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AMD Launches Turion Mobile Processor

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the silly-chip-names dept.

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justforaday writes "Earlier today, AMD launched their Turion mobile processor, which is based on the AMD64 architecture. This is set to compete directly with Intel's Centrino (Pentium-M) line of processors. Chips will initially be clocked between 1.6 and 2.0 GHz. Looks like we should be seeing some nice low-powered 64-bit notebooks in the near future."

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People who buy Intel (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905517)

Like getting shafted.

Availability (3, Interesting)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905519)

In my town of 1.5M people, I haven't managed to find a store that sells AMD-powered laptop. We must be the forgotten ones.

Re:Availability (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905566)

They have this new thing called the internet. It sells you stuff and things.

Re:Availability (1)

Matthaeus (156071) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905706)

But he already said he doesn't have a laptop! How's he going to get on the internet, doofus?

Yes, this is sarcasm.

Re:Availability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905583)

Before this came out (and we haven't seen the benchmarks yet), why the hell would you want one?

Forbidden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905586)

That's because AMD would get into big trouble if they sold these in Pyongyang.

Re:Availability (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905614)


Come on. The diversity in HW-business has lost lots. Have a look at NetBSD's supported architectures. The most of them are sadly dead. HP gave up alpha, Sun is panicing and running to x86_64/Linux, the only two players that managed to bring something new are IBM, and the Power-architecture, and Apple with the G5-way. But Intel's Itanium is quite dead, though AMD is coming up, the Opteron is worth a look. Give them a little time, let diversity have a comeback.

Re:Availability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905649)

You realise that the G5 is Power architecture don't you?

And, only Sun's low-end systems are x86_64. The high-end Sun Fire beasts are still SPARC-based.

Re:Availability (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905808)

You realise that the G5 is Power architecture don't you?

erm, yes, you could be right there I guess.

And, only Sun's low-end systems are x86_64. The high-end Sun Fire beasts are still SPARC-based.

Yes, yet. But I am not anymore sure how long, I mean have a look at how the old/great/noble Sun with his lordly Sparcs, and high-ends is rushing to make business out of the x86/linux market. I mean I hope I am wrong with this, and do really wish a sparc/solaris(10) comeback.

Re:Availability (1)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905674)

You live in a "town of 1.5M people" and you don't have a Best Buy [bestbuy.com] ?

Not that I like Best Buy.

You *could* order one from that thar intarweb, too.

Re:Availability (2, Informative)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905680)

HP/Compaq sell AMD-based notebooks. Gateway/eMachines sell AMD-based notebooks. Fujitsu sells AMD-based notebooks. Sony has sold AMD-based notebooks, although I can't speak about their current line-up. All four of these comapnies have their products available in large consumer electronics stores such as Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, etc.

In fact, the only big-name companies who don't seem to offer AMD notebooks are Dell (obviously), Toshiba, and IBM. Toshiba's the only one of that group that even sells through retail channels anymore.

Where do you live?

Laptop (-1, Redundant)

elementary_penguin (810388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905522)

Now I can finally get a new laptop.

Re:Laptop (1)

alienspanke (828386) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905593)

"Now I can finally get a new laptop"

---Why now, the AMD will be no better or more capable than Intels Centrino chips. And the Centrino clocks at a higher 2.2.

Also there's no on-board WLAN adaptor dispite AMD's attempt to market the Turions "wireless compatibilty".

I'm gonna stick with Intel.

Question (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905523)

This may seem like a silly question, but won't that only be useful if the laptop is going to have more than 4GB of memory? How often does that happen?

Re:Question (2, Informative)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905563)

mine currently has 2GB, and it was purchased last year.....

so > 4G won't be all that far away.

But apart from that, there's more advantages to Athlon64 than the AMD64 instructions (which you're not going to be able to take advantage of right now anyway unless you're running Linux).

Re:Question (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905702)

But apart from that, there's more advantages to Athlon64 than the AMD64 instructions (which you're not going to be able to take advantage of right now anyway unless you're running Linux).


And I thought the only people buying AMD64 CPUs *were* Linux users ;-)

Re:Question (5, Informative)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905609)

There are other advantages, namely the additions to the x86 ISA that fix some of its shortcomings. There are 8 more general-purpose registers and 8 more SIMD registers.

Re:Question (1)

delirium of disorder (701392) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905721)

Might not be that common now, but the ammount of RAM necessary for the latest applications is always increesing. I've looked at SPARC based laptops with dual processors and 16GB of RAM. 64-bit is definitly necessary if you are looking at the high end.

Check it out.
http://www.partnersdata.com/cgi-bin/searchit em?id= 8434

If you don't want to bother to get a quote, one of these configured with just about all the extras will run you $46,933 according to a quote I got.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905750)

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that current x86 machines can address over 4GB of ram as it is. Linux supports 64GB already, if I'm not mistaken.

Re:Question (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906041)

Let's see here:
log(64 gb)= log(1Gb)+log(64)=36 bits, so you're probably thinking of Intel's "Physical Address Extension" scheme, which allows programmers to mess around with 16 memory segments, each of 4 gb. 64 bit chips (such as the Athlon64, POWER, Sparc, and Alpha) can address large amounts of unsegmented memory-- the PowerPC 970, for instance, can address up to 4096 gigs of memory, as it has a 42 bit address bus.

On a PAE system, processes still can only address a certain amount of memory (3 GB, default), though you can configure your system to push the kernel out of the way and onto a different memory segment. This slows down syscalls, though.

Re:Question (1)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905753)

This may seem like a silly question, but won't that only be useful if the laptop is going to have more than 4GB of memory? How often does that happen?

As often as it does in game consoles.

But, let us imagine for a moment, that some breakthrough in memory technology allows for a high-density, non-volatile, high-speed, random access memory. At this point, we can just stuff 10 or 20GB of this new NVRAM in the machine and not worry about a hard drive and its power consumption.

Re:Question (1)

Bun (34387) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905806)

32-bit processors are limited to addressing 4GB in TOTAL, including paged RAM (swap files or partitions). With a 64-bit operating system, an AMD64 laptop will be able to fully address 2GB of physical RAM and another 20TB or so of paged RAM (if your hard drive is big enough). Also, it gets you by the 2BG per-process limit of 32-bit Windows applications. Not a bad thing, IMHO. I don't know who is likely to need that kind memory in a mobile platform today, but in the not-so-far future it could be a necessity. See this article [lostcircuits.com] for an example of the advantages of 64-bit architectures in a photographic manipulation application.

Re:Question (2, Informative)

Bloater (12932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905901)

As bersl points out, there are other advantages. But I'd like to correct a common misconception - the 32 bit PC chips from (I think) Pentium pro onward from intel, and some time later from the other pc chip manufacturers, support much more than 4GB even though they only support 32 bit addresses in the CPU registers. 32 bits limit any given process on an OS such as Linux or Windows to 4GB of addresses at any one time. Although how much of that can be mapped to real storage is OS and OS version dependent. The AMD 64 initialy provides a virtual memory address space of 2^18 GB, but that is not directly related to the amount of physical memory that can be operated by an OS. apparently that 2^18 (262144) GB may be extended to 2^34 (17179869184) GB in later models.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11906061)

nah, 64-bit registers are excellent for floating point operations, and they're way more fun to write assembly for...

price points (2, Interesting)

bwthomas (796211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905526)

AMD Turion 64 mobile technology models ML-37, ML-34, ML-32, ML-30, MT-34, MT-32, and MT-30 are priced at $354, $263, $220, $184, $268, $225 and $189 respectively, in 1,000-unit quantities.

Doesn't this seem like a high price for bulk chips?

Re:price points (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905582)

Doesn't this seem like a high price for bulk chips?

No. How long have you been following CPU pricing? It's always high for the first offerings. By this time next year you'll see half that line discontinued and the remainder heavily discounted.

Rule #1 regarding technology: As soon as it hits store shelves, it's already obsolete.

Too much embedded crap (1)

scenestar (828656) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905534)

I personally hate these so called "mobile solutions".

Whatever happened to just adding a better battery and a pcmia card.
Sure, the average businessjock might like it, but for the average techy geek its just a extra set of bios tweaks in order to turn all these "handy features" off.

I wouldn't call this progress.

Re:Too much embedded crap (1)

Dashing Leech (688077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905855)

"Whatever happened to just adding a better battery and a pcmia card."

I'd say the exact opposite. To me, progress is doing something more efficiently. Adding a better battery is like saying progress in automobiles is best achieved by leaving them as gas-guzzlers and giving them bigger tanks. If a computer can do just as much with less power consumption, and produce less heat, I'm all for it. I hate wasting energy, especially since I pay for a lot of it. Other benefits of lower power and/or heat generation are less fan time (annoying noise) and a smaller and lighter power supply.

Cool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905539)

Goodbye burnt cock!

I'm Waiting For Benchmarks (3, Insightful)

periol (767926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905543)

It's not like AMD has been stellar in the mobile processor world before this. Centrino has been a no-brainer for a while in the laptop world.

Re:I'm Waiting For Benchmarks (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905709)

Yeah, a no-brainer. Anyone who buys anything other than AMD has no brains.

Re:I'm Waiting For Benchmarks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905812)

Does that mean the fact that I bought an Acer Aspire 1513LMi with 64bit 3400+, 15" TFT, GeforceFX Go5700 64MB, 60GB hard drive, DVD+-RW, 802.11g, gigabit ethernet etc. etc. etc. mean that I have no brains? Ha ha ha ha!!! Keep your piddly centrino laptop, I have real work to do.

Re:I'm Waiting For Benchmarks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905835)

Does that mean the fact that I bought an Acer Aspire 1513LMi with 64bit 3400+, 15" TFT, GeforceFX Go5700 64MB, 60GB hard drive, DVD+-RW, 802.11g, gigabit ethernet etc. etc. etc. mean that I have no brains?

Yes. It certainly does.

Re:I'm Waiting For Benchmarks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905981)

Acer?! LOL, riiiight. I think we know who does not have any brains here.

Acer is the Hyundai of the computer world.

AMD launches 64-bit Turion processor for notebooks (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905553)

Article without the annoying green advertisement links.

Expected to Launch Notebook PCs Worldwide in Coming Months

AMD today introduced AMD Turion 64 mobile technology, the latest in a succession of computing innovations based on the industry-leading AMD64 architecture. AMD Turion 64 mobile technology is uniquely optimized to bring award-winning AMD64 performance to thinner and lighter notebook PCs with longer battery life, enhanced security, and compatibility with the latest graphics and wireless solutions, both today and tomorrow.


Together with industry-leading partners, AMD enables a best-in-class ecosystem of open industry-standard technologies, helping PC manufacturers to deliver feature-rich systems that satisfy the variety of ways in which people use their notebooks.

"By embracing a broad partner community and industry standards, AMD is both providing choice and stimulating innovation," said Roger Kay, vice president of Client Computing at IDC.

"We have unleashed 64-bit mobile performance, allowing business professionals and on-the-go consumers to explore the freedom of mobile productivity with AMD Turion 64 mobile technology," said Marty Seyer, corporate vice president and general manager, Microprocessor Business Unit, Computation Products Group, AMD. "This is just the first of many innovations that we are planning to pioneer with this new product family made for mobility, choice and best-in-class notebook designs."

Leading global manufacturers, hardware vendors and software suppliers have expressed support for AMD Turion 64 mobile technology. "Fujitsu welcomes AMD Turion 64 mobile technology innovation, and we congratulate AMD on their success," said Mr. Kazuhiro Igarashi, general manager, Mobile PC Division, Personal Business Group for Fujitsu Limited.

Business professionals and consumers worldwide can expect to see notebooks based on AMD Turion 64 mobile technology starting later this month in retail stores and through commercial distribution channels. The first systems are expected from Acer worldwide and Fujitsu Siemens Computers throughout Europe.

"We have had a great deal of success with our Ferrari branded notebooks based on AMD64 technology," said Walter Deppeler, senior corporate vice president, Acer Inc. "We look forward to continued success with our forthcoming notebook designs based on AMD Turion 64 mobile technology."

"As the leading European IT provider, we offer our customers world-class computing technology," said Herbert Schonebeck, Vice President Business Unit Consumer, Fujitsu Siemens Computers. "We are introducing innovative consumer notebook PCs based on AMD Turion 64 mobile technology to provide our customers efficient platforms to connect from virtually anywhere."

In addition, ASUS, Averatec, BenQ, MSI and Packard Bell are among the leading, global computer manufacturers who have indicated they will support AMD Turion 64 mobile technology.

Availability

AMD Turion 64 mobile technology models ML-37, ML-34, ML-32, ML-30, MT-34, MT-32, and MT-30 are available immediately worldwide.

In order to help consumers and business professionals simplify their notebook purchasing decisions, AMD Turion 64 mobile technology uses a new series of model numbers designed to provide a simple designation of both relative performance and degree of mobility within the processor family. The two letters of this model number indicate processor class, with the second letter designating increasing degree of mobility, as measured by power consumption.(a) As the second letter approaches the end of the alphabet, "higher" letters indicate greater mobility. The numbers indicate relative performance within the processor class. Higher numbers indicate higher relative performance among the AMD Turion 64 mobile technology family.

Pricing

AMD Turion 64 mobile technology models ML-37, ML-34, ML-32, ML-30, MT-34, MT-32, and MT-30 are priced at $354, $263, $220, $184, $268, $225 and $189 respectively, in 1,000-unit quantities.

What I'm interested in... (4, Interesting)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905555)

Are any of the major motherboard manufacturers going to put out a micro-ATX or smaller desktop motherboard for this to build a media PC upon?

Re:What I'm interested in... (3, Informative)

HoneyBunchesOfGoats (619017) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905646)

DFI and AOpen both make boards. See http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q1/dfi-855gm e-mgf/index.x?pg=1 [techreport.com] and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1728546 ,00.asp [extremetech.com] for reviews of each.

Re:What I'm interested in... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906068)

How is this informative? Those are Pentium-M boards. We're talking about Turions here. They're not even out yet.

Re:What I'm interested in... (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905918)

You can find them, for these and the Pentium-M. They're not cheap though - neither the motherboards nor the processors.

If you want to keep it affordable, you'll have to check Transmeta or VIA, though they lack a bit in performance.

Low Power? Better Link (2, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905557)

Looks like we should be seeing some nice low-powered 64-bit notebooks in the near future."

First, why such a lame link for this post? Here's a more informative one [eweek.com] Editors, sheesh!

Ok, let's look at this without the rose coloured glasses:

64 bit CPUs
25 - 35 watts (peak)

Better get used to lugging a massive battery if you plan to really get the most out of that 64 bit CPU. Honestly, why else would you have a laptop with such a race horse in it if you weren't going to be using it to its capacity? Ok, maybe you're one of the few who run a fully 64 bit OS (probly Linux) with fully 64 bit apps (did yer own builds targeted at AMD64 instructions) and you really need the full addressing, but won't be using all the ponies. Odds are, you'll be an early adopter for somewhat nebulous reasons. Cool, but not essential

Re:Low Power? Better Link (4, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905666)

that's not too bad, compared to the 25w of intel's pentium-m.

also remember than intel understates their peak power while amd overstates theirs. dont recall who did the test, i think it was the german c't mag who found the discrepancies between claimed and actual power consumption.

Re:Low Power? Better Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905687)

laptops make nice replacements for a desktopm where space is at a premium, where you can use the power for intensive tasks, the mobility feature in being a laptop comes in as a nice bonus.

Re:Low Power? Better Link (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905738)

laptops make nice replacements for a desktopm where space is at a premium, where you can use the power for intensive tasks, the mobility feature in being a laptop comes in as a nice bonus.

I use a laptop as my primary workstation. The downside is they usually have much slower bus speed, which you tend to notice when loading windows apps or large files.

Re:Low Power? Better Link (5, Insightful)

doormat (63648) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905809)

Better get used to lugging a massive battery if you plan to really get the most out of that 64 bit CPU.

What? Peak use is 25W-35W. Pentium Ms use 22W, but then you also have a northbridge and a southbridge. Whereas most Athlon-64 based (and therefore Turion 64) have only one other chip (other than the CPU). At the least, they're about the same in terms of power usage.

Pretty smart processor naming... (5, Funny)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905569)

If you tell someone about your computer processor, and you cough slightly while you say the processor name, you end up with a Turing machine. If only it were true...

Re:Pretty smart processor naming... (4, Funny)

Jerf (17166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905633)

you end up with a Turing machine. If only it were true...

You want a Turing Machine in your laptop?

Me, I find lugging that infinite tape around a real bitch.

Re:Pretty smart processor naming... (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905711)

The Turing Machine does not specify an infinite tape - it specifies that if more tape is required it must be available - so your laptop must instead be able to produce tape at any time it needs it.

Pretty corny processor naming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905785)

What's next... the Hardion?

Alan Turing laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905836)

I'm not quite sure I want something named after Alan Turing sitting on my lap.

Intel / AMD = Microsoft / ??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905570)

I really wish we could complete that ratio.

No, I'm not saying that Intel is as bad as Microsoft (although those recent anti-trust actions might make one wonder). I'm just saying that look how well things have turned out for the consumer on the processor front because there's a viable alternative.

Wouldn't it be cool to have a competitor for Microsoft the way AMD competes with Intel?

Re:Intel / AMD = Microsoft / ??? (1)

SelectionShort (841117) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905822)

What about Apple? They about to be a lot bigger competitor. And then there's linux too. There is a lot of competition but only we (Slashdot readers) pay attention to them.

Willy G

Re:Intel / AMD = Microsoft / ??? (2, Interesting)

Elranzer (851411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905853)

IMO the ration seems to be... Intel/AMD/IBM = Windows/Linux/MaxOSX

Some Like it Hot, not Me Though (2, Interesting)

slipnslidemaster (516759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905579)



Is there any information on it's thermal output? Is there a reference design for how laptops should be designed to handle the heat?

I'm in the market for a new tablet and while I love it, the Pentium M that I'm currently using turns my lap into a puddle of skin and rayon within a few minutes. I'm due for an upgrade and since AMD is always a leap or two ahead of Intel, I'm wondering about the heat.

Any thoughts?

Now then Apple ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905594)

... get your shit together and give me my g'damn G5 Powerbook!

they should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905670)

... get your shit together and give me my g'damn G5 Powerbook!

They should think seriously about it. Apple has always had great laptops, but in the last couple of years the x86 has progressed a lot. I don't really know if buying a powerbook with a G4 CPU really pays off, when compared with latest's encarnations of pentium-m or the one from this announcement. It's not 64 bit, it's just the whole thing - the pentium-m "II" looks very very nice and G4 is...well, a bit old, and may I say "slower"?

Re:Now then Apple ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905692)

Amen!

So that means... (3, Funny)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905600)

...my new laptop won't lower sperm count [medicalnewstoday.com] ? Seriously, I can't stand putting a hot laptop on (oddly enough) my lap, so they become tabletops instead for me.

These Turions better generate less heat or I'd have lost all hope. And feeling in my groin.

Re:So that means... (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905683)

You know, your right. I think maybe the women of the world must have conceived laptop computers--they are infinitely more suited to such devices. They don't have to worry about sperm count, fried leg hair, and plus, anyone whose witnessed a mom/wife/etc. cooking knows that women are more resistant to heat in general.

Of course, on the flip side, it could be a ploy by men to ensure the continuing presence of female secretaries/administrative assistants...

Re:So that means... (2, Informative)

klevin (11545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905908)

The vast majority of sperm killed by using a laptop on your lap are because the the heat buildup caused by sitting with your legs pressed together (something like 75% of the increase in temp). The laptop contributes relativley little to the heat buildup.

Any guy who routinely sits with his legs pressed together (as opposed to the common, more relaxed posture) runs a higher risk of infertility/low sperm count.

Silent computing applications (5, Insightful)

apharov (598871) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905602)

This should be a very interesting product for the silent computing community (check SilentPCRReview [silentpcreview.com] ) if some manufacturer decides to make desktop motherboards for it. People are already using Mobile Athlon XP's and Pentium-M's in desktop computers because of their relatively low heat output.

My own wish would be to some day have a passively air cooled computer. Running an Athlon64 passively with only one big slow (=nearly silent) case fan is already feasible with carefully managed airflow inside the computer case. Turion could be theoretically cool enough to cool with convection airflow if the potential is realized with wellmade motherboards.

Re:Silent computing applications (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905793)

I have one of those "passively cooled" computers. It's called a 486.

Heat? (1)

Cannedbread (841645) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905624)

my p3 1ghz laptop has problems with overheating, luckily its out of warranty. With AMD chips running at the temperatures they do, it will be interesting to see how these laptops manage to stay cool. my balls cant handle anything that hot so im staying away

Re:Heat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905765)

"AMD chips running at the temperature they do"? What temperature is that? Do you have any idea? Or are you just parroting the stupid crap people have been spouting ever since some idiot showed us that yes, if you remove a processor's heatsink, bad things happen?

In case you're wondering, the hottest processors available now are from Intel, clocking in at a toasty 100 watts. Intel's planned dual core processors are predicted to achieve a full 130 watts. AMD's hottest processors don't break 90. This chip runs at 35 under maximum load. This is very comparable to a G4, so laptops built on it will probably resemble powerbooks in their heat output.

Digital AlphaBook - 64 bit notebook in 1998 (5, Interesting)

BiggRanger (787488) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905643)

I have a Digital AlphaBook, the first 64 bit notebook computer! 266 MHz Alpha Processor (EV4 I think) 128 Meg RAM, and runs OpenVMS! Best of all I got it back in 1998. Nobody was even thinking 64 bit desktops back then. And you know what, it still rocks. I've rebuilt the battery pack and still use it today. You should see poeples face when VMS is booting up and it goes into the DEC windows manager.

Re:Digital AlphaBook - 64 bit notebook in 1998 (3, Interesting)

msbsod (574856) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906018)

Too bad they don't make them anymore! The future for a new OpenVMS/Itanium notebook looks extremely bad. HP does not want to kick Microsoft's a$$ with a real good operating system for the desktop and notebook market. And Intel dropped all plans to produce an Itanium for desktop machines (Itanium was suppose to be The 64-bit replacement for the Pentium!), not to mention any plans for a notebook version of the Itanium. AMD understands that a processor has to cover a broad market. Well done, AMD!

Turion (1)

kihjin (866070) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905655)

Vegetables... what's next, candy? I think I see a marketing idea here... anyone looking for a Chocolate Chip?

Re:Turion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905828)

Actually they dropped the D in turdion...

Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905656)

Yeah I am looking forward to those HOT Lenovo laptops running that chip and Gentoo!

Hype64 (1, Insightful)

itedo (845220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905668)

I just bought a notebook (IBM Thinkpad R51) and I am pretty happy with that (FreeBSD runs on it perfectly).

But why the heck are they putting 64bit in a mobile computer? Well, we are living in a consuming world of almost two types: buy-and-throw-away and buy-although-you-don't-know-what's-it-good-for

How ridiculous..

Re:Hype64 (2, Insightful)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905870)

Maybe because you gain more than you lose by going to the 90nm 64bit architecture? It's faster and cooler than the chip it replaces. It just happens to be 64bit at well.

It's not like AMD just said "hey, lets blow some smoke up the consumers arse and put a 64 bit processor in a laptop!". If you hadn't noticed they've been moving in this direction for say, a couple years now.

Re:Hype64 (1)

itedo (845220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905980)

Of course, the 64bit Notebook was inevitable. But I tend to a common sense, not to a marketing strategy.

The priority of a good notebook is of course performance and mobility - not being bloated with less or even unsupported technologies.

1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (2, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905693)

The reason why Pentium-M is as performant as it is is in part because it has 2MB of on-die cache. Don't expect miracles from a chip that has a half or even one fourth of that.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905843)

L2 size is _far_ the only measurement of CPU performance. Also, the first generation of Pentium M had only 1MB of L2.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905900)

Insightful?! This joker doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905917)

Just remember the thing about cache, more doesn't always equal better. Remember that the more cache you have, the more addressing you have to do to properly manage it, and that takes prescious time.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (3, Informative)

ChronosJB (864841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905974)

Umm...the performance benefit of that 2MB L2 cashe is not that much better than 1MB. It is maybe a 3-7% increase in performance. Granted that is Intel vs. Intel not Intel vs. AMD since AMD just released this CPU. AMD CPUs have usually shown better efficiency when it has come down to computation power with 512kb and 1MB L2 cashe and Intel has had troubles even with 2MB L2 cashe due to the memory controler being on the motherboard and not on the CPU.

If AMD were to up their L2 cashe to 2MB or higher, the performance gain would probably be about the same as Intel's, 3-7% increase per 1MB increase.

We will see who the real mobile CPU winner is once we get some benchmarks to compare, but until then we are all speculating as to which CPU is better.

The replies are all true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11906030)

The parent poster has no clue.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (5, Informative)

Tarqwak (599548) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906078)

2 MB L2 cache doesn't do much by itself, give that Dothan core a 533 MHz FSB instead of the 400 MHz Banias was on and it starts to shine (and of course the power consumption goes up too). Speaking of which, AMD Turion 64 (and Athlon 64) have memory controller in the core not in north bridge like Intel processors, so that 25/35W CPU power envelope includes MC overhead too.

BTW, most 512 kB L2 Athlon 64 CPUs run circles over P4 3.6+ GHz with 2 MB cache in gaming benches, so cache alone means squat ;)

And it looks like it's going to be two years [ixbt.com] until Pentium M range gets 64-bit core. AMD Turion 64 already has 16/16 INT/XMM registers, SSE/SSE2/SSE3 support etc.

Re:1MB max of L2 cache - suckage (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906110)

L1 cache is more important than L2. FAR more important. Pentium-M has 32+32kB. Turion has 64+64kB. In case you didn't notice, that's twice as much. (Your math was ok on the L2 cache, but still...) Don't expect miracles from P-M, a chip that has half as much L1 as the Turion.

Intel fanboys will love it (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905742)

AMD shot itself in the foot. Look at how the Intel fanboys will murder the name: "Hmm... Centrino or Turdion?"

Re:Intel fanboys will love it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905788)

Cuntrino.

Anyone that lowers themselves to pointless name calling of opponents products in their fanboi world automatically forfeits any argument.

Re:Intel fanboys will love it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905891)

Cuntrino

FIGURE 1.1: An example of Anti-AMD ownage.

Re:Intel fanboys will love it (1)

ChronosJB (864841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11906050)

LMAO! That is so true...I have been in local computer stores and listened to uneducated people being scammed into believing that P4 desktops and laptops are better than anything AMD has to offer. He also went as far as calling AMD a worthless company that sells worthless CPUs (odds are he was being paid to say those things because what real computer person would make such a blatant lie. Intel may be better in somethings that AMD is not and vice versa, but to call AMD garbage is just not very computer geeky).

I just get strange looks when I start to gag, wheeze, and cough *bull sh!7!* then walk away.

I have also talked several people into not purchasing a computer that says "Intel Inside" because the place that sells these computers they have internet connections (stupid them) and I go to sites and show these customers the benchmarks that compare the two CPU types. About six or seven times the people I showed the benchmarks to walked out with an AMD64.

Yeah me!

Question: (0)

Neuk (866754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905755)

Stupid little boy:"Papa Beaver?Why does AMD always do things that are of no worthy advantage?" Papa Beaver:"Well son,it's because of an interesting process called 'within ten years I can safley promise that our company will be the most wealthy and industrious of all in our class'." Stupid little boy:"Huh?" Papa Beaver:"No more questions.Let's have a story."

Cen-Turion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11905760)

...Obviously wanting to be the strongest. Or to have the last word. Or both ;-)

--JAB

kind of late? (2, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905827)

Aren't AMD kind-of late? When one talks about mobile computing, "centrino" comes to mind. Right?

Re:kind of late? (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905859)

Aren't AMD kind-of late? When one talks about mobile computing, "centrino" comes to mind. Right?

No, "heavy suitcase" and "outlet in airport to recharge goddamned battery that failed in a middle of a save" is what comes to mind when one talks about mobile computing.

Re:kind of late? (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905905)

Turion ... Centurion ... Centrino?

Admittedly the average laptop buyer probably doesn't care about Latin or the Roman army, but perhaps that's how the name was derived?

People keep asking me if my Latop has 'Centrino'. Given that it has a big Apple logo on it, I feel obliged to explain what Centrino is - it's not WiFi in general, just an Intel chipset. Maybe AMD were hoping for a bit of that brand-name to rub off?

Re:kind of late? (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11905976)

Centrino hasn't sold me. you need more than one word and alot of colory moths to sell me a product.

Re:kind of late? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11906087)

That's why they also gave you the blue men flying around on centrino hoverboards. Crap man, what more do you want?
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