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Mac mini to PC Hack

michael posted more than 8 years ago | from the squeeze-play dept.

Hardware Hacking 692

DiZASTiX writes "Kevin Rose, the ever so popular host of G4/TechTV's The Screen Savers, has managed to fit a PC inside the Mac mini. 'I've seen a ton of articles around the web lately comparing the Mac mini to the near full size desktop PC. What they fail to compare is the amount of computing power per square inch you get with the Mini. So, I decided to take it upon myself to create the fastest PC possible with the size constraints of the Mini's small form factor.' The article covers most everything he did and includes pictures."

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Nah! Let's try something better... (5, Funny)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523507)

Well, fun would be in hiding a McIntosh motherboard inside an nonymous PC case. Now, *that* would puzzle the standard user. "Hey, how may I lower-right-side-button double-click with this mouse?" ;-)

Re:Nah! Let's try something better... (2, Funny)

g33ker (853100) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523517)

What? Mac with a 3 button mouse? ARGH!

Re:Nah! Let's try something better... (3, Funny)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523580)

Well, I think that the standard PC now have something like a 16-buttons--three-weels--four side-buttons mouse. Wait, I do have a graphic tablet with four buttons, but this doesn't count, I think.

Re:Nah! Let's try something better... (2, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523579)

Dont forget to add a couple loud ass case fans for authenticity and so they know its on.

Re:Nah! Let's try something better... (2, Funny)

martinX (672498) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523724)

Why would you put a home stereo system [mcintoshlabs.com] in a PC case?

Re:Nah! Let's try something better... (1)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523787)

A-ha! So nobody recalls the Mac original name here? LOL, I didn't think of the audio products. I *love* those amplifiers.

one comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523518)

and it's slahdotted already...

hmm..

But... (-1)

izx (460892) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523520)

...does it run Linux?

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523543)

Much better question: But does it run OS X?

That's the biggest thing the mini has going for it, really. That and low cost.

Re:But... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523601)

OS X sucks.

Tried it.

Dog slow.

Fuck, even GTK2 is faster, and that's the fucking worst toolkit I ever programmed with.

Glad I can work on Windows again.

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523811)

I guess you mean "tried it" as in you emulated it with PearPC then?

help anyone? (-1, Offtopic)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523522)

anyone out there want to help me out on getting the prerequisites to try this out? see my sig.

Need a review (1, Redundant)

fembots (753724) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523524)

Can we get tomshardware to do a review on this thing?

The deatils are so little, we don't really know about its weight, performance, heat issues and total cost. The only obvious thing is it doesn't have a CDROM.

And even if it is possible to build a PC the size of a Mini Mac with exactly the same specs (performance, weight, cost, color and whatnot), I bet not many people are going to rush out and get one soon.

Re:Need a review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523554)

http://www.epiacenter.com

http://www.mini-itx.com

Re:Need a review (0)

hostyle (773991) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523565)

And even if it is possible to build a PC the size of a Mini Mac with exactly the same specs (performance, weight, cost, color and whatnot)

Approximately, yes [unicomplabs.com] - not the manufacturers link, but its still the same damn PC. There are even smaller ones out, but not very mass-produced. But basically the Mac Mini is nothing new, just better marketted than anything similar.

Re:Need a review (4, Informative)

kc8apf (89233) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523668)

The Espresso does not even seem to come close to what a Mac mini offers performance wise. The specs you link to show that it has a max processor speed of 500Mhz. The Mac mini goes up to 1.4Ghz. They say that a celeron can go higher, but not 900Mhz higher.

The video card is also a 4MB card. The Mac mini has a ATI Radeon 9200 with 32MB of RAM. Again, a huge difference.

While the Espresso is in the right ballgame for size, weight, etc, performance is not even close.

Celeron != G4 (1, Interesting)

kaan (88626) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523821)

The specs you link to show that it has a max processor speed of 500Mhz. The Mac mini goes up to 1.4Ghz. They say that a celeron can go higher, but not 900Mhz higher.

And for sake of argument, even if the the celeron could get itself up 1.4ghz, it would not offer the same actual performance of a G4. This is the age-old argument about the architectures being so different that the clock speeds don't matter, but it cannot be stressed enough. The CISC-based Intel/AMD processors are not as efficient at getting work done as the RISC-based PowerPC processors.

I like the analogy of a person physically moving 1,000 boxes from one side of the house to the other. The CISC person might be able to get from one side to other (and back) in 2 seconds, but each time he does he can only carry a single box with him, so it would take 2,000 seconds to move all boxes. Whereas the RISC person might take 5 seconds to make the same round-trip distance, but each time he can carry 20 boxes, so it takes a total of 250 seconds (5 seconds * 1000 boxes / 20 boxes-per-trip). The numbers I used are not meant to exactly correlate to a Celeron vs. G4, but they convey the right idea - efficiency and speed are not equivalent.

Re:Need a review (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523682)

"Approximately, yes - not the manufacturers link, but its still the same damn PC." ... except that, given the specs on that page, the darn thing doesn't come with a CPU - you have to put in your own PIII. Plus you need an external Ethernet adapter since it doesn't have an Ethernet port.

It's not even close to being the same thing - nor does it appear that it's MEANT for the same audience.

C'mon, let's at least compare apples to Apples here.

Re:Need a review (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523752)

And even if it is possible to build a PC the size of a Mini Mac with exactly the same specs (performance, weight, cost, color and whatnot), I bet not many people are going to rush out and get one soon.

You're kidding, right? Bare bones small FF PCs have been going like hotcakes for the LAN party crowd.

The hard part, IMHO, is the video card. How do you duplicate the size of the Mac-Mini while getting high-end graphics? When someone figures that out then the PC version is going to fly off the shelf.

TW

Just Works + Tech support (1)

xtermin8 (719661) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523783)

Its big selling point is not its size, or even price, but that it works out of the box, with decent (relative to others at least) tech support. I'd like to see it compared to XBox2 instead of a PC, in fact I hope it catches on as a kind of TVpod- a dedicated media player for HDTV

Why ? (0, Flamebait)

rasz (788512) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523793)

Kevin Rose is an attention whore and should die quick. I dont like him and his stupid ideas + he is whoring himself on some stupid payTV ads for rednecks (photo resisting paint ? what an IDIOT)

How about a new server... (-1, Offtopic)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523528)

to replace the one that is smoking with 1 comment posted so far. I guess if the site runs off the PC mini, it must not have that great of specs compared to the mac. P2 perhaps?

MirrorDot link (1, Informative)

HellSpam (692342) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523530)

http://mirrordot.org/stories/6404fabef80b3d41d5894 e6b0d250d83/index.html The server is already pretty slow.

Re:MirrorDot link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523568)

Slashcode automatically adds spaces to long strings to prevent them from being useful in any way. Here's a clickable link [mirrordot.org] . There's some bug on sourceforge about this, but I'm sure it won't matter if anyone contributes to that, unless they actually include a patch (It's funny. Lots of griping, but no patches, for an open source product.)

Re:MirrorDot link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523588)

bad link? doesnt seem to be working...

Score: +5 insightful

Re:MirrorDot link (4, Informative)

hostyle (773991) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523607)

how hard was an actual non-mangled clickable link? [mirrordot.org] . Kind of a pity mirrordot is /.ed too

Re:MirrorDot link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523654)

Looks like it is at least as hard as your link is getting hammered.

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Re:MirrorDot link (2, Informative)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523621)

http://mirrordot.org/stories/6404fabef80b3d41d5894 e6b0d250d83/index.html The server is already pretty slow.

That's not a link, that's a URL. this [mirrordot.org] is a link.

Re:MirrorDot link (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523636)

hey, thanks man. mirrordot and i share the same immediate upliiiiiiiiinnnkkkkkkkkk

Re:MirrorDot link (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523700)

Looks like mirrordot got slammed too.

"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523534)

What I first saw...

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Apparently they fit Half-Life 2 inside the Mac Mini also. Is there anything hackers can't do?

Re:"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523627)

Get out side in the sunlight and/or get girl friends?

Re:"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523641)

Arrghhhh you HAD to go and call Kevin Rose a hacker didn't you......

Re:"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523684)

I'm sure he won't do it again... Must have been some bad influence at school. Damn whippersnappers!

My agrarian experience with Sun's NetPC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523537)

Plowing for several large companies, I'd always done my work on Windows. Recently however, a top online investment firm asked us to do some work using Sun Solar IS. The concept of having access to source code was very appealing to us, as we'd be able to modify the kernel to meet our exacting standards which we're unable to do with Microsoft's products.

Although we met several fertilization challenges along the way (specifically, Sun Solar IS's lack of Token Ring support and the fact that we were unable to defrag its ext2 file system), all in all the process went smoothly. Everyone was very pleased with Sun Solar IS, and we were considering using it for a great deal of future internal projects.

So you can imagine our suprise when we were informed by a labourer that we would be required to publish our source code for others to use. It was brought to our attention that Sun Solar IS is copyrighted under something called the GPL, or the GNU Preventive License. Part of this license states that any changes to the seed are to be made freely available. Unfortunately for us, this meant that the great deal of time and money we spent "touching up" Sun Solar IS to work for this investment firm would now be available at no cost to our competitors.

Furthermore, after reviewing this GPL our labourers advised us that any products compiled with GPL'ed tools - such as gcc - would also have to its source code released. This was simply unacceptable.

Although we had planned for no one outside of this company to ever use, let alone see the source code, we were now put in a difficult position. We could either give away our hard work, or come up with another solution. Although it was tought to do, there really was no option: We had to rewrite the code, from scratch, for Windows 2000.

I think the biggest thing keeping Sun Solar IS from being truly competitive with Microsoft is this GPL. Its mercurial requirements virtually guarentee that no business will ever be able to use it. After my experience with Sun Solar IS, I won't be recommending it to any of my associates. I may reconsider if Sun Solar IS switches its license to something a little more fair, such as Microsoft's "Shared Source". Until then its attempts to socialize the software market will insure it remains only a bit player.

I welcome you for your time.

Re:My agrarian experience with Sun's NetPC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523862)

What a crap troll. You replaced 'Linux' with 'Sun Solar IS' on an original, and didn't even update the licence. You fail it, retard.

they couldn't fit a cd drive (0)

gfody (514448) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523538)

that would be impossible

Re:they couldn't fit a cd drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523632)

...with that board...

There are other mini-ITX boards out there, though.

Re:they couldn't fit a cd drive (1)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523814)

that is a nano itx board, it hasnt even came out yet, ALL mini-itx boards are WAY to big for a mac mini.

news-o-matic (5, Funny)

LittleGuernica (736577) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523546)

Seems like Slashdot has the Mac mini-news-o-matic up and running at full speed. Not that I blame them, it's so hip it can barely see over it's pelvis...

Hips? A Pelvis? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523661)

It hardly even has rubber feet you insensitive clod!

...but seriously, I agree. It does seem a bit prompt to have Mac Mini news just >= 1 week after release.

slashdotted (0, Offtopic)

sh1ftay (822471) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523547)

2 comments and slashdotted... I'm guessing the server is being run on a box the size of a thimble.

Cramming a PC into a Shell not hacking. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523567)

Not that I don't think that's a cool or challenging thing to do, but how exactly is that a hack?

Re:Cramming a PC into a Shell not hacking. (4, Funny)

indianropeburn (669243) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523844)

well... he hacked off about 3/4" of his heat sink.

Why bother? (5, Funny)

spungo (729241) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523571)

There are some people in this world who should be removed in order to spare us their crushing banality.

Re:Why bother? (1)

GTownBeast (720737) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523637)

Why put Linux on every piece of electronics that exists? Because they can, and they enjoy doing things like that. If it's practical, so much the better.

Why do *you* bother? (1, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523658)

And then there are people who login to Slashdot merely to complain about how boring other Slashdotters are.

Re:Why do *you* bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523692)

No, you don't need to login on /., just keep the user cookie of the domain .slashdot.org!

Re:Why do *you* bother? (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523705)

Then there is this post where I'm having to point out the people who with loads of time on their hands,point out people who complain about other people who are boring as well! :)

Re:Why do *you* bother? (1)

Trespass (225077) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523829)

Well, some seem to log in to complain about people complaining...

but does it run OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523584)

Bet it's loud and gets hot. Probably doesn't have Bluetooth and Airport Extreme. He took out the CD drive. No firewire. Seems like a waste of a good mini.

It'd be a lot cooler if he fit it in an iPod.

Re:but does it run OS X? (1)

Paolo DF (849424) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523611)

After all, he can always ship the original motherboard over here, I'm sure that somebody would take very good care of it. ;-)

Re:but does it run OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523713)

"It'd be a lot cooler if he fit it in an iPod." Dude... You are an iPod!

Not Impressed (0, Troll)

mboverload (657893) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523594)

Tell me when they get a 3.4ghz P4 and a Radeon x850 in one of those.

Re:Not Impressed (1)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523792)

Tell me when you get a 3.4 ghz P4 and a Radeon x850 for $500.

So uh... (0, Redundant)

X43B (577258) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523604)

Is his website powered with this machine?

Re:So uh... (1)

kevcol (3467) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523763)

Not anymore.

Size matters (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523633)

power per square inch you get with the mini

That's what I keep trying to tell her. But it's all about size, size, size...

faster?!? (4, Informative)

ecloud (3022) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523640)

No way is a 1 GHz Via Nehemiah going to be faster than a 1.25 GHz G4. The mini is already one of the fastest PCs (personal computer, this includes macs by the way) that has been fit into such a small space.

I have an Epia system; to me it feels pretty anemic for its clock speed in comparison to say a PII or better.

Re:faster?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523753)

http://www.cappuccinopc.com/mocha.asp

"Socket 478 P4 400/533 FSB up to 2.8Ghz" on the Mocha 7043.... That would seriously kick the ass off of a 1.25Ghz G4.

Re:faster?!? (0)

Homology (639438) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523849)

No way is a 1 GHz Via Nehemiah going to be faster than a 1.25 GHz G4. The mini is already one of the fastest PCs (personal computer, this includes macs by the way) that has been fit into such a small space.

I have an Epia system; to me it feels pretty anemic for its clock speed in comparison to say a PII or better.

The newer Via C3 CPU's has special instructions for AES encryption (they call it PadLock), and will outperform a P4 3.0GHz. It will, of course, also outpeform a G4. In a gateway this hardware encryption is valuable. For instance, OpenBSD will transparently use Via encryption instructions.

Apples to Oranges (-1, Troll)

eyeball (17206) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523643)

What they fail to compare is the amount of computing power per square inch you get with the mini.

What they also fail to compare is the amount of bugs, security vulnerabilities, viruses, and spyware per square inch you get with a windows based PC.

Re:Apples to Oranges (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523669)

Troll

Re:Apples to Oranges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523745)

Thanks for the "insgihtful" comment there Apple store guy!

Re:Apples to Oranges (1)

theguywhosaid (751709) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523778)

What they also fail to compare is the amount of bugs, security vulnerabilities, viruses, and spyware per square inch you get with a windows based PC.

Because everything running on x86 is Windows®.

So.. (4, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523646)

It's lacking a CD drive, it's probably gonna overheat because he trimmed down the heat sync provided and it's a slower CPU... I say that the phrase we're all looking for is:

macMiniScore++;

Re:So.. (5, Funny)

indianropeburn (669243) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523790)

not to mention he rested his HD on top of the modified heat sink. i'm waiting for the update on this article which demonstrates video footage of accessing a folder, watching the hard drive spin up, then burst into flames.

Slashdotted- Coral P2P (0, Offtopic)

SirDrinksAlot (226001) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523650)

Seriously, we ned to start using the Coral P2P cacheing thing for all links on slashdot.

Would somebody PLEASE think of the servers!

It's not cached now but if it was!

Summary (4, Insightful)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523657)

From the article: "Additional thoughts: Due to size restrictions, fitting a CD-ROM drive in the mini enclosure would be impossible with this motherboard. Luckily, this motherboard supports pretty much every external bootable device, including bootable CD-ROM and USB thumb drives."

You should not only fit a CD-ROM, but actually a DVD-RW combo. In other words, you have failed to fit a PC in Mac Mini, so comparing its speed or price is quite pointless. I hate to say it as a PC user, but the result of this experiment is clear: Mac: 1, PC: 0.

Naaah. (2, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523858)

the result of this experiment is clear: Mac: 1, PC: 0.

Nonsense. Give Dell or HP a little time and motivation, and I'm sure they could pull it off. Hell, maybe IBM has a patent rotting in a drawer somewhere to help this kind of thing.

The result of this experiment is more like:

Lame tinkerers with way too much time: 0
Everyone else: 1

The devil's work (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523663)

So he takes everything inside the case that makes a Mac a Mac, guts it, and puts in everything that Apple hopes people are leaving behind for the Mac.

I have to admit, it has a kind of black symmetry to it.

Detailed Instructions... [-100: troll] (-1, Troll)

ABeowulfCluster (854634) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523664)

1. Open up a Mini Mac. 2. Throw out the useless mac crap. 3. ....

Re:Detailed Instructions... [-100: troll] (1)

Carthag (643047) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523746)

3. Insert even less useful "PC crap"

How was this modded insightful?

Re:Detailed Instructions... [-100: troll] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523776)

3. Profit?

Apparently they never heard of the Cappuccino PC (5, Interesting)

onelin (116589) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523671)

The http://www.cappuccinopc.com/ [cappuccinopc.com] has been out long before the Mac Mini, and the original was even a smaller form-factor, with modern P4 variants just slightly larger.

Anyway, this whole article is missing the point. Cheap OS X is good for everybody! I wouldn't buy a PC that small even though there's the option...

Re:Apparently they never heard of the Cappuccino P (2, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523781)

Unfortunately the cappuchino PC is woefully underpowered at a mere 500Mhz and with onboard 4MB graphics rather than a Radeon 9200 with 32MB.

But, yes, you're right - the point of the mini is to get a nice reasonably powerful box that takes up no space, costs very little and runs OS X.

Coincidence? (4, Interesting)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523672)

The Mac mini box is 16.5 cm along the edges. Compare that to the mini-ITX PC boards that are 17x17 cm.

I guess Apple decided to give all those nerds that insist on "upgrading" their Macs with a PC mobo a challenge. :) /greger

Re:Coincidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523799)

And if you actually read the f'ing article, you'll see that he used a VIA Nano-ITX board [viaembedded.com] . It's 12x12 cm. Not much of a "challenge", you pointlessly smug Apple crackmonkey, you. :)

The only difficulty was making the CPU's heatsink fit inside the case - so he trimmed it with a hacksaw and installed a fan to insure adequate cooling.

Now Perhaps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523673)

Now perhaps he should make the mini his server!!!

ScreenSavers (1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523678)

The first worthwhile thing G4 has done since Leo left.

You want me because of my .. referral? (5, Insightful)

teeheehee (12647) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523683)

Call me Rip Van Winkle, because I must have taken a nap for too long and missed out on the beginning of perhaps the most annoying, selfish comments to hit blogdom. It's like the freakin' Avon of the Internet on that page with everyone trying to get referrals for their own mini Mac.

Give the man props for his work on his site, don't be a smarmy pissant and use the popularity of his work to increase your chances at winning a Mac mini. If it's so precious and you have to have it, sell your current machine, get a part time job, and actually make the $500 it takes to buy the thing.

I am curious as to how many blog sites have a commenting community with so much self-zeal. I feel sorry for the frequent site visitors, who must find it necessary to wash themselves vigorously with soap and scalding hot water.

What he should really do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523688)

...is try to stuff in an Apple //c motherboard or something. He'd have to modify the port holes on the back, but at least people would still be safe from spyware and viruses!

Re:What he should really do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523802)

I know people who do things like these want "nerd street cred", rather than just getting things done... but if you want to run Apple II software, you can simply run KEGS.

- http://kegs.sourceforge.net/

wow, unusual (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523703)

That isnt in the slightest bit useful.

This "hack" is incredibly lame and is nowhere near the functionality of a minimac.

Oh yeah, /., you suck Apple's nutsack for all this coverage. If there was a human oral sex chain spelling out "Apple" you can bet /. would be all over it with 3 different stories.

TechTV (1)

asv108 (141455) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523707)

Is still on the air? Before the Comcast merger, I did tivo the Screensavers. I have never seen a product or company turn to such complete and utter crap, so quickly almost instantly, after a merger.

Re:TechTV (1)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523824)

I agree. The Screensavers said goodbye to most of the truly knowledgable members of the staff. Now looks like MTV for the dork generation. While this only slightly peeves me, they then killed Unscrewed, which honestly was the second best show they had behind X-play. The only real benefit I've seen is they seem to only show Robot Wars half as much as Tech TV did before the merger.

Look (5, Funny)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523709)

Look everyone! I've figured out how to put my Ford engine, stereo, and electrical system into my Porche! Read all the details at www.whywouldiwanttodothis.com

Been there, done that, spent less (0, Troll)

JimmyJava (774754) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523715)

Re:Been there, done that, spent less (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523807)

Um... No...

5.82"(W) x 10.0"(D) x 2.79"(H)

Failed: Mac Mini to PC Hack (5, Insightful)

lax-goalie (730970) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523721)

I thought this was cool, until the "can't fit a CD-ROM" part.

All this proves is you can fit a lower-powered nano-ITX mobo in the same case as a Mac Mini, and power it up. But it's not the same, nor even complete...

It was a cool experiment, but not a sucessful one... Hat's off to the Mac design team for shoving that much stuff into such a small box.

No CD/DVD (2, Informative)

jonbrewer (11894) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523743)

Due to size restrictions, fitting a CD-ROM drive in the mini enclosure would be impossible with this motherboard.

I'd say his project failed. The whole idea of such a device is to not have all sorts of other bricks (like external media) plugged in. Esp if it is to sit next to the nice 36" LCD TV (of course using DVI connector) and act as a media box.

This could have been better (1)

ulcer_boy (675343) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523748)

I've been anxiously waiting for the Nano-ITX motherboard (http://www.viaembedded.com/product/epia_N_spec.js p?motherboardId=221 [viaembedded.com] ).

No, it doesn't have firewire but it supports up to 6 USB 2.0 ports.

No, his version doesn't have WiFi or Bluetooth but there is a Mini-PCI slot to add those things yourself (for far less than Apple would charge).

Also, there are some configurations of the board that are fanless. It's a shame that Kevin hadto use a board with such a huge fan/heatsink because that consumed most of the space inside the case and adds noise. If he used a fanless version he could have had plenty of room for a Slimline slot-loading optical drive.

I'm not trying to discount the Mac Mini (I'd love to have one) but I also think people should understand the potential of the Nano-ITX motherboard. It's soon going to be showing up in a lot of cars, entertainment centers, etc...

enough with the free minis! (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523785)

Good lord, every other entry in the discussions below that linked story were "click me for free mac mini". Idiots and their pyramid schemes...

surely you mean cubic inch (1)

lethe1001 (606836) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523794)

What they fail to compare is the amount of computing power per square inch you get with the mini

Um, the computer takes up a 3 dimensional volume, so the proper measure is power per cubic inch. You could make the power per square inch anything you want just by changing the height and footprint, it's arbitrary. So that's a meaningless measure.

You need power per cubic inch.

Cool, but I see there are caveats,,, (1)

@madeus (24818) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523805)

I think it's cool [mirrordot.org] , but there are significant caveats acknowledged in the linked story not mentioned in the article above.

The Nano-ITX motherboard used is not commercially avalible - and it will not be avalible for general sale for some months yet. The author points outs that even using this yet-to-be released motherboard, there was no room for a CD/DVD drive. It also does not feature a built in modem or a 'Firewire' port (but I don't think that's a big deal). It doesn't appear to feature WiFi or Bluetooth either, but there certainly seems room to fit them easily.

It features a 1 Ghz Via C3 CPU (and either a Via or S3 graphics card), so performance could be a problem if you wish to use this as a 'home entertainment' device (or well, pretty much anything other than a low traffic headless sever or simple web browsing/email device IMO, YMMV).

On the plus side it appears to have S-Video, Composite and VGA output (no DVI, but a lot more useful to most people I'd think), additional input and output audio interfaces and two SODIMM slots (which I think is better than than the single DIMM on the Mac Mini, but again YMMV).

It's all in the stuffing (5, Funny)

Rob Wilco (640187) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523819)

Wow. Now all he has to do is cram a SPARC inside the PC inside the Mac Mini and he'll have Electronic Turducken.

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Put a Mac-mini in an XBox =XBox2 (1)

xtermin8 (719661) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523836)

You could even set up darWine or some other sort of emulator on it and tell people its a prototype for the XBox 2. Nah..., that's just too evil!

what about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523838)

There are some pretty small ultra sub notebooks out there that are pc's and they include screen + power source!

Info? (1)

evil_posmaster (640971) | more than 8 years ago | (#11523841)

He has a bunch un unrelated picks - doesn't even show the "stuff" inside the case. Just makes up a "plausible story" This is just like the PC in a G5 case...

What About Heat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11523857)

The Nehemiah runs cool, but with minimal airflow...

Fitting the parts into the box is one thing, getting it to run for extended periods is another. Apple puts a lot of work into thermal modeling, and this drives a lot of their component selection and layout. This guy glued together a bunch of off-the-shelf components.

There is mention of adding an additional fan. Well, where do you put it, what does it blow over, and where does the air come from and vent to?

Do we believe this thing won't cook itself to death? And if we need to add a fan will it be as quiet as the Mac (which is pretty close to silent)?

I'm skeptical.
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