Transmeta Mulls Exit From Processor Market 202
chill writes "C-Net is reporting that CPU upstart Transmeta, once the employer of Linus Torvalds and maker of 'Code Morphing' processors, is contemplating leaving the chip manufacturing business. Already their IP licensing revenue exceeds that of their microprocessor sales, though both are dwarfed by their recurring quarterly losses."
Meanwhile, in Lost Wages... (Score:5, Funny)
And yet they're going to the CES in Lost Wages. (Booth 36235, LVCC)
[Hello! My name is ARTHUR SWIFT] "Hi, these are our microproceesor products, which cost more to make than we sell them for. We're thinking about breaking into the game console market next. Losing money seems to be working for the X Box!"
Re:Meanwhile, in Lost Wages... (Score:2, Insightful)
Geeks can't easily test products they can't easily buy.
Note (shriek, actually) to proc makers:
If you invested enough to make the cpu, offer a damned mobo at an accessable price!
So, basically (Score:3, Funny)
They're doomed.
Re:So, basically (Score:3, Insightful)
At least Transmeta is doing this all above board with actual public licensing of their technologies instead of just sinking unsuspecting companies with lawsuits fired by submarine patents years after the technology has settled into use.
Oh come on. (Score:2)
Re:So, basically (Score:4, Informative)
It's buyout time. (Score:2)
Intel and AMD will buy it just so Transmeta can't sell their IP to their competitor. VIA might buy it to strengthen their EPIA line, which ironicially is more successful then Transmeta's offering. I also remember seeing rumors a long time ago that Nvidia was going to buy it and start making processors. Although I very much doubt that.
Regardless, I don't see them selling processors too much longer. Crusoe
Oops! Hindsight is a real mother (Score:4, Interesting)
This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:5, Insightful)
McDonald's and Burger King for burgers.
Coke and Pepsi for cola.
Nike and Reebok for sneakers.
Microsoft and
Dell and HP/Compaq for x86 computers.
ATI and nVidia for graphics cards.
And... Intel and AMD for x86 CPUs...
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:5, Insightful)
No, trying to break into an existing market with a sub par product is financial suicide. Face it, Transmeta dosn't make anything that people want. Their much vaulted code morphing has never been used, so they have a CPU that can emulate x86 poorly. Where is the value? Why should I buy a system that uses this CPU when for the same price I can get another that works better? Via has them beat in terms of price and wattage, Intel and AMD have them beat in terms of price and performance, in the embedded market the PowerPC and ARM series are better in every way. Let me put it this way, if it was Intel who had released the Transmeta CPU would you still think it was worth while?
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
I know quite a lot of people who would have loved to have a low power CPU that is x86 compatible in their desktop computers, the throuble is that Transmeta failed completly to sell their stuff. You simply couldn't by a mainboard with a Transmeta CPU, the only stuff that got ever released were some sub-notebooks in japan.
That transmeta CPU also fall a bit short when it comes to speed is of course another issue, but simply because you couldn't buy
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:3, Informative)
Then they should buy one. Get a P4-M, Athlon Mobile or Via C3 system. All of which are low power, low cost and run circles around what Transmeta has been trying to sell.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Are you sure? The only reference I can find is to the "mobile Pentium III Processor -M." There's also a Pentium 4-M, as the previous poster mentioned. And then there's the Pentium M, which is the entirely new CPU that's part of the Centrino chipset package. You may be getting confused because the Pentium M actually relies on a lot of Pentium III technology, despite having the full Pentium 4 instruction set.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:4, Informative)
"Centrino", on the other hand, is a marketing name which means "Pentium M notebook with Intel's WiFi adapter". There are plenty of Pentium M notebooks without built-in WiFi or with somebody else's WiFi adapter, and these aren't Centrinos. Neither are the (admittedly rather rare) Pentium M desktops or blade servers.
On the original topic, the trouble with Transmeta's processors is that of the three Ps of a notebook processor- price, performance, power consumption- the Crusoe or Efficeon has only one selling point (low power consumption). I don't think it's that these processors are expensive to manufacture, but rather that the extremely low volumes they sell have to pay for their design costs (chicken and egg problem). Via's C3 scrapes along at low volume because on top of being a low-wattage chip it's quite inexpensive (it has a simpler design than any of its competitors, or indeed than any other company's x86 processors since at least the K6; additionally, VIA has plenty of other resources and can afford to take a loss on C3 now and then as an investment in a better bargaining position for its chipset deals with Intel and AMD). The offerings from Intel and AMD have much higher performance.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Hype vs reality - have you actually used one? (Score:5, Interesting)
The price performance thing is pretty meaningless as long as it is fast enough to do what you need. Not everyone uses their laptop as a primary machine, or for video processing. My main need was something that didn't weigh like a lead brick and could let me do real work on a long flight or a meeting without having to plug in somewhere. The Sharp/Transmeta does that admirably.
As for the Centrino - it may be great - I don't know but I wouldn't go by spec-sheet alone (Xeons are the fastest chip right?). I'm curious if anyone here has *real world* experience with the Centrino based Sony? My understanding is that it has about half the battery life of the Sharp from the user reviews and I certainly don't discount that this might be because of different power management schemes that don't relate to the chip. But as a end-user consumer the Sharp notebook was a lot cheaper than the Sony last I checked and is far from being a sub-par product.
Re:Hype vs reality - have you actually used one? (Score:2)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
I almost made it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually they are 3 Mega Corps but the #3 is usually far behind, but still close enough to get good Profit.
Re:I almost made it. (Score:2)
Eating a Wendys burger with a can of RC Cola, Wearing British Knighs Snearkers, Running OS X, on a Power PC Processor, but I have a nVidia graphics card... Damn! I guess I am just a Puppet of the Man!
Yeah, grow your own damn food. :)
Re:I almost made it. (Score:2)
There's actually a BUNCH of big players in graphics. Intel (the 800lb gorilla of GPUs, FWIW), ATi, nV, S3, Matrox, 3dLabs. Whew. Intel is good in low-end, ATi and nV are good in mid to high-end 3D, S3 is good in... nothing, but their GPUs make Intel's look good, Matrox is good in high-end 2D, and 3dLabs is good in workstation 3D.
Re:I almost made it. (Score:2)
I haven't seen an RC Cola in stores forever.
Re:I almost made it. (Score:2)
Re:I almost made it. (Score:2)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:5, Interesting)
You overlook a once tried-and-true strategy, which doesn't seem to have happened in this case:
Devise some clever new bit of technology
Burn venture capital (or even your own money if you're confident) waving it under the big noses in the industry.
Sell out
Logically you'd expect Intel, IBM or AMD to snatch them up as some sort of IP asset or leverage against a competitor, but Intel's scrambling against AMD, which hasn't exactly had lots of money to burn on other fronts, which left IBM who probably will pick up the ashes, unless Microsoft does and uses it for their Windows Processor ...
(Please note, I did not include
and
Profit!!!
above. Thanks.)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:3, Insightful)
Naw, they'll just snarf up as many of the good engineers as they can, which is what they've been doing all along. Cheaper in the short run, and more valuable in the long run.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:3)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
There is a major difference between the computer industry and the fast food.
The computer industry heavily relies on patents for enforcement. The fast food industry has no such leverage.
There was a competitor from China to Intel and AMD already. U5 wiped the floor in the SX 486 segment and had most of the features which provided AMD with the winning hand against Pentium more then 5 years later. First, it was a superscalar CPU. The x86 instruction set was emulated and translated into a risc-like internal
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
No, it was a just bad product. (Score:2, Insightful)
More a case of too much hype too little substance.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
I stick with Chez Malc. It's been years since I ate at one of those places. Whilst they're sticking with their trans fatty acids, I'm using free-range beef for a fuller flavour!
Coke and Pepsi for cola.
Nah, I just stick with water plus washing up liquid or bleach if I want to wash my floors. I always found that brown stuff did a good job cleaning but left things sticky. Dunno why anybody would want to put it in there stomachs.
Nike and Reebok for sneakers.
I
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
I got an ITBS injury with Nikes. Now I use New Balance for running.
Amen. Nike's killed my legs. Knees, shins, hips, you name it, the shoes broke it. I went to a real shoe store [fleetfeet.com] and was fitted with a proper pair New Balance running shoes, and haven't had leg problems since.
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:3, Interesting)
Likewise, the market isn't "cola", it's "non-alcoholic drinks", which has tons of competition.
Sneakers might be the right market, but there seemed to be plenty of competition last time I was in a shoe store.
For OSes you are right on the mark, of course.
Again, "x86 computers" is the wrong market, the right market is "desktop computers". In
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Some of the old kings of consumer graphics cards are still around. Matrox for instance has some decent consumer gaming cards like the Parhelia [matrox.com]. They also have many other high end cards specifically aimed at workstations. My ATI card runs two monitors fine. What if you want to drive 3 or 4 monitors? Get yourself a Matrox [matrox.com] card.
There are a number of other video manufacturers around
The "two player" sneaker market?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2, Informative)
Branding isn't everything (though it is important) (Score:3, Interesting)
Not disagreeing with you as branding is amazingly powerful, but there is more to it than that. Those big companies also have a lot of other advantages besides brand. They have among other things:
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
There are plenty of fairly well known "off brand" pr
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Nintendo & Sega used to own the console market. Now it's Sony, with MS and Nintendo a distant second and third.
Whilst ATI and nVidia currently dominate video cards, others dominated before them (e.g. Hercules, Matrox, 3dfx etc).
Sony used to be _the_ brand for portable music. With the Walkman, then the Discman and MiniDisc, they owned the space. Along came Apple...
You list Dell and HP/Compaq for PCs. Used to be IBM and Compaq. Dell are very new entra
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Atari were the 1000lb gorilla before that, so it's happened more than once. In fact, I considered Sega as the "new Atari" in the sense that what had happened to Atari (once seemingly unbreakable company reduced to everything failing).
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Mc'Ds and BK are titans, but there are plenty of smaller successful and profit making fast food restaurants (from the larger ones like Wendy's to small only-one-location mom 'n' pop burger stores). Hardly financial suicide to start a fast food restaurant.
Coke and Pepsi for cola - there are plenty of other soft drink firms who profitably make own-brand colas.
Nike and Reebok - again, several other profitable makers exist.
Dell and HP - plenty of whitebox maker
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
I don't know anyone who eats at one of these places more than once every 3-6 months at this point. They also share the market with dozens upon dozens of other national, regional and local chains. Here in the Boston area, I would guess that they Kelly's Roast Beef (a local fast-food roast beef and fried seafood chain) on Rt 1 does more business than any two McDonalds in the area. The place is gigantic, and always packed. Regionally, we tend to have more family-style c
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
Wendys, Fudruckers, Sonic, Jack in the Box
Nike/Reebok? How about Nuke and Addidas man
Microsoft and IBM and HP and Sun
Dell/HP for computers.. true.. no one else likes those margins - however there are still plenty of mom & pops doing fine.
ATI, Nvidia - sure if your talking gaming...
Intel and AMD for x86, but you can also choose from hundreds of other types of cpus.. Your choices don't have to be so limited when you open up your own horizons.
Re:Thinly veiled troll, but I'll bite (Score:2)
Re:This is what happens in today's "free market". (Score:2)
The parent post's comment about 20 nearly-bankrupt firms is quite insightful.
Why I am not interested in buying. (Score:3, Interesting)
The via sort of has reasonable support in linux, however the transmeta seems not to be very open about giving drivers etc away.
In the end I gave up and just used a long lead from the already present old server (Was doing firewall 7 routing etc) to the TV.
The idea of a cool & quiet little PC to do that was great, but unless you get prices less than an pc with a quieting kit and good support under linux (and windows) then it's not going to work.
To beat the incumbant you have to out perform and ouotprice it. Transmeta's problem is that AMD was already giving this a good go and people just don't want to use the unproven.
Re:Why I am not interested in buying. (Score:2)
recovery strategy (Score:3, Funny)
Re:recovery strategy (Score:3, Insightful)
If you are only losing money because of the development costs, then you can make it up on volume as you have more sales to amortize the development costs over. If you're still losing money even without your fixed costs, though, you're completely hosed.
Fun if you can get the funding (Score:3, Insightful)
One key though: your first release would have to be tremendously successful right out of the gate, if not in sales at least in buzz. Transmeta's first releases were, well, who knows. So I guess they weren't successful.
Next move: sell to Intel for $50 million. Sorry investors! At least you gave Linus a place to work for a few years.
sPh
Re:Fun if you can get the funding (Score:2)
Re:Fun if you can get the funding (Score:2)
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Re:Fun if you can get the funding (Score:2)
AMD has been a publically-traded company since 1972.
It was the IBM PC, several years later, that put Intel above the competition. That luck could have easily gone to Motorola, AMD, TI, Zilog, Atmel, etc. instead. Look at a few 20-year-old circuit boards. It's just as likely to use AMD chips in it somewhere as Intel chips, or both.
Re:Fun if you can get the funding (Score:2)
My guess would be.... IBM.
If you look at the new Power 5 and Cell chip they could be the next big thing. At least microsoft seems to think so since they are going for a PowerPC for the next X-Box.
I often wonder how the world might have been different if IBM had decided to really go for the PC market back when it made the first IBM PC. What if instead o
TM always avoided benchmarks (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead, they always had some loser from marketing spout about efficency, blah, blah, efficency. I still have those emails and they are very funny.
While I worked at a major OEM developing blade servers, we evaluated their processors and the performance was very weak. De-clocking existing proven designs was a better alternative.
As is often the case with weak products, non-disclosure agreements precluded benchmark publication and disclosure of evaluation results.
RIP TM.
Well (Score:5, Funny)
Outsource Fabrication? (Score:2)
Re:Outsource Fabrication? (Score:2)
The problem is that they don't have the sales volume to amortize the development costs such that they can make a profit.
Of course, you hear about yield problems, but I'm not sure that's really anything that Transmeta has any control over.
Re:Outsource Fabrication? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Outsource Fabrication? (Score:2)
They just design the CPU core and then licence it to anyone and everyone. Intel licenses ARM cores (XScale is 'compatible with ARM 5TE'), you've probably got an ARM based processor in your phone and Palm Pilot these days too....
It means that ARM can concentrate on what they do best - design decent low power CPU cores, and leave it to everyone else to actually make them and put them in things.
So Long, Transmeta. (Score:3, Interesting)
From the article: The company emerged in 2000 with a promise to bring energy-efficient processors to notebooks. The company's low-energy push spurred Intel to cut the energy consumption in its own chips.The company emerged in 2000 with a promise to bring energy-efficient processors to notebooks.
At least they had a long-lasting impact on Chipzilla. I never had to buy any Transmeta-powered products, but I know others who did. One tongue-in-cheek reason was to "root for the underdog."
The only hope now is that they don't get vilified for focusing more on the revenue-generating but much maligned IP territory.
Power Requirements (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Power Requirements (Score:3, Insightful)
The embedded market requires processor chips that have integrated peripherals - serial ports, ethernet, digital I/O, along with glue logic so that low speed flash memory and I/O can be easily attached to it. Transmeta went for the laptop market and only paid token attention to the embedded market.
Dispite the l
Define "embedded market"... (Score:2)
Who will serve the markets that transmeta does? (Score:3, Interesting)
Who will make processors for these kind of notebooks now?
Re:Who will serve the markets that transmeta does? (Score:2)
It's also quite a bit more powerful than the MM1110, and much more affordable than the damn cool Sony X505.
And the build quality is very impressive, IMHO. Almost as good a a Thinkpad.
pathetic.. (Score:3, Interesting)
it seems to me that transmeta should get -serious- about what the real issue with sillicon-business is: getting the product *used*.
as a more-than-casual observer of the sillicon markets, but being consequently, admittedly, ignorant of transmeta's "consumer" stance, i can't help but feel that transmeta are still in the 'precocious spoiled brat', rather than 'serious competitive contender against golliath', stage of 'tech biz' development
obviously, what they needed to do was conqure small-run manufacturing, and get the 'last-gap' hardware issues solved, while fostering their development cults. they didn't do this, instead just forever 'being defeated in the Desktop war'.
we -need- more bold new CPU and silicon vendors, people. if only a handful of people in the world can print and manufacture silicon, that's sad..
if, after their cut-up, whatevers left of Transmetas' engineering team get enough of a reboot, maybe we'll see them focusing on chips for devices, rather than chips for general-purpose computing (in weird ways).
as a developer, if i could have 10,000 transmeta cpu's, all in good low-power/high-performance ratio, on 10,000 motherboards, with 10,000 power-supplies and invoices for 10,000 cases/assembly, i would write some bad-ass software, which would put those 10k cpu's to *use*. (i like to think i do this for a living..)
but i never got the sense that transmeta gave a rats about *actual* devices, preferring to over-general-purpose-ize their engineering efforts, so that everything was *expensive*.
(10k worth of 8051's, some batteries and leds==90's::10k ARM/PPC/TM-core ass'lies, some batteries, LCD, and a radio==2000's)
in sum: transmeta didn't think small enough.
Intel Centrino was reason Transmeta failed. (Score:3, Insightful)
Why bother with a company with a relatively short track record compared with Intel's long track record?
How many times will the train crush you. (Score:3, Interesting)
Too bad really, because it's just one more indicator that the era of significant investment in new technology is looping ever shorter. The day when a company would invest in Xerox machine development for 20 years like Halloid did is I think, gone. Now you have to show a tiny incremental improvement right away and the hell with quantum leaps.
And large oligopolies are in the best position to do that. Show minimal improvement with maximal crash and burn to upstarts. Didn't the Transmeta guys learn anything from Bill Gates??
Didn't the TM guys learn anything from Bill Gates? (Score:2)
I'd hazard a guess that the answer here would be:
NO.
Re:Didn't the TM guys learn anything from Bill Gat (Score:2)
This stuff, the business of it isn't rocket science but the people who write about the people who do it, think it is.
The Crusoe Chip (Score:5, Informative)
All that development and hype, yet now they are getting out of the market. Seems they should have been well positioned to dominate in the handheld and portable market. Bad business practices? The EE Times also has a good article on this. [eet.com]
Re:The Crusoe Chip (Score:2)
Of course, with their opportunity snatched away in front of them, Transmeta lost both the initiative and likely some of its investors, and now they're probably falling behind
"What do ya wanna do now?" (Score:2)
Lazy yokel 1: "Nope. They told us we don't have to do that any more. They said we have IP now."
Lazy yokel 2: "Yeah. IP."
Suit: "We sell processors! What the hell are we going to do if we don't make processors!?!"
(pause)
Lazy yokel 1: "Wanna sue someone?"
Re:"What do ya wanna do now?" (Score:2)
All those Transmeta Crusoe chips! (Score:3, Funny)
Transmeta's basic problem - (Score:5, Interesting)
"Code morphing" would have been more useful if the instruction set to be emulated was less well matched to a hardware implementation. The VAX instruction set comes to mind. That instruction set was hard to make run fast. Individual instructions had too many sequential steps. DEC struggled with that for years. But few need a fast VAX any more.
The only reason that Transmeta had any success at all was that they built a chip with good on-chip subsystem-level power management. That's something which Intel and AMD had previously not considered too important, having focused on desktops first and laptops second. But it's not hard to do, and Intel then started doing it.
Re:Transmeta's basic problem - (Score:2)
Re:Transmeta's basic problem - (Score:2)
After the demise of the Inanium, it will be a while before anybody tries VLIW again.
Re:Transmeta's basic problem - (Score:2)
kinda, it kinda depends what type of instruction they are. the athlon's integer core has 3 decoders that are in the normal order, after fetch, before the reservation stations
>>while Intel expands them when they enter the execution pipeline.
intel now uses a trace cache (as long as they don't kill that and go back to the M for everything) so things are decoding __in the cache__ (well, in the trace cache), but their front end is basically the same,
Java processor? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Java processor? (Score:2)
Well, maybe a bit of explaning here. Most modern java VMs use "dynamic binary translation" to translate the java to the host instruction set. They are able to do many of the same kind of optimizations a compiler does at the same time.
This is the same thing that Transmeta does with their code morphing, but the underneath architecture is not exposed. And instead of Java bytecodes (which is good at code size, but rather poor for untranslated performance due to the
Re:Java processor? (Score:2)
Maybe it didn't offer enough benefit (as compared to JIT) to matter...
Ratboy.
Transmeta (Score:5, Insightful)
and a VIA which just said to the people, we are not fast, but they can handle the stuff you want to do with your HTPCs self made routers, firewalls, fileservers (you name it), we are cheap you can buy our stuff from the next vendor on the net and we will support you, and Transmeta was on a losing ground.
On one hand there was ARM which only sold cores and they did need less power, on the other hand there was VIA with the mentality you can buy our stuff even as a private person, and on the Notebook computer segment there were the Heavyweights Intel and AMD crushing Transmeta left and right.
So where did Transmeta stand there, basically nowhere because they refused people (and there were thousands who wanted to buy that stuff at an affordable price) the hardware, by selling only reference designs and not having others selling decent boards to an affordable price. Add to that that in Europa and other markets you basically could not get the stuff and that interested people were complaining in forums about that situation for years and you have a company doomed from day 1.
Now they want to concentrate on the core selling business, I wish them good luck they will need it, between a very good ARM on one side and VIA which still also sells boards to people if they need them on the other side and an Intel with a very good low to medium power solution on the server/notebook corner of things. Also IBM is in the business or at least other companies selling cores on the based PowerPC design.
Guess it is time to say to Transmeta, goodbye it was nice knowing you. (Hopefully not but there is a high chance)
Re:Transmeta (Score:5, Interesting)
I agree. And I'm an ex-employee, assuming that counts for anything.
They should have been GIVING away small form factor reference designs. They ones they did sell weren't all that great, geared mainly to laptop vendors... and way over priced.
That said, people still drool over my small, Crusoe based, laptop; especially after they've watched the SECOND movie with out changing batteries. It's the only laptop I own which I never fear running out of juice on. With a couple of batteries, I can fly just about anywhere in the world with out having to recharge. If only it had a bit more cpu power....
Re:Transmeta (Score:3, Insightful)
thats precisely the problem though. transmeta wasnt cheap. they priced themselves out of the hobbyist market and aimed squarely at laptop manufacturers. their developer support was also very poor. via's is
Sadly, a familiar story. (Score:3, Interesting)
Transmeta's code morphing was never exploited. They had several former SGI chip specialists, but made no real progress on the graphics front. They had Linus Torvalds on board, but didn't invest enough to make their initial Linux offering stable. Only a few manufacturers were allowed to sell Transmeta products - it was next to impossible to buy the CPU itself. And their QC failed badly on the initial Crusoe chip which had numerous bugs.
These weren't the fault of the engineers, or the design. These were political errors. Personally, I think Transmeta would do better to stay in the chip market and kick out their top managers. (Better still, sell the managers to SCO. May as well make some money out of it.)
Transmeta's main legacy, to date, has been to force Intel and AMD to cut back on their global warming efforts. Chips are much more efficient, especially on mobile products. Revolutionizing the attitudes in the top 2 manufacturers is no mean feat. I think people should damn well be impressed by that.
After the Crusoe was announced, IBM open-sourced their own code-morphing software (DAISY) but also did nothing with it. Another opportunity wasted.
So, yes, I'm not best-pleased with this decision, but it may have been doomed from the start by the attitudes involved. Sad, but familiar. (Also, not unusual in projects funded by Paul Allen. I only hope Rutan can shake off the curse.)
Re:Sadly, a familiar story. (Score:2)
Freeescale is not a
Thank TM for the Pentium M (Score:2)
This isn't a surprise (Score:2)
Isn't that kind of like... (Score:2)
Re:I thought they were doing so well... (Score:2, Informative)
cyrix?
out of the 3000 mini-itx motherboards I have touched i have seen NONE with a transmeta processor. I saw cyrix, intel and AMD...
in fact I have NEVER seen a transmeta processor let alone anyone selling them.
Re:I thought they were doing so well... (Score:2)
$485 at Logic Supply [logicsupply.com]
Re:I thought they were doing so well... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I thought they were doing so well... (Score:2)
Re:Transmeta Inside? (Score:2, Offtopic)
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Re:Transmeta Inside? (Score:2)