another thing: It really does look so far, so iMac, doesn't it? I suppose that I'm the only one who likes having a nice big chunky case to show for my money? :-D

Re:You would think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116818)

"...that cooling would be a problem in this form factor, wouldn't you? "

From the rumors, it was the or one of the reasons why the new iMac was delayed.

Good news for people waiting for a G5 Powerbook.

I'm disappointed... (5, Interesting)

lonesometrainer (138112) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116721)

The graphics-card is lame, the bus-speed is lower compared to G5, but overall... the design. It's just plain boring. When was the last time that apple-addicts were bored when a new machine was introduced?

Yes, Apple, I'm bored. The G4 iMac was a lot more interesting to look at than this machine. And design is what apple-addicts are really looking after.

Here's some nice examples for great iMac designs: http://www.mackompass.de/ [mackompass.de]

PLUS: no heating problems here? Picture from iside: http://forum.macnews.de/forum/show?mid=8894.1839.- 5159 [macnews.de]

My mare is unimpressed... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116724)

Yeah, shiny, blinky, fast, but knows nothing about sex.

Shipping Date (2, Insightful)

mizidymizark (669232) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116728)

Now we get to see if postponing all of the iMac sales a couple months ago allowed them to get ready for the demand these new computers will have. It will be interesting if the delay will mean shipping dates closer to now than X-Mas.

ok, small point but... (1)

whowho (706277) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116734)

how does it read those mini CDs if it has a slot in CD player and no tray?

Flop! (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116736)

Looks kinda heavy (what's its weight?) with somewhat inadequate support/stand. When it falls (and, say, the screen breaks) do they cover it w/ warranty?

Media Center (3, Interesting)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116740)

Starting with the new headphone jack that's also a mini-optical plug. So you can watch DVDs and listen to them in 5.1 surround sound. You'll also find a passel of USB 2.0 and FireWire 400 connectors for your camera, camcorder or gamepad. Or if you want to connect your iMac to your TV or a digital projector, the mini-VGA port gives you the option. The line in jack lets you record an electric guitar into GarageBand

Kind of funny, how silly this makes Windows Media Center PCs look. Even small form-factor cubes don't look as sexy as this. Exactly the type of machine that could adorn any room in a house. Good work, Apple.

Doom 3? (0, Troll)

phantasma6 (799340) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116747)

they said it, not me...

That's a 1.6 or 1.8GHz G5 processor, 533 or 600MHz frontside bus, 256MB DDR SDRAM running at 400MHz and NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB graphics memory. So you'll be able to play Worlds of Warcraft, Doom III and other fantastic entertainment.

yes, I realise that this machine is definitely not designed for this purpose, but seriously though, how can they say that you can play Doom 3 on this?

Re:Doom 3? (1)

dewie (685736) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116827)

Troll?

I can play Doom 3 just fine with my GF4ti 4400.

Uh Steve? Gateway called.... (1, Funny)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116751)

...They'd like their design back:

http://products.gateway.com/products/GConfig/pro dd etails.asp?system_id=prf5sc&seg=hm

Seriously, a few models back they had a PIII based on a i810 platform complete with an all-in-one design, side loading CD-ROM/PCMCIA, etc. Not as slick, same concept.

What is old, is new again!

Good move! (1)

Xenna (37238) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116757)

This looks like a great device!

It may just turn out to be the first Apple I ever buy.

Another big advantage is that now PC clone makers will undoubtedly start making look-alikes, which is good for everyone...

For the Apple-lovers who think this is really news, have a look at this:

http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/iopener.php [ltsp.org]

Still a good move from Apple!

Jesus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116759)

"And I want it."

Let us know when you hit puberty. Maybe you can ask Santa for one in the mean time.

Hello iMac... (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116766)

...meet the i-Opener [linux-hacker.net] . The year 2000 called, they want their computer design back.

2 inches thick huh? (1)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116769)

So how much does it weigh?

Wow (1)

zors (665805) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116770)

Wow, this is alot more innovative than the desk lamp design. Throw in airport extreme, hi speed rf keyboard/mouse, and this is a pretty sweet comp to just set up in the kitchen or something. Ya know, for rich people. This really seems to be getting back to the spirit of the original design. The desk lamp always looked ugly and fragile to me, and ugly in comparison to the new G5 towers.

weak video card (1)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116771)

A GeForce FX 5200 Ultra. You can get better video in a PowerBook. I guess that settles it: no Doom 3 for OS X.

Save some for the kids (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116775)

Hopefully Virginia Tech won't take all of them...

FAILZ_ORS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116777)

why the vertical design? (1)

ALpaca2500 (125123) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116780)

a vertical design for an all in one computer with an lcd seems to make the most sense. but when apple introduced the first lcd imac, they said that one of the first ideas was a vertical design, and they scrapped that, because there was a problem with the optical drive, that in a vertical position it could only spin up to a certain speed (or something like that...). what's changed that not they DO want a vertical design now?

Ports location (4, Interesting)

totoanihilation (782326) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116783)

Looking at this picture [apple.com] , I don't want to imagine what an iMac setup would look like once you get some peripherals plugged in.
Say you plug in a printer, a scanner, a digital camera dock, and iPod dock, some amplified speakers, your ethernet cable, perhaps the phone cable for faxing, and a firewire hard disk, that thing will have 8 cables just hanging there, on the side of the machine, with no support whatsoever. And since there's nothing below the connectors but thin air, what the user will see is a bunch of cables just hanging from the back of the machine. I'm no design engineering guru, but that wasn't too well thought-out, was it? Notice that all the photos are of the iMac with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
They should've put the connectors on the stand, near the bottom. Or in the middle of the screen, with a cable guide on the stand.

But as always, I'll wait to see one in person before passing a definitive judgement. I was wronged by the previous iMacs' pictures, this might be no different.

Re:Ports location (1)

javajeff (73413) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116831)

I was thinking the same thing. However, this is an opportunity for third party companies to design neat conduit for all the cables.

Not Enthusiast Friendly (0, Troll)

haam51 (602695) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116786)

I dont know about you guys, but what I love from my pc is the ability to be able to change parts whenever some new card comes out, etc etc. BUT...in those MACs, that's basically impossible to do. Its like buying a laptop, what you buy is what you get and "OH WAIT, its already old hardware" with which you will be stuck for ever and if you want to upgrade, then you have to buy a completely new one; not just the parts you wish to change. And also think about this, how many of you have had your monitor died on you on only 1 or 2 years of use. Imagine buying this and then the monitor buying, small problem i would say

Isn't it funny.. (1)

Kakemann (57359) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116789)

..that in one of the original (old LCD) iMac commercials, the chief designer mentioned coming up with a design like this, just to have it rejected my Steve Jobs?

I'd be grateful if anyone would provide a link to that commercial.

side-loading CD/DVD? (4, Interesting)

mblase (200735) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116791)

I thought the original reason Apple put the CD/DVD drive in the base of the iMac and avoided a design like this was because their engineers said it was better to have the disc spinning while flat. Did they change their mind, or is the hardware just better now that they can mount the CD behind the monitor at an angle like this?

Yes but... (1, Funny)

period3 (94751) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116799)

...does it come in blueberry?

Oh Grandma! (-1, Offtopic)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116802)

What a big chin you have.

Future of computers (1)

paithuk (766069) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116805)

I think Apple are showing us the future of things to come. However, once the electronics become so integrated into the display, how will Apple products be any more appealing then their PC counterparts? It's like telling LCD's apart... How many of us walk into a store and bow down in amazement at the new style of LCD out?

How long? (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116813)

How long do you think it will be before a clueless mac fanboy claims that a flatscreen PC like this was an Apple innovation?

Don't get me wrong, this is very cool, I'd love to have a G5 OSX system in a package so small, but there's a certain segment of mac fans who seem all too eager to attribute innovation to Apple where such credit is undue.

Its a Monorail! (1)

randomErr (172078) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116816)

They took the PC system Monorail and painted the case white and called it a Mac. And Mac-ies say PC's steal from them.

What if.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10116821)

"What if you could fit your whole life -- all your music, all your photos, all your movies, all your email -- in a computer as fun and useful as an iPod? Now you can."
+ hd crash|virus|dau
-> you end up killing yourself.

Sweet - here's my take (4, Interesting)

jht (5006) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116825)

I like it a lot, based on initial impression. It also looks to be a lot more user-serviceable than the previous generation (where all you could swap out was the AirPort/Extreme card and the one RAM slot). That's nice.

I see they kept the PowerMac/iMac performance differential in part by using a 3x multiplier instead of the 2x that the PowerMacs use. That's OK - a 533 or 600 MHz FSB is still zippy.

The question I have is really about upgrades. Most importantly, can this model finally take an aftermarket internal Bluetooth module? All the previous versions only offer Bluetooth as a BTO option through the Apple Store online (except when it's standard equipment like on the PowerBooks). If you don't buy it at build time, you have to buy a 3rd party USB dongle. With access to the insides, that is now hopefully a thing of the past.

Will more VRAM be available as a BTO option? Right now, all 3 models ship with 64MB, and in my brief look online there did not appear to be an upgrade option. If the iMac is going to sell at all in the gaming market, there will probably need to be a 128MB option available. I wouldn't count on a better graphics processor, though, anytime soon. Apple likes to underpower the iMacs.

With this out there, will the eMac see a minor speedbump anytime soon? The two have traditionally had pretty much the same motherboard design - I don't expect a G5 eMac anytime soon, but maybe we'll get a 1.5 GHz G4 at some point now.

Most importantly, will normal human beings actually be able to buy these in stores anytime this year, or are we going to have to wait for the Tooth Fairy to deliver more G5 chips?

Reasons to like the previous iMac design better (4, Interesting)

eyefish (324893) | more than 10 years ago | (#10116829)

Well, I'm dissapointed at the design. The previous design with the rounded based and the moving screen was much nicer looking, plus more practical and functional as well.

With this model I can see the following problems:

1. You will now see a million wires coming out of the right side of the machine, hanging in mid-air and visible at all times.

2. All that white space at the bottom of the display makes it look like a waste of space (of course it's probably used for the internal electronics, but geez, couldn't they think of a better design?).

3. The display now only rotates in one single dimension (either tilts up or down) as opposed to the previous iMac multi-dimensions of fredom).

4. That base seems awefully inadecuate for so much weight on top of it. Seems like if it is very easy to drop the display sideways if you have a crouded desk and move things around a lot.

5. This design has been created before by the big guys (IBM and Compaq/HP I think had/have something similar), why not come up with something as cool as the iPod? (it's a shame they say on the website "from the creators of iPod" - if I was one of the iPod designers I'd be shamed...).

6. And how about a $999 model?
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