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Taiwanese Company to Mass Produce Rewritable HD Discs

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the places-to-put-your-stuff dept.

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Lucas123 writes "Ritek Corp. plans to start mass producing BD-RE and HD DVD-RE next quarter. 'Initially, however, BD-RE and HD DVD-RE discs will be pricey. The average cost per disc will remain around $10 in retail outlets, despite production costs of around $5 per disc, said Eric Ai, a Ritek representative. Prices won't likely come down until other mass disc producers in Taiwan win accreditation to make the discs, and ramp up volumes.'"

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This might be good (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241133)

But one time Pad Thai is terrible. It really isn't feasible.

Re:This might be good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241493)

This could be cool, but don't drop the disc. It will chop off your penis.

Despite? (3, Insightful)

raehl (609729) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241151)

$10 retail on something that costs $5 to produce is pretty standard.

Re:Despite? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241273)

Exactly. Prices won't come down due to competition...they'll come down when manufacturing costs go down, and when there's competition. Even if there were 5 players producing these discs, you'd be lucky to see them at retail for less than $9.

Re:Despite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241611)

Or to quote was a very smart (and rich) business man once told me.

Whatever it costs you to make double the price and sell it for that. You will make enough money to cover all of your costs and make some money.

That works nicely for goods where there are only 1 or 2 makers of the goods. But as more people enter the MR=MC thing starts to kick into high gear...

Re:Despite? (4, Insightful)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241767)

Yeah, exactly. Imagine for a minute all the highly mechanized third-world sweatshops that pay pennies per hour. It can't cost more than a dollar to make a shirt, and what does it retail in America for? $35.

100% markup doesn't seem bad by comparison.

HD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241153)

You mean Hard Drives arent rewritable....

Re:HD? (1)

riceboy50 (631755) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243437)

The usual notation for "hard drives" is H.D.D. for Hard Disk Drive. H.D. has become common notation to indicate High Definition.

Re:HD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19244297)

Come again? "HDD" appears practically nowhere. "HD" is all over teh intarwebs and magazines and computer documentation (think Linux and hda, hdb...), meaning "hard drive".

Why oh why couldn't the jackasses settle for "HiDef" instead of "HD" for these? I hear people talking about these new-fangled "High Density DVDs" every other day...

Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (4, Interesting)

Golgafrinchan (777313) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241215)

Ritek is a Taiwanese company.

The headline implies that Ritek is located in Thailand.

Way to go, American geography experts!

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241341)

Way to go, American geography experts!
How do you know they live in North America? They could be from Canada, you know.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19242039)

Because Lucas123 previously submitted http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/ 10/002230 [slashdot.org] when the link for his usernamed pointed to lucas_mearian@computerworld.com . That at least identifies who he is. Furthermore, note that both of the articles Lucas123 submitted both point to computerworld.com articles. (And that's fine; he's not hiding his relationship with the site for the articles he's submitting.) To the point: Whois for Computerworld.com says the administrative, technical and registrant are all from Framingham, MA, in the US.

On the otherhand, if you believe editors come up with the headlines, then the task lies in determining the nationality of CowboyNeal (aka Jonathan Pater [wikipedia.org]). archive.org versions of http://cowboyneal.org/ [cowboyneal.org] show him to be a chubby white dude with a beard who listens to music and likes The Grateful Dead. (Which is, like, enough to make the point, right? No?) whois for cowboyneal.org says Rob Malda registered it the domain from MI, and it's not unreasonable to think Jonathan could also be from MI.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

DrivingBear (931124) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242069)

Which country is more geographically ignorant? I'd say it's a thai.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

dr.g (158917) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244385)

Can we get a Ba-dum! *CHING!* on up in heah?

That said, I think the Mexicans pretty much forget all their SOUTH American compatriots on May...uhhh...7th, or whenever Mayonaise Day is...

Thaiwan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19242237)

Compromise?

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242943)

It's funny, Canadians will always point that error out (that Canada is part of North America), however the same Canadian will forget that Mexico is Part of NA too.

Americans forget the Canadians, Canadians forget the Mexicans, who is left for the Mexicans to forget?

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19243731)

Americans forget the Canadians, Canadians forget the Mexicans, who is left for the Mexicans to forget?
American immigration laws?

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19246695)

>however the same Canadian will forget that Mexico is Part of NA too.

Not if their job got outsourced thanks to NAFTA!
But it depends [wikipedia.org] whom you ask. [wikipedia.org]

>Americans forget the Canadians, Canadians forget the Mexicans,
>who is left for the Mexicans to forget?

I'm going to take a guess and say the Inca.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 6 years ago | (#19247959)

How do you know they live in North America? They could be from Canada, you know.

Um, not sure if you meant that as a joke or not but Canada is still in North America, just not in the United States of America. North America entails Canada, the US, and Mexico.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (-1, Troll)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241449)

Big islands in the Pacific around Asia. No big difference. At least their geography was good enough that they got the general area correct.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241725)

Let's not forget to also give them credit for getting the planet and general quadrant of the galaxy right. Kudos!

The sad thing is (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241965)

I'm not sure if you were being funny (à la the Canada comment above), or if you actually think Thailand is an island. :(

(I do think you were going for humor, but I'm just not sure!)

Re:The sad thing is (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#19245915)

Sometimes you hit it out of the park, sometimes you miss the mark and look stupid... Oh well.

Re:Taiwan is NOT "Thai" ! (1)

atrizzah (532135) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241811)

Why is it necessary to throw "American" in there? You know, you don't have to turn everything into an opportunity to bash America

We like to keep it simplistical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19242661)

Way to go, American geography experts!

In hi-school geogrefy class they learned us that the world is made up of only 'merica and Freedumbhateistan.

Obrigatoly lesponse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19244741)

They all look the same to me. ¦-)

$10 for 20GB+ R/W is cheaper than a thumb drive. (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241231)

Initially, however, BD-RE and HD DVD-RE discs will be pricey. The average cost per disc will remain around $10 in retail outlets...


$10 for the ability to read/write 20GB+ of stuff at a time looks pretty cheap when compared to a thumb drive that could do the same thing.

Re:$10 for 20GB+ R/W is cheaper than a thumb drive (3, Insightful)

Eccles (932) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241335)

It's especially cheap compared to the value of that time. I've been trying to back up photos on DVDs, but with the amount of pics and movies I can take with a 2 GB card, it's a pretty time-consuming process. On the other hand, with 500 GB external drives for ~$140, that's less than $6 for 20 GB, so that's still a cheaper option at the moment.

Re:$10 for 20GB+ R/W is cheaper than a thumb drive (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244155)

Lets not forget your not even counting the cost of the burner / player that is built into an external HD. Speed is also an issue I can write out a 500gb drive in about 2-3 hours I doubt I can burn 25 of these in the same time frame. Tape is the same or better than HD speeds for writing.

Re:$10 for 20GB+ R/W is cheaper than a thumb drive (1, Redundant)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241407)

It looks pretty bad when you can get 500 GB hard disks for less than $150. 25 times the storage for 15 times the price isn't bad. Also, I've never seen rewritable media that comes anywhere close to the reliability of a hard drive.

RW DVDs do not last as many cycles as thumb drives (1)

Palmyst (1065142) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241985)

They can be used to pre-stage a DVD you are going to burn a few times, but they are not really useable as generic rewritable storage devices for a long time.

Re:RW DVDs do not last as many cycles as thumb dri (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244005)

Hold on there, cowboy. You're going to tell me that on a disc with a 90 minute write time (write+verify at 2X speed), you expect to hit the endurance limit on this media on a regular basis?

Let's just take a random guess that this has 1000 w/e cycles. If you re-wrote to this disc every business day of the year, it would take 4 years to hit its limit. I appreciate your handleing care and frugality in trying to keep something around for that long in daily use, but I'm just not so sure it's a real issue for production.

Re:$10 for 20GB+ R/W is cheaper than a thumb drive (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243797)

While you are correct, there are a number of rather annoying limitations.

IIRC BlueRay and HD-DVD still use UDF which has a filesize limit of 1G. While some OS-es (pre-2.6.9 linux is an example) wrote 1G files to them that was in violation of the standard and these are not guaranteed to be interoperable and readable in the future. This is an extremely annoying limitation as far as any use for backup or "my own data" is concerned.

Compared to that a thumb drive or a USB hard drive can be formatted with a filesystem of your choice so this limitation does not exist.

King of Thailand is a feces covered horse maggot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241247)

How many years in prison for me??

None. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241429)

That particular offense gets your heads (both of them) cut off!!!

Taiwanese /= Thai (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241249)

Ummm. editors, please?

Re:Taiwanese /= Thai (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241453)

I give up. What do you get when you divide a Taiwanese by a Thai and then add it back to a Taiwanese? I hope it's a tasty egg roll, because they are both pretty good at making them.

Yay (3, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241315)

This was the same story for CDR, DVDR, etc. Eventually, a spindle will be available for 12 bucks at Fry's. I am hoping it's not a long wait, this kind of storage will be great for those of us who make frequent backups of our home directories.

Re:Yay (1)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243869)

Thought so too, but the cost per gig on media vs hd is different now. I use to love being able to burn a CD-R wth 650meg for $2 when 1gig Hd's where expensive. But now adays you can get a 500gig external HD for $139.

External HD == ($139 / 500gig = $0.27gig)

BluRay == ($10 / 25gig = $0.40gig)

Plus if you have any large datasets (HQ video renderings, databases, chess egtb's, etc) burning a optical disc after optical disc to backup 100gigs takes a while.

So I guess it depends on how much data you want to backup or keep off the main computer.

Re:Yay (1)

Gryffin (86893) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244725)

his was the same story for CDR, DVDR, etc. Eventually, a spindle will be available for 12 bucks at Fry's.

Right, just like dual-layer DVD-R's are available for $12 a spindle... oh, except they aren't.

Bet the licensing fees are kept high to ensure that burning a copy of a 8.4GB movie DVD costs almost as much as just buying the DVD from MalWart.

Re:Yay (1)

flosofl (626809) | more than 6 years ago | (#19246517)

...burning a copy of a 8.4GB movie DVD costs almost as much as just buying the DVD from MalWart.
I don't know where you shop. I can get 10 DL DVD+R [newegg.com] for the price of a movie on DVD.

But... (1)

delt0r (999393) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241327)

But which format should I get? Ray or HD?

Options (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242051)

Look to see what burners you can actually buy and the answer is pretty clear (Blu-Ray).

If you think about it, the volume of Blu-Ray drives and media being produced means costs should come down for that format much faster than with HD-DVD.

Soon, it won't matter (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242271)

Chinese multi format HDDVD-RW/BD-RW/DVD+-RW[DL]/CD-RW burners are bound to appear in the very near future and render the whole "format war" moot.

Until then, if you're in hurry, buy whatever format for which you can find the cheapest burner.

Ritek is Taiwanese - straight from their corporate (1, Insightful)

not5150 (732114) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241355)

This is straight from the corporate website. Confusing Taiwanese with Thai can get you shot in certain parts of the world :) Corporate Name RITEK Corporation Establish Date December 29, 1988 Date of IPO April 23, 1996 Headquarter No. 42, Kuan-Fu N. Road, Hsin-Chu Industrial Park, 30316, Taiwan Employees 3723(Q4, 2005) Capital 698 million USD (Q4, 2005)

Re:Ritek is Taiwanese - straight from their corpor (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241683)

"Confusing Taiwanese with Thai can get you shot in certain parts of the world :)"

So can confusing Taiwan and China :P

Why HD-DVD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241357)

Even Microsoft, the one supporter of the HD-DVD, have given up on the format. BluRay has been selling 70 percent share of the market in all three major regions, Asia, NA, Europe, for all of 2007.

One has to wonder if Toshiba is still holding on just to save face.

Pricey? (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241359)

"'Initially, however, BD-RE and HD DVD-RE discs will be pricey. The average cost per disc will remain around $10 in retail outlets"


That's not pricey compared with what it is now.

This just in... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241497)

Slashdot editors cant distinguish between Thailand and Taiwan.

I dont have an account, didnt feel like creating one just to point out American idiocy.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241511)

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So.. (1)

someguyfromdenmark (910971) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241535)

Is the Format War over yet? It seems to me, that when HD media is readily available for a relatively cheap price, the public will go with it. Is anyone doing this with Blu-Ray discs?

Nice but still needs to come down (3, Informative)

MonGuSE (798397) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241543)

You can buy a 500gb HD for $100. That equates out to .20 cents a gig for a rewritable device capable of sustained 60-80mb/sec. Factor in that and the cost of the HD and Blueray writeable drives is above $1k and you have a long way to go before these discs are cost effective to use as a storage or backup solution. Right now the sweet spot is eSATA backup solutions. If they were to jump right to 40 and 50gb discs then it would be another story but I expect those to be a pipe dream as far as consumer media goes just like DL-DVD's never really have panned out.

Re:Nice but still needs to come down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19241693)

DL-DVDs never took off because you can't buy the damn RW discs, and regular write once are too dear.

You need to look elsewhere for blu-ray burners, they're around $500 and dropping fast. Even the new Apples are supposed to have blu-ray options in the wings.

Re:Nice but still needs to come down (1)

MonGuSE (798397) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242459)

DL's and their availability have nothing to do with RW's. No one bothers with RW discs and they are almost as expensive as the DL discs. You might want to check your own prices again. You can find a player for a little over $500 but a recorder is an entirely different matter.

Re:Nice but still needs to come down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19246155)

DL's and their availability have nothing to do with RW's. No one bothers with RW discs and they are almost as expensive as the DL discs.


RW discs work great for burning off of video recorders.. in other words, you can easily record stuff that will then play in 'regular' DVD players.
Then when they've watched it, erase it and burn something else.

RWs cost nowhere near as much as DL discs. DVD-RWs are very often on sale in the $.40 range.

What about Dual Layer DVDs? (0, Offtopic)

tji (74570) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241735)

I have a couple systems capable of writing dual layer DVDs, which would be a pretty nice data backup option at ~ 8.5GB per disk.

But, you almost never see dual layer disks available for purchase. The few times I have seen them, they were ridiculously expensive. I heard that this was because of the patent holder limiting production or charging too high licensing. But, I don't know if that's true.

Are Dual Layer DVDs an option? Will they be coming down in price, or will we be skipping right to BR/HD-DVD writing?

Re:What about Dual Layer DVDs? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242643)

They're a little over $1 each here [meritline.com], though I wouldn't necessarily trust critical backups to this brand. Good ones are half again as much. Far less, per GB, than these HD discs at the moment. They area about 3x the cost of the single layer media, or (roughly) a 50-60% premium for the denser storage.

RE why not RW? (3, Insightful)

jeffy210 (214759) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241781)

RE? Short for REwritable? Why in the world can't they just keep things uniform and stick with the RW designation. Does it really need a new acronym? What is the major different that would warrant that.

Re:RE why not RW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19244519)

Because RW looks more like "Read/Write" than "Rewritable".

Re:RE why not RW? (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244651)

'Because RW looks more like "Read/Write" than "Rewritable".'

No, it did look like that *before* rewritable CD's were labeled RW. Not anymore.

Re:RE why not RW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19246471)

Were you somehow making money out of the RW=rewritable confusion? Or did the fact that you could master confusing disc acronyms lead to peer admiration? Otherwise your reaction to the new RE label should have been "finally they corrected it!".

I'm not exactly jumping up and down (2, Insightful)

uradu (10768) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241797)

Until regular old read-only drives become cheap and plentiful--nay, let's just even say available for now--my enthusiasm is somewhat dampened.

I'm jonesin' for these (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241815)

Just had to change the back up solution for the company I work for from full backups to tape to incremental backups to tape with monthly fulls done to DVD, and writing 40 Gigs of data to DVD every month is a bit of a pain. Oh well, least I'm not salaried :). But with how expensive tape's gotten ($1000 bucks for a 90/gig drive? ouch), I can't wait for HDDVD or Blu-ray to get cheap. The whole server on two disks, 1/4 of which I can make parity files, would ROCK.

Price (3, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 6 years ago | (#19241829)

"The average cost per disc will remain around $10 in retail outlets, despite production costs of around $5 per disc"

Of course, the higher the price of media, the less likely people will make backups of their HD movies. At $10 a crack, it's not too much more to buy another copy of the movie. I'm sure that benefit to copyright holders is factored into the cost of the media to some degree. The story makes mention of an accreditation process, which the studios undoubtedly have influence over (they had a say in developing the standard itself). Thus if the media isn't sold at the price the industry wants, the manufacturer could suddenly have problems maintaining their accreditation.

Dan East

Re:Price (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244813)

One could say that... but then again, one could've said the same thing about dual-layer DVDs when they became writeable. They were $10/disc back then too (took me 7 coasters to figure out my Optorite drive was faulty... ouch). The cost has come down, and now they're reasonable, it just takes time.

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Too bad Ritek makes subpar media (0, Troll)

ishobo (160209) | more than 6 years ago | (#19242699)

It is well known that Ritek makes subpar media. They are a major source for many store brands too. Be very careful when purchasing.

Oh Great. Even less stable media. (2, Informative)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243431)

There are lots of perfectly decent providers of blank CD's.

Anybody who writes DVD's already knows that there are only a couple of reliable brands of blanks, Like Taiyo Yuden.

If you want to write dual layer DVD's, and expect them to read right on home DVD players, the only brand you can trust is Verbatim.

Now we're talking about HD discs, single and dual layer? There'll be one okay provider, and every third blank is gonna fail.

Re:Oh Great. Even less stable media. (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243861)

Are you just making this stuff up?

I've burned hundreds of dual-layer DVDs from various generic brands and *every single one* of them has worked perfectly fine in my home DVD player.

Re:Oh Great. Even less stable media. (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244105)

Are you just making this stuff up? I've burned hundreds of dual-layer DVDs from various generic brands and *every single one* of them has worked perfectly fine in my home DVD player.

Then congratulations - you have the world's most forgiving DVD player. I've tried eight different brands, and four different DVD players, and they all choke on the layer break, except for Verbatim DL's.

A quick search of forums like CD Freaks will confirm that Verbatim is far and away the preferred brand for dual layer DVD's.

Re:Oh Great. Even less stable media. (1)

MasaMuneCyrus (779918) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244777)

Now take one of those DVDs and run Nero's CD-DVD Speed [cdspeed2000.com] on it.

I used to use Fujifilm all the time, because they used Taiyo-Yuden. Then they switched to Ritek, and I unknowingly bought a spindle. The first clue that something was wrong was that things played and copied from the DVD at inconsistent speeds. And then a couple were completely faulty and cut out 100's of MBs of data, randomly. So I ran CD-DVD Speed's Disc Quality on it and got spikes of errors everywhere, and the maximum read spead varied from 2x to 14x (this is a 16x DVD, too). Even on some of the Ritek DVDs that don't have too many errors, the speed on them is inanely inconsistent.

So I bought some Taiyo-Yuden DVDs from http://www.supermediastore.com/ [supermediastore.com] and tried them out. I've not gotten any bad discs from Taiyo, yet (though some people have reported bad Taiyo-discs, but nevertheless, the occurrence rate is leagues underneath that of other companies). And the speeds are very consistent. The speeds start (on my 8x Taiyo-Yuden DVD+Rs) at ~7x in the inside of the DVD, and the speed linearly increases, without any spikes at all, up to about ~12-14x on the outside of the DVD (again, these are 8x DVDs).

In anycase, I've had numerous bad experiences with Ritek DVDs since then. My cousin's computer refuses to burn 16x Ritek DVD-Rs at anything more than 2.4x, and occasionally those go bad, too. I've never had a problem with Taiyo-Yuden.

Re:Oh Great. Even less stable media. (1)

ishobo (160209) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244811)

It is well known that Ritek is junk. They make different quality media, second and third class. They have even produced fakes, media with another company's media ID. Let us go back to 2003, when Pioneer got out of the blank media business. Pioneer was one of the top tier producers and Ritek decided to step in and produce disks that were Pioneer branded. They have also faked their own media, producing third tier media labelled with their second tier media ID.

The manufacturers with at least 95% reliability are Hitachi Maxell, Mitsubishi Chemicals/Mitsubishi-Kagaku Media/Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden, Sony, and TDK. You can never be truely certain what media ID the disk is using unless you buy it. Just because Brand X is using Sony media today does not mean it will be using it two months from now. Brand X may have several different suppliers. You could end up with media produced by MCC and Ritek.

The reliability classes are 95-100%, 80-95%, 50-85%, 0-50%. Then there are the fakes, disks with faked media IDs. These disks float around online auction sites, flea markets, and sleazy dealers.

Just because TDK is a top tier manufactuer does not mean all their branded disks are first class media. They supplement media from second and third class manufactuers. I stick with Sony (Sony and Taiyo Yuden) or Verbatim (MCC and Taiyo Yuden). FYI - Verbatim used to use media from Ritek and CMC.

RW? (3, Insightful)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 6 years ago | (#19243957)

Does anyone actually use RW media?
I only occasionally see it in stores and have never seen actual discs used in the wild.

Re:RW? (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 6 years ago | (#19244327)

I do -- I listen to podcasts in my car, and since my car CD player will read MP3 files I just stick the latest podcast on the same CD-RW each day and I'm good to go. A single CD-RW lasts me a long time; much better than burning a fresh CD-R each day and throwing it away when I'm done.

Re:RW? (1)

jma05 (897351) | more than 6 years ago | (#19245423)

I do. They are especially great with packet writing. A DVD-RW is a cheap replacement for a thumb drive when you happen to have DVD writers at both ends. I basically use UDF CDRWs as modern floppy disks to move moderately large files between home and work. Not as fast as using a hard drive but faster than a network transfer. I once bought a 100 for $10 or something like that. They have and will last me for a long time.

Re:RW? (1)

Iskender (1040286) | more than 6 years ago | (#19245673)

RW is great for photographers. If one doesn't back up every time one downloads from the camera, a harddrive crash will inevitably kill some photos. Since it often makes sense to download significantly smaller amounts than 4.3 gigs, RW is to be preferred (I always use it). When the RW is full, one of course backups it to a single-write disc, in addition to keeping it all on the harddrive.

The ultimate here is of course DVD-RAM, but I haven't got the single disc I have to work under Ubuntu. That format is really recommended though despite the price for anyone who does frequent, small writes.

Re:RW? (1)

AncientPC (951874) | more than 6 years ago | (#19247555)

I have spindles of CD-RW and DVD-RW thinking I would use them for backup or other purposes.

Honestly though, with hard drives as cheap as it is it's cheaper to just write a script / set up a cron job to backup over the network (within a home environment).

I use some CD-RW's for compatible CD-MP3 players, and occasionally DVD-RW for temporary file storage or transfers bigger than my 1GB USB drive.

Compare that to dual-layer or lightscribe.... (3, Interesting)

phorm (591458) | more than 6 years ago | (#19245409)

A few months ago, I wanted to buy lightscribe discs and they were still around $25 for a 10-pack, so about $2.50 per disc

Dual-layer discs were running about the same, sometimes more. So that would be about 4.3Gb or 8.6Gb'ish...
$1.72/GB for a lightscribe, or $3.44/GB on the dual-layer

Now compare that to single-layer HD-DVD discs with 25GB, that's about $2.50/disc again.

Not too bad, all things considered (and now the dual-layer or lightscribe stuff has gone down too).

I wonder how much a dual-layer HD-DVD or LightScribe HD-DVD disc will run? My personal hope is that the newer format discs push the price of existing DVD's (especially dual-layer or scribeable ones) down, since I'm sticking with standard DVD-players at the moment.

BluRay refuses porn titles (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | more than 6 years ago | (#19245445)

Slightly offtopic, but did anyone notice one of the other articles beneath this one? It appears that Sony has cut out the adult film industry from putting titles on Blu Ray.
Here [computerworld.com]is it.

Re:BluRay refuses porn titles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19247191)

It's comfy under your rock, isn't it?

HD discs? (1)

Kanasta (70274) | more than 6 years ago | (#19246163)

I'm still waiting for cheap DVD +- DL to arrive by the spindle...
Will DL ever take off? Or will HD be mainstream by the time it arrives?

This is how much DVD-R's cost originally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19246897)

Back when they were somewhat new and writers were just starting to become affordable. BD/HD-DVD drives are still pretty expensive now though.
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