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Felony Charges For H.S. Hacking

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the barely-even-hacking dept.

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jayrtfm writes "Last year the Kurtztown Area High School approved a program which gave every student an iBook. Now 13 students face felony charges for violating the district's usage policy." From the article: "Shrawder said the secret password '50Trexler,' was widely-known among the student body and distributed early in the school year. It allowed between 80 and 100 students to reconfigure their laptops, he said. The more computer-savvy students began to disable the administrations' ability to spy on the students' computer use. For others, it became a game, trying to outsmart the administration and compete with fellow students who held the secret, Shrawder said."

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Lets get the facts straight (5, Insightful)

LogicX (8327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906735)

This news was also reported in the Reading Eagle/Reading Times. [readingeagle.com]

In that article, it was said that the students were accessing porn sites, and HAD infact hacked the administrative network.

However, living in this area, I feel it necessary to point out that the papers around here can't handle technical articles, and and usually get the facts wrong. For all we know, they got the admin pass, and disabled the proxy (which was likely the n2h2 Bess Proxy [n2h2.com] ), and all of this is being blown out of proportion.
Once more facts become clear, maybe we'll learn why the rest of the 80-100 students weren't charged.

I attended and worked IT for Conrad Weiser Area School District [conradweiser.org] which is about 20 minutes away from Kutztown, where we had the BCIU [berksiu.org] come in to do a lot of work on machines. The BCIU is clueless, and security is their lowest priority. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the BCIU worked with Kutztown High to setup this network, making it all the easier for these kids.
Also, here are the nyud mirrors of the links:
FAQ [nyud.net]
Kutztown Area Patriot Article [nyud.net]
Laptop Initiative [nyud.net]

Re:Lets get the facts straight (4, Insightful)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906873)

As a high-school senior who's managed to avoid getting in trouble for computer stuff, I'd like to share my experience.

If you want to bypass any restrictions, find out if the teachers mind. Many times they won't. (I was once asked to send an e-mail from school, and our school filters block all webmail..or at least they think they do.)

If you end up doing something that you think they won't mind but they do, as soon as they say something, apologize, and stop doing that. And it helps to show yourself as a white hat ahead of time, so they know you're not solely trying to break their security.

If you're doing something that you know they mind, reconsider why. Is this something you can't do more safely from home, or from a public library or Internet café?

If you're looking up porn from school, you're a ****ing idiot. Same goes if you're breaking into important stuff for the fun of it.

Inept school officials (1, Insightful)

panxerox (575545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906736)

I guess not only information wants to be free, students do as well. What a bitch for the tyrannical albeit wussie school officials who need cops and judges to enforce school rules that they cant. Unfortunalty things have gone so far in this country that they probably will be charged and therefore destroyed.

Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906740)

13 students face felony charges for violating the district's usage policy? Could this open some eyes and increase interest in alternative (Linux, Mac) offerings?

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906794)

> Could this open some eyes and increase interest in
> alternative (Linux, Mac) offerings?

The systems involved were iBooks, and the story was posted in the Apple section.

Thanks for playing, though.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906859)

Is that you, [slashdot.org] trolling every [slashdot.org] single [slashdot.org] front page story tonig--

Okay, after searching through a bunch of threads so that I may infest this post with links to evidence of this person's transgressions, I see instead that this is simply the new slashdot meme.

<angry_old_man>
And I would have gotten away with it
if it hadn't been for you damn kids
and your fucking memes!
</angry_old_man>

*gets drunk*

Re:Inept school officials (3, Insightful)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906756)

I know. The school could have had just as good an effect by suspending those involved briefly and billing their parents for the board tech's time required to re-image the ibooks. Instead, they decide to jump on the "Cybercrime is teh evil!" bandwagon and go apeshit.

Re:Inept school officials (2, Funny)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906765)

destroyed? i've been charged with a felony as a minor and now i'm working for nasa :P

Re:Inept school officials (5, Informative)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906885)

Charged but not convicted I'd assume.

Felons are forbidden by law from:

Voting (in many states. In 14, including mine, Nevada, one is forever forbidden from voting. In Florida, another such state, I believe it is case law that a juvenile convicted of a felony loses the right the vote before he or she gains it - he or she is barred by law from ever gaining the right to vote - cruel, unusual and unconstitutional but still considered the law).
Holding office
Working in anyway for the government, local, state or Federal. If you run a company of your own and are a felon - your company is ineligible to bid on any project or supply any goods or services.
Owning a gun - 10 year sentence if one even tries to. 18 USC 922(g) makes it illegal and 18 USC 924(a)(2) sets the penalty.
Being bonded
Getting a good job - anyone that hires a felon can have a judgement for monetary damages against them for "negligent hiring" - the courts will then take possibly all their assets and garishee their wages for life if the judgement is big enough - yeah the person would have to harm someone - but what employer will hire a felon knowing the courts could de facto bankrupt them for life if the person who committed a (possibly minor) (possibly as a juvenile) felony kills or rapes someone.
Keeping a job - "negligent retention" law prescribes the above for failing to fire a felon.
Travel - Canada PROHIBITS felons from entering - and they are supposed to be a reasonable country. Heck, Canada forbids DUI offenders from entering. Heck, George W. Bush, sitting President of the US, is technically barred for that. Not that they'd ever enforce it in his case. (Yes, Bush's was a misdemeanor - but Canada still bars people for it, perhaps Canada was a bad example, perhaps Bush was a bad example because someone might start an off topic Bush sucks/Bush rules flamewar)
In Utah - they are forbidden from working in any operational capacity for a Certificate Authority - this will mean if a felon owns a company it can't be a CA.

I might be wrong - I hope I am - but I fear my list is incomplete, not incorrect.

Re:Inept school officials (2, Interesting)

Transcendent (204992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906839)

Same thing happened to me in HS.

Fortunately, I scared them off with a lawyer and charges were dropped.... so I ended up with a 30 day vacation from school, and still finished my senior year with a 4.5/4.0 GPA along with getting AP credit for Calc (but I didn't get to go to Florida with the FIRST team, ah well). And yes, there was an incompetent administrator of the entire district's (Novel ::shudder::) network... in which her stupidity not only let me do what I did, but further made ME look bad because the unknowing school officials believed her word.

Unfortunately for the kids in thie story, I doubt the school can be scared off at this point.

Uhm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906741)

Blame the students for the school's own poor security? That's the school system for ya...

Re:Uhm... (1, Flamebait)

unleashedgamers (855464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906799)

Im my school system all the admin passwords are catholic10005 and the usernames are install (The Calgary Catholic School District)

I just don't get it (3, Insightful)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906742)

What is it that causes legal-types to completely lose their marbles whenever anything high-tech happens? This seems roughly the equivalent of doodling in a textbook (in eraseable pencil) and sharing a Maxim magazine around in the halls. Hardly a felony.

Re:I just don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906830)

Because they don't understand and fear the unknown.

The same thing.. (4, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906848)

.. the same thing that caused many Americans to lost their marbles after Sept. 11: FEAR caused by a LACK OF UNDERSTANDING. These politicians do not understand technology, hence they fear it with all their might. And the legal response by politicians to fear is to pass fucking moronic laws.

Re:I just don't get it (5, Interesting)

tolkienfan (892463) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906867)

Unfortunately, under the law, accessing a computer system without authorization is a very serious crime.

And furthermore, the courts have decided that violating an acceptable use policy amounts to accessing the computer without authorization.

Worse, it is accepted within the courts that an existing "terms of use" or whatever does not have to have been read nor accepted for it to be enforceable.

It is presumed that such a policy exists, and it is the burden of the user to find and read it.

It sucks!
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice

In-house punishments please! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906744)

"I knew it was against school policy," he said. "But I didn't know it was a felony."

Of course they didn't. You know why? Because, "Students who violate the computer policy will be disciplined" does not imply that criminal charges will be filed. It implies that the students could receive in-school sanction.

This is a bunch of hyped up and unnecessary bullshit. If you're going to give laptops out you better bet that they are going to be used for unintended purposes. By bringing criminal charges you are doing nothing but wasting even MORE of the taxpayers dollars for something dumb.

Discipline them in-house (like they did to us in high-school - made us sit in the hot school all summer doing NOTHING - it's worse than paying a fine and doing community service)

Re:In-house punishments please! (1, Interesting)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906811)

You probably aren't in school anymore.

Most usage policies that I've seen explicitly state something along the lines of 'criminal computer damage' or 'charges may be filed'. As a matter of fact, we have a cop on campus at my high school explicitly to arrest people, whether it be for fights (assault), drugs (obvious), and yes, 'hacking' (cybercrime is the term used, I believe). Even for something so simple as getting on the teach's computer when he's not looking. Student discipline, sadly, has declined in public schools over the years, and punishments have adjusted accordingly.

Definitely not a felony though. Felony is defined typically as a heinous crime, and something simple as this should not be considered as such.

Re:In-house punishments please! (1)

bluenirve (470125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906834)

Discipline them in-house (like they did to us in high-school - made us sit in the hot school all summer doing NOTHING - it's worse than paying a fine and doing community service)
Oh, you didn't figure out that if you spoofed an email from the principal to whoever is in charge that they need to do x, you could just mess around on the computers all day? You are a shame to the nerd community.

Re:In-house punishments please! (-1, Troll)

Xyrus (755017) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906903)

They hacked state owned property. They got caught. Now they have to pay the consequences. I'm having a little trouble developing sympathy for these kids.

If the kids didn't want to be monitored, then don't use their systems.

Do you know what happens if the schools don't monitor their systems these days? Lawsuits. Huge fucking lawsuits brought on by ignorant parents who expect the system to babysit their TV feed kids.

And teenagers aren't exactly the best at making decisions.

So you get tyrannical monitoring systems for kids when using school property.

And I'm sorry, but with the prevalence of "hacking" in the media and on the net I seriously doubt these kids didn't know what they were doing was illegal.

"'Students who violate the computer policy will be disciplined" does not imply that criminal charges will be filed.'"

Funny thing is the same thing is said for violating a school's drug policy or violence policy. And I'd fully expect criminal charges in either of those cases.

~X~

password (3, Funny)

bnitsua (72438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906747)

I hope they had the sense to change their password...

Re:password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906802)

Yup, I changed it to "51Trexler". Those kids w-

Crap.

Okay. I changed it again, and I'm NOT telling you this time!

Re:password (1)

bnitsua (72438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906812)

let me guess... 52Trexler?

Re:password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906871)

crap!

"Computer Trespass" (1)

Roguelazer (606927) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906748)

It's "Computer Trespass" if a student breaks into the computer that they're being lent, but it's not if they're being monitored without their knowledge? Okay...

But seriously folks, don't get too worried about this. I mean, if they prosecuted people for this sort of stuff, half of us would already be in jail, and the other half on death row. It's all just hot air from the administrators.

Re:"Computer Trespass" (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906809)


Hey! I'm posting this from Death Row, you insensitive clod!

Re:"Computer Trespass" (1)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906827)

Of course it isn't.

The computer is OWNED under the auspices of the school, and thus it is their right to monitor it, in order to minimize liability. In fact, in most usage policies it's explicitly stated that 'you may be subject to monitoring'. And if you don't like it, well, you don't have to use a school computer.

Re:"Computer Trespass" (1)

stfvon007 (632997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906865)

And if you don't like it, well, you don't have to use a school computer.

Yes they do.

From the FAQ:
Students will be required to use the school district issued laptop for school purposes. This is necessary to ensure that students have a computer that gives them network capability and the ability to run the software that students will need in their classes. For these reasons, other computers will not be used on the Kutztown Area School District network.

Re:"Computer Trespass" (1)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906897)

Oh jesus, time for a little logic.

Students will be required to use the school district issued laptop for school purpose

That says that the only use for the laptops is for school purposes, does not say that the only computers allowed for the purpose of school work are the school issued computers. That's a reversal of the logic sequence. P -> Q != Q -> P.

And as for the other portion, of course they'll restrict access to their network. Basic security means you don't let unauthorized computers on the network.

The most software you'll need outside of school would be Word+Excel. They provide the laptops to ENSURE that you are capable of running them, aka covering their asses. And if you don't have an actual computer capable of running word or excel, well then you shouldn't be dicking around with admin on a school computer, eh?

As I read the article... (2, Insightful)

notsoanonymouscoward (102492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906749)

I just kept thinking "Enders Game" !!!

Re:As I read the article... (1)

AEton (654737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906784)

Funny - I was thinking "Kobayashi Maru".

Re:As I read the article... (1)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906816)

Kobayashi Maru meets Ender's Game. You're being blown up by Klingons, but it's happening on the Z-axis.

Re:As I read the article... (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906832)

Wait, Klingon attacks usually happen in 3D, don't they?

How about, "You're getting blown up by Klingons, but you intentionally froze your legs first."?

-Peter

Re:As I read the article... (1)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906851)

This is Star Trek, remember?

You're getting blown up by Klingons, but you exploded your warp engines first.

Re:As I read the article... (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906891)

Man, you're making this tough on me.

Your being attacked by Klingons. You eject your warp core. While the Klingons gloat over their victory five guys swing out from behind the warp core on wires they stole from a restricted area.

-Peter

Re:As I read the article... (1)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906821)

The government needed Ender to win the war, so they couldn't discipline him for anything -- from hacking to murder. (Now of course the murder had the secondary benefit that they wanted him to be a cold-hearted killer, but that wasn't the only reason they let him get away with it.)

Dear Zonk. (1)

Rahga (13479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906753)

Dear Zonk,

Please, dear... It's "Cracking", not "Hacking"

Also, since when is passing the administrator's password around considered [Hacking|Cracking] anyway?

Re:Dear Zonk. (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906823)

Also, since when is passing the administrator's password around considered [Hacking|Cracking] anyway?

Definitely part of the branch known as "social engineering".

Aha! (2, Insightful)

AEton (654737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906758)

Skavinsky consulted with the Berks County District Attorney's office and recommended charges of "Computer Trespass," in violation of PA criminal code section 7615, which carries a third degree felony charge.

The best way to get poor laws changed is to enforce them strictly.

Now everybody knows my password. (2, Funny)

rminsk (831757) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906759)

Thank you for posting my password. I guess I will have to change it now.

Congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906761)

Looks like the school should teach a network security class and things of that sort, maybe the students coud end up making something better than they already have because it seems like there are some pretty bright ones there.

Re:Congrats (2, Funny)

louden obscure (766926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906791)

maybe the students coud end up making something better

yeah, with felony charges they may have the chance to learn how to make license plates...

Barely even hacking? (3, Funny)

Primotech (731340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906762)

Some friend of mine installed Firefox on his network drive at school and caught a great deal of flack for it. Because we know what a great risk a proven, secure web browser poses...

Re:Barely even hacking? (1)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906844)

Excellent.

Have you configured it properly such that malware can't break through?

Can you make sure someone doesn't install a malicious extension?

It may be fine and dandy for the home user, but as a tech for a school, installing FF presents yet another potential hole to be plugged. We have our hands full with IE6 anyhow....

Re:Barely even hacking? (1)

swimin (828756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906914)

Umm hands full with IE6? The only way to properly secure IE6 is to make it so the user can't even change their homepage. You could even allow users to install extensions for them only with firefox (from a list of approved sites, and only approved sites).

Locked down laptops... (2, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906764)

From the FAQ... Will students be able to email, chat, and play games on their laptops? Chat, IM, games, and email software will be removed from all computers. Student use of email, chatting, IM, and game playing is a direct violation of the KASD computer policy. Students who violate the computer policy will be disciplined. These were school-owned laptops for approved uses only, and with a pretty tight leash on what could be installed.

Re:Locked down laptops... (4, Insightful)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906801)

Unfortunately, said leash was made of paper. Nobody's arguing that the kids were in violation of school rules when they hacked their own laptops - what we're arguing against is that a) the school is filing felony charges for a discipline issue b) the school is charging the students instead of their security people, and c) there exists felony charges that can be applied to such a minor crime.

Re:Locked down laptops... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906813)

That's like calling the police because a student is going to the bathroom without a hall pass. Sure, it could technically be considered trespassing -- but every school I ever went to would just give me a detention instead of filing charges.

dom

Stupid (4, Insightful)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906766)

Why are they giving these children felony charges for being intelligent enough to see through such pathetically weak security? At the very least, the school should have assigned each machine a separate password based on serial number.

In all seriousness, if they really wanted to ensure security on these systems, they shouldn't have allowed the students to take them out of the school.

Idiots. (5, Interesting)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906769)

I don't agree that it's a felony level offense, but...

I'm a student computer tech at my high school, since the school is too cheap to hire a full time technical staff. You wouldn't believe the amount of times I was asked for the local administrator passwords to the campus computers, just from people who wanted to 'mess around'.

The main problem is twofold: first, that the school doesn't want to be held liable for any 'bad' content (the obvious part), and that IT MAKES MORE WORK FOR ME. The admin password was leaked many times, and you wouldn't believe how many times I've had to either reformat computers or wipe Kazaa/Steam/random emulators from computers where students wanted to mess around. The worst part, when some of them tried to remove SynchronEyes (our 'spy' program), they were so incompetent with what they were doing that they ended up fuxxing the domain privileges and rendering the computer inoperable on the network. We rarely, if ever, monitor student activity, since we don't have enough staff.

If you want to mess around or do anything 'cool' with a computer, DO IT AT HOME. If you're at school, use the computers for school work. It's not a game as to how much work you can cause for the local techs and admin, the computers are always for WORK. If you go ahead and make it a game, we get VERY pissed at having to clean yet another computer.

Or better yet, do what I did and join the tech support staff.

Napoleon Dynamite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906878)

"Or better yet, do what I did and join the tech support staff."

yeah -- that worked for you, now you can fix all the kid's computers like you are some sort of janitor.

sounds like one school that "earns it's money"

Re:Idiots. (1)

kmortelite (870152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906901)

When I was in high school, if things were locked down too tightly, we'd figure a way to break it, and then use the computer like we wanted. We weren't trying to do anything malicious, we just wanted some freedom. Perhaps it's different today?

It seems like these machines were locked down so draconianly that they were not useful.

Re:Idiots. (1)

mvdw (613057) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906919)

So you re-image the computer. That takes all of what, 10 minutes. Just put in the student contract or whatever that if the student fubars the computer, then anything on said computer will be erased. Quite simple, really; the student loses all their mp3s, pr0n, whatever, you get a hassle-free life, everyone wins.

Re:Idiots. (1)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906920)

If you want to mess around or do anything 'cool' with a computer, DO IT AT HOME.

Yeah right. If I fuck up my home computer, I have to fix it. If I fuck up a school computer, YOU have to fix it. Every single time...

It's always more efficient to make mistakes on someone else's dime.

The District Mission Statement: (2, Interesting)

Rafikichi (831285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906770)

"To provide an interactive educational environment which encourages students to acquire the skills, knowledge, and attitudes, necessary to become responsible members of society"

Destroy all students (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906772)

What kind of assholes are these school administrators?!
Their JOB, hopefully their PASSION is to help students learn and be prepared for life as adults. How does giving them felony records for typical high school curiosity do that? How can these administrators go home at night and think they are doing the right thing here?

I think a protest is in order.
The entire student body should boycott the school. Stop going. Perhaps they should ALL have accidents with their laptops too. Ooops, dropped it from the second floor.
Damn... I know these are stupid retaliations, but I'm so pissed.

Re:Destroy all students (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906800)

> they should ALL have accidents with their laptops

Excellent idea. You should show solidarity by destroying YOUR laptop as well. That would show them.

Re:Destroy all students (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906909)

you should show solidarity by smashing a big fat hammer in your face you fuck face

@#$@# Educators! (4, Insightful)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906773)

Am I the only person here that thinks that it is the most flimsy form of chintz that educators use the legal system and literally ruin students futures over something so minor as this...

Wait a minute - the administrators have to show them who's in charge... and having the cops do their enforcement... that'll show them.

Happened at my school too .. (2, Informative)

yrogerg (858571) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906775)

In my high school in the late 80's we got a new network and the default password for all students and teachers was "IBM". 5 bonus points to whoever guesses which company set up the network. At the time it wasn't a big deal to mess up the network, it was considered buggy. Now you get lynched.

Re:Happened at my school too .. (1)

who got my name (846949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906869)

Was it IBM who set up the network? Do I get my 5 point now?

Computer Trespass my left foot! (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906777)

Shrawder said the secret password '50Trexler,' was widely-known among the student body and distributed early in the school year. It allowed between 80 and 100 students to reconfigure their laptops, he said. The more computer-savvy students began to disable the administrations' ability to spy on the students' computer use.--tfa

I rather thought if you had the key to someone home you couldn't call it "Breaking and entering" even if you were a dumb ass and put it under your mat. Would not the same rule of common sense apply if they were dumb enough to let the students at the password? Ok, TFA isn't clear how they got the password, but 100 people had I'd hardly call it felonies hacking or computer trespass.

Re:Computer Trespass my left foot! (1)

pdbogen (596723) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906912)

Right, it wouldn't be "breaking and entering"... it'd be "trespass".

The Faq (1)

3.09 a hour (812839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906779)

A couple things seem out of whack with this, the first being that only 13 people were charged, when 100 (ish) had access to the password. Also, there is nothing at all in the rules about the securutiy system, or lack there of, so what can the be charged with, if they didnt break a contract. Finally how is this a felony, at worst, they broke thier written contract with the school, its not like they installed pirated software on it (i hope) Bottom line, this is a case of the students knowing more about computers than the school wants them to, and the school lashing out because it was one-uped. Funniest thing about the faq 'Viruses written for windows cannot affect macs'... what about viruses written for macs?

Unanswered question (2, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906782)

What did the 13 who got charged do differently that made them stand out from the "80 to 100" students who used the compromized password?

Re:Unanswered question (-1, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906833)

What did they do? Well, like the article says, they were attempting to locate and download underage pornography.

MOD PARENT DOWN -1Troll (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906905)

What version of the article are you reading? It doesn't say that.

Secret? LMAO! (3, Insightful)

Oldest European (886715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906783)

"Shrawder said the secret password '50Trexler,' was widely-known among the student body..."

If it's widely-known, how can it be secret? ;-)

Re:Secret? LMAO! (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906808)

If it's widely-known, how can it be secret? ;-)

The school administration didn't know it, duh! ;)

Incorrect Story (4, Funny)

Manip (656104) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906785)

Should read ... - "For the administrators to monitor the students computer usage and for students that held the secret password to monitor one another. In order to keep the student's privacy safe while using the badly configured laptops the students had to get in and change the password. Upset by the fact they where made to look like noobs the school district are now bringing charges on all students that changed the password. When ask for comment the network admin had to say "I have an MCP, I think I can configure some laptops securely, the students are just messing with stuff using illegal haxor tools that they downloaded off P2P, I have contacted Microsoft, Apple and the MPAA about them!""

Lol (0, Offtopic)

speel3k (793160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906788)

i personally think thats cool ;D

Don't use their computer (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906792)

What if you bring in your own laptop?

Re:Don't use their computer (1)

stfvon007 (632997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906902)

From the FAQ:
What if a student already has another model or brand of laptop computer?
Students will be required to use the school district issued laptop for school purposes. This is necessary to ensure that students have a computer that gives them network capability and the ability to run the software that students will need in their classes. For these reasons, other computers will not be used on the Kutztown Area School District network.

Enders game (1)

3770 (560838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906795)


Anyone else get Enders game flash backs?

For those that don't know Enders game, it is a great science fiction book by Orson Scott Card.

Re:Enders game (1)

GabrielF (636907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906857)

Ummm... no
The people who ran Battle School were smart and though out the consequences of their actions.
The people who run this high school are idiots

FELONY CHARGES FOR FAGGOT SEX (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906797)

Robert Malda is a fag

HA HA HA HA HA HA

i just used the internet to call someone a FAG

PWNED

Forging a new generation of litigous a**holes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906798)

7 years ago, in my junior year of high school, the principal pressed felony charges against me for computer hacking. Thankfully, since I was a minor, the decision whether to prosecute me was left to the State's Attorney, who declined.

What horrible crime had I committed? I installed Space Quest 5 on a computer to play at lunch. Any sane person (and especially any slashdotter) would find me guilty only of being a geek.

What the hell do you expect from giving every student a laptop? Teenagers are stupid! And putting a usage policy and monitoring software on it is tantamount to entrapment!

The parents should lawyer up and sue back (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906803)

FELONY charges for reconfiguring the laptops the schools give the students to use?!?!?!? Any parent should be outraged that their student could be subject to a felony for something like this. Parents should have do sign off on ANYTHING that might subject their children to such bogus charges. And they should be riled their own district would act such a way if some porno and ebarrassment to the school administration is all that happened.

cool (1)

imatt (893887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906814)

Cool kids in my opinion. They'd be my best friends. I wish my school gave out iBooks, or any laptop for that matter.

Message from God (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906810)

Watch your butt, Bernard is watching.

-God

PS: I know there is no mod for "I Don't Get It." Please don't substitute "Off Topic".

Thanks,
Peter

I get it, I get it (1)

3770 (560838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906907)

I'm so proud.

Want to know where that quote comes from? I'll make you work for it... Search for my other post in this thread.

Good answer (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906815)

Q: What about computer viruses?

A: A virus that is written for the Windows Operating System (Win98, 2000, XP) cannot infect the Macintosh Operating system.

Hey! Neat! But um, what about computer viruses?

Wow.... (5, Interesting)

cato kaze (770158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906817)

As a high school senior in pennsylvania who has done things similar to those being described in the article, I'm worried. Before, my school district basically just slapped a student on the wrist for things like this, but I have the feelings that students in EVERY school district in the state are in trouble if schools start prosecuting because they are too stupid to handle anything technologically with reason. Hell, a kid in my district got 12 days out of school suspension for getting around the BESS Proxy wheres a kid who ripped a hunk of flesh off of another one's chest got 2 days in school suspension. People are fucktards...

Yeah, right (4, Funny)

P0ldy (848358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906826)

TFA:

"I don't know why this is such a big deal," he said. "At no time was the security of the server breached, and I don't know that it has cost the taxpayers any money."


A server breach does seem pretty impossible. Considering the complexity of the password and how few people knew it, it's doubtful they wouldn't know if the server was breached anyway.

Bullshit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906835)

Guess what? Kids are curious, they like to push boundaries.

If you are too inept to implement security properly don't blame it when the students when they walk over you.

That's what they are in school to learn.. how to get to the next level, not be brainless automatons.

A big F U all the incompetant a-holes who can't get their shit right and then blame the rest of the world for their problems.

Yea, I'm pissed 'cuz I'm *still* at work.

The Good News (1)

GabrielF (636907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906840)

I got out of high school two years ago and I have good and bad news about what's changed: The Bad News: School administrators are still morons The Good News: At least they've learned to pick better passwords. In my day all the passwords were things like "staff" or "teacher" or (my favorite) "inspire"

Everywhere (1)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906842)

This happened at our school too. We all got laptops and we did the same stuff. They spied on us, we got the passwords. They had student volunteers running the helpdesk. They were challenged to break the passwords. One did it and told the rest how the next day. The helpdesk was given fully unlocked computers to do whatever they wanted with, while the rest of the school was given the locked-down, awful, spyed computers.

High Schol Security (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906860)

Only vaguely related, but this reminds me of my high school, which spent somewhere in the vicinity of $50,000 on a school wide security system with individualy armable zones in every classroom, complete with door, window, and motion sensors. Then set the system-wide disarming code to 2468 so the teachers could remember it.

Jonas! Please! Precision of language! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906862)

"Now 13 students face felony charges for violating the district's usage policy." Bull$hit. Violating a usage policy is not a felony offense. What EXACTLY are they facing felony charges for?

scary (1)

Jett (135113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906864)

Back in HS we had Win3.11 boxes locked down with the stupidest security software ever. The only thing you could use was Notepad and the crappy applications you were supposed to be using (which was really just a typing tutor thing that couldn't even keep up with you if you could type over 70wpm). I hacked that stupid security program using Notepad every single day and then put it back together before class ended. I did forget a few time but the admin was too stupid to figure out how I did it and couldn't prove anything ("I dunno, it broke?"). Of course this was pre-Columbine and the militarization of schools...

ridiculus rules (1)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906870)

Will students be able to install software on the laptop?
No, ... Students who violate the policy will be disciplined.... All of the software necessary to integrate the laptop technology into the curriculum will be installed when the laptop is issued to the student....

These are the most ridiculus set of rules for computer use I have ever seen. Not allowed to install software on the laptop? Are they afraid some student might install Java, Perl, or Python and actually learn how to program? Are they afraid the students would install photoshop/gimp and be artistic? What is the point of these computers if they are restricted to a predefined set of a circulum some idiot came up with. I guess this is just another case of schools not wanting kids to think for themselves
Will students be able to email, chat, and play games on their laptops?
Chat, IM, games, and email software will be removed from all computers.
I guess this is fair enough, but not really. Can't have students colaborating with eachother on homework assignments, or e-mailing their teachers for questions.
Can a student use their iPod or digital camera with the laptop? Can students load music and photos on the computer?
Yes, students may connect their iPod music player or digital camera to their issued computer....
Well, It's reassuring to know that at least they allow the students to be good consumers and purchase iPod's and digital cameras. We wouldn't actually want them to learn anything.

Costs inflated (1)

usererror3000 (886032) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906886)

"The laptop cost would be ~$1385.00 with a 4 year parts and labor warranty.
The cost of the software installed on the laptop computer exceeds $1800.00 per unit.
The cost of the padded sleeve is ~$20.00
The cost of a 4 year software upgrade protection plan is $135.00
The cost of tech support is $45.00 and up per hour."

They say there is $1800 worth of software on the laptops... what a waste of money, I'd just have them put openoffice on a just a cheaper laptop running linux.

I have a feeling that the reason that only 13 kids are charged is because the 13 might have been the "geeks" who figured it out, and the rest of the kids just followed.

Set the administration of the school on fire! (2, Funny)

rvalles (649635) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906887)

They offer the laptops into such conditions that revolutions are bound to happen. What's this "can only use school's laptop and not your own" shit? and "You take care of the laptop" shit? and this "cannot install programs" shit? and this orwellian monitoring crap?

Death to them. They've done it exactly the wrong way, and it's only natural for students to protest and disobey the dictatorship. Under this conditions, it's alright to set up a resistance armed with AK-47s.

Live CD (2, Interesting)

crypto55 (864220) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906890)

Why not just use a live-on-CD linux bootdisk? I haven't seen that many for Macs, but I'm pretty sure that Yellow Dog has one. That would give the students the ability to run their own OS, although it would be slow because of read speeds. At my school, we run crappy little 900mhz pIII Win98 SEs. Originally, they had almost no security, but now it's building up. I sometimes use Knoppix, without any modification to the system itself.

It sounds to me like this is just a story about a bunch of script kiddies who got caught *gasp* without covering their tracks.

asa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906892)

this is dumb, all you have to do to change a password on a ibook is put the mac os x software boot from cd, change password. boom!

Source? (1)

TekMonkey (649444) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906899)

That's absurd. I don't see how this can be charged as a felony...

The thing the adminsitration should be asking is how the password was leaked. :/

I could have been a felon... (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906911)

When I was in high school I convinced my Mom to get free internet access through the local college. It was part of the usage terms that no one else was supposed to use the access, so I guess I was a felon just for doing that. Then I figured out that the public_html directory was accessible through the anonymous FTP server, and that's where I got caught. I guess that'd be a second felony computer trespass charge there.

As it turns out I didn't get in any trouble, and though the account was disabled my Mom even was able to get it reinstated after sitting down with the head of the computer services department and promising that any time she logged on and used the service she would be the one physically typing on the keyboard. So I got my internet access back, but had to be more careful from then on.

About a year later someone in my local calling area came out with this nifty pay service called PPP.

But hey, I could have been a felon. Or, maybe I am a felon? What's the statute of limitations for computer trespass, anyway?

school computers have no security (1)

TRRosen (720617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12906913)

I was a tech for an Edison project school. They use the same password for every computer in every school the operate. This includes the servers that hold all the individual passwords.

Here you go students, a highly configuration tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12906915)

Now please, dont you go playing with this tool because we all know that play promotes learning and we can't have you do that as.. students.

Hangon?
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