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Xerox Demos Self-Erasing, Eco-Friendly Paper

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the sitting-on-photocopiers-to-make-a-comeback dept.

Printer 204

Lucas123 writes "The same Xerox lab that brought us Ethernet, the GUI and the mouse has demonstrated paper that can be reused after printed text automatically deletes itself from its surface in a day. Instead of trashing or recycling after one use, a single piece of paper can be reused up to 100 times. 'The paper contains specially coded molecules that create a print after being exposed to ultraviolet light emitted from a thin bar in a printer. The ultraviolet bar itself is very small, so it can be used in mobile printers. The technology could also be useful for network printing.'"

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Hmmm... (4, Funny)

djcapelis (587616) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257762)

Now... where *did* I put that document...

Re:Hmmm... (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257808)

Now... where *did* I put that document...
Next invention.. Self-wiping-self-flushing-self hand-washing-self-putting-on-clothes children. I'd pay for that!

Ah yes, green paper. (1)

Mactrope (1256892) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258700)

Paper infused with a mysterious chemical that turns black on UV exposure. I wonder what that will do for ground water and office worker health.

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258714)

"My dog ate my homework" is so 20th century. The new excuse for student is "The sun erased my homework."

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Cat Panic (1001091) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258878)

User: Did I *really* send it to 'Inv'?
Me: Yes
User: Damn paper trays...I better print 2 more just to be sure.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258958)

I'm not looking forward to Xerox self-erasing toilet paper.

Hacking the paper? (4, Interesting)

niko9 (315647) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257770)

Wonder if you can recover sensitive data much like you can with over written hard disk sectors...

Re:Hacking the paper? (2, Insightful)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257824)

Maybe. But considering that it's easier to recover data from normal paper...
Anyways, can't you still shred this?

Whiteout (1)

Bovius (1243040) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258222)

I imagine if that became a concern, a simple software tool would become available that lets you run a page through a printer to black it out or fill it with random data, like shred (the command-line utility, not the physical process). It's not like it uses up ink.

Ultra violet? (4, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258364)

That stuff that comes from the sun? Don't want to take your valuable printings outside then.

Back in the 1980s we used UV erasable EPROMS. With the correct UV lamps you could erase them in seconds or minutes. If you had natural light coming onto your desk then they'd get erased, but it would take a few days. Many an engineer was stumped as to why his circuit that worked fine yesterday was behaving badly today.

Now the same problem will extend to accountants!

Possibilities... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257780)

Contract? This piece of paper is blank.

Re:Possibilities... (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257826)

Contract? This piece of paper is blank.
Except for what was written on the microdot! Ignorance is no excuse ;)

Re:Possibilities... (3, Funny)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258738)

congratulations, Xerox! You've just invented the eraser!

How can you look in to the past? (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257798)

Not as in a crystal ball or anything, but I wonder if UV light will expose what was previously printed on these papers.

Re:How can you look in to the past? (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257840)

Not as in a crystal ball or anything, but I wonder if UV light will expose what was previously printed on these papers.
You sound like my overly suspicious ex with her UV light and the bed-sheets.

Re:How can you look in to the past? (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258058)

You sound like my overly suspicious ex with her UV light and the bed-sheets.
s/ex/puritancial mother when you were "becoming a man".

There, FTF those of us who do not understand the meaning of "ex" unless it precedes -othermic, -ternal, or -tra fries please.

JK. She's now your ex... I'm guessing she found something... sounds like you should say that she was just-the-right-amount-of suspicious, not overly suspicious.

Re:How can you look in to the past? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258768)

Theoretically she could have broken off the relationship due to a room full of piss jars or perhaps his spending obsessive amounts of time on a civil war re-enactment hobby, one does not have to cheat to become an "ex".

Re:How can you look in to the past? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258638)

Maybe if you made your own stains with her she wouldn't be suspicious.

Re:How can you look in to the past? (1)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257982)

UV turns the molecules black and time or heat flips them back to "blank" state so exposing the whole page to UV ought to just turn the whole page black.

Re:How can you look in to the past? (2, Interesting)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258950)

Probably, if i know anything about chemistry its that its rarley absolute, it quite likely that statistical OCR will always be able to read what was printed on the paper.

OFC if your printing secrets on reusable paper your then given to your enemies, you probably have other problems.

If they can extend the lifetime of the pages to month or maybe even years, this would really help academic institudes and the such, where lots of stuff gets printed but is rarely needed for more than a couple of weeks.

But will the paper start to jam after a few uses? (3, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257800)

But will the paper start to jam after a few uses?
100 times is a lot of it to get jammed in the printer after a few uses.

Re:But will the paper start to jam after a few use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258180)

More importantly, how will it repair itself after it meets its unexpected enemy: the staple?

Not that the idea isn't great, it's just going to take some mind shifting in the business world.

Re:But will the paper start to jam after a few use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258242)

I would hope that they would at least use heavier weight paper so it doesn't crinkle as easily.

Re:But will the paper start to jam after a few use (1)

NilObject (522433) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258998)

The paper is printed on through UV light, so the printer mechanism wont need to be so complex, as in many modern printer formats. At least that's my assumption.

Re:But will the paper start to jam after a few use (1)

maddskillz (207500) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259006)

I'd be happy if it didn't jam the first time.

And the first customer will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257812)

the White house - now they can print out their emails as part of their fool-proof retention plan!

Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257822)

Now I can just reuse those sheets people print in the office and never seem to pick up from the printer...

But I will miss those juicy email people print and forget to pick up, good by wall of shame.

Whitehouse use? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257832)

Re:Whitehouse use? (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257862)

I bet the Whitehouse would LOVE this kind of technology [slashdot.org]...
I wonder how many presidents would have been impeached if every one of them had a UV light shone on their trousers.

Re:Whitehouse use? (1)

rleibman (622895) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258128)

As many as would lie about it to a jury...

Re:Whitehouse use? (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258228)

As many as would lie about it to a jury...
Well the law is so designed everybody is vulnerable. It's just a matter of the right people wanting you to fall.

100 times you say... (1)

Justabit (651314) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257836)

"Yes Ma'am, this product is good for the life of the Guarantee which I have included with your receipt." ...
"What's that? Ohh yes, just make sure to bring back the guarantee with you if anything goes wrong" ...
"Ohh Thank you Ma'am, and you have a nice day too"

Re:100 times you say... (1)

Faylone (880739) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259012)

Actually, many receipts already are written with ink that will disappear over time. If you want to keep them for an extended amount of time, make sure you copy them to be safe.

Perfect timing! (0)

rts008 (812749) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257850)

Now after the White House gets the lost emails back, they can then archive them on this paper?

Politics (1)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257858)

Dare say many a politician or despot (the only difference being one has better eating manners than the other and doesnt need a large supply of brown bags) will be very happy to hear this news. I can see the White house glowing like Vegas in future from all the well placed ultra-violet lighting.

The mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257868)

I didn't know that Douglas Englebart [wikipedia.org] worked for Xerox.

Der Joker Says: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257882)

Where do they get those wonderful toys? [bangbros1.com]

Kids, don't print your homework with this. (1)

xC0000005 (715810) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257892)

"I swear, my term paper was here two days ago when I turned it in."

Re:Kids, don't print your homework with this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23259056)

Or recipt! Best Buy and Circuit City have been using this self-erasing paper technology for years!

Great for contracts you don't want to abide by (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23257896)

Oh yea

etch-a-sketch (3, Funny)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257916)

What if I want to keep it for longer? Just make it so it disappears when I shake it real hard.

Re:etch-a-sketch (1)

benthurston27 (1220268) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258786)

maybe if you store it in the dark it would keep the text longer i'm not sure though

Aftermarket Inkjet Ink (1)

riskeetee (1039912) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257930)

Produces the same results. Yesterday's news [slashdot.org]

useful (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 6 years ago | (#23257994)

everyone seem to be making fun of these, but i could see them being really useful. a lot of stuff gets printed for short term use and are shredded right after.

say i go to a meeting, i print up a plan, diagram, couple pages of schematics for everyone at the meeting. that's a lot of wasted paper. then you do the presentation and everyone chucks it in the trash.

only the ludittes keeps the paper copies after the meeting, since you're likely to send them the documents by email anyway. it's just more useful to have a hard copy for the presentation

Re:useful (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258116)

How about instead of paper, you'd have your own Kindle-type [amazon.com] device. Except unlike Amazon's version, you'd have bluetooth to push presentation docs to everyone. And wifi, for grabbing content of the Intranet. Paper!? We don't need no stickin' paper!

*goes home to work on hacking his Kindle*

Re:useful (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258370)

Wow. You've just invented the hand-held computer.

Re:useful (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258446)

Really? Wow. I never thought to compare my Thinkpad to my Kindle device and realize their the same thing.

But seriously, they're nothing alike. The kindle is basically a paper replacement display and some guts to do it's job. Make it thinner, and you don't need paper in the office anymore. And no, a "handheld computer" is not the same thing.

Re:useful (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258982)

Well the, how is it not a tablet PC? I'm not very familiar with the program but it sounds like you just described OneNote.

Re:useful (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259036)

Visually compare a Tablet PC to the Kindle. Also compare the battery life. You can't liken a Kindle to a Tablet PC, anymore than you would say a compact sedan is the same as a semi truck pulling a 53' trailer. They serve different purposes.

Re:useful (1)

BlackSabbath (118110) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258442)

Wake me when you've got such a foldable/rollable A3 form-factor device with minimum 600dpi res, decent color reproduction and contrast.

Re:useful (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258482)

While I won't be the one to make such a device (not my field), I'm sure you'll see something close within 3-5 years.

obvious future use: white house emails (2, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258026)

printed text automatically deletes itself from its surface in a day.

bush white house officials were heard saying 'yippee!' and we seen frolicking to and fro.

paper that erases itself: no need for any explanations about servers not being backed up, outlook doing this or that or any of those other handy excuses. "we didn't realize we used self-erasing paper. honest, we didn't."

Dilbert (4, Funny)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258034)

I wonder how it would show up on Dilbert cartoons: "Here. Read these 50 pages and make a report. You have 24h"

Don't Trust Hewlett-Packard: It's a TRAP. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258042)


First HP Employees were portrayed accuratley in the documentary Fahrenheit 454 as Firemen driving around in their Big-Block cruisers and El Camino's burning rubber. Now, they're taking back their Ink in this fantastic series of unfortunate events, narrated by none-other than Harry Knowles.

My.. Eyes.. are BLEEEDinG

Hold on to this one, Xerox (1)

dsnet2 (1252632) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258060)

Hopefully Xerox learned from their mistake in the 80s in practically giving away their great ideas. Which is why still to this day many people think that Apple, or (god forbid) Microsoft invented the GUI and/or mouse.

I can see it now:
*cue flashback harps*

"As innovative as it is, this wacky graphical interface will never take off. Let those weirdo Apple guys have it."

10 years later...

"F**k."

They've been touting this for years (1)

TheSpatulaOfLove (966301) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258070)

Xerox has been trumpeting this technology at least as long as I've been slinging copiers for a living (nearly 10 years).


Considering how Xerox writes contracts, I wouldn't be surprised if they developed this technology for their own use!

"I know that oppressive contract I signed with Xerox had a service level agreement...Where is it?! IT WAS RIGHT HERE!!"

Print this story (3, Insightful)

Skapare (16644) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258076)

Next thing we'll have is DRM enabled printing that refuses to print this story unless it gets printed with self-erasing ink. But you can print it on permanent ink if you are a registered user. Registration is free. Enter your SSN here.

MPAA...get ready (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258078)

I see the Manufacturers of Paper Assoc. of America suing users for using one sheet of paper for more than one print and putting all the hard working paper mill workers and their families out on the streets!

Wha?? (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258110)

Double-take... did anyone else read "Xerox Hemos Self-effacing, CowboyNeal Pager"?

Or did I just come to the realization that too many 20-hour days is bad for reading comprehension and eyesight, and taking a break on slashdot is possibly not the best course of action?

Is next big thing (2, Insightful)

xSacha (1000771) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258124)

This is going to get picked up and achieve wide use if it's cheap enough.
The mouse, GUI and ethernet: these guys know what people want.

Perfect timing for all these companies who say they want to become environmentally friendly. Same companies that go through reams of paper every day.If there's cost savings involved as well this is a no-brainer.

I've seen this before... (1)

denttford (579202) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258176)

Wait, I know!
They reinvented thermal paper! On purpose!

Re:I've seen this before... (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258640)

My thought exactly. I remember my first job, which was in a research lab (back in the 1980s). We had notebook after notebook filled with tens of thousands of pages of mass spectrometer data, printed out on a trusty HP thermal printer (which BTW, speaking of the old days, was connected to our HP1000 via HP-IB bus). Thing is, come the 1990s it became apparent that those old notebooks turned out to be filled with pretty much *blank* paper.

Fortunately the end data had been saved - to mag tape. :-D

Thermal printers - blech... (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258184)

Welcome to the 1970s and thermal printers. They self erased too and paper has always been re-usable.

Paper IS already "eco friendly" (2, Interesting)

Mc_Anthony (181237) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258192)

Most (if not all) new paper comes from farmed trees - a renewable resource. We don't cut down virgin forests for paper. It's actually the recycling of paper that is a disaster for the environment. To this day, the paper recycling industry is the largest polluter of water in the US, due to all of the harsh chemicals needed in the process. Not to mention it's very expensive and requires government subsidies.

Re:Paper IS already "eco friendly" (1)

AlHunt (982887) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258468)

Any chance you have a site or two handy for reference? I'll help spread the word.

Paper? Oh, How seventies...... (1)

rueger (210566) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258196)

I missed the chance for an obvious Bush joke, so in all seriousness....

I moved about a month ago, and still haven't unpacked my printers. I think I printed three or four pages on a friend's printer last month, but that's it.

Virtually everything that I do these days is electronic - letters, ordering, resumes, photos - you name it. The only times that I print anything are handouts for meetings once in a long, long while, and drafts of really important proposals where I find that actually reading them off paper helps me to see errors and omissions.

My kids use significantly more of my stationary than I do.

Re:Paper? Oh, How seventies...... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259080)

If you are the guy that is awesome because he stopped watching so much TV a few months ago, I'm the guy that is even more awesome because he doesn't even own a TV.

Of course, what I mean is that I never bought new ink cartridges after I graduated from college. I wonder if my printer even works anymore.

I remember using this at school... (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258250)

We wrote on paper, then were able to reuse it at a later date. Sure, it wasn't as fancy as a printer, but the pencil and eraser sure worked well enough for me...

Careful outside... (1)

Macgyver7017 (629825) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258256)

Since its sensitive to UV, I guess you better be careful taking it outside or leaving it near a window. (Yes, I know most glass blocks a lot of UV, but still).

Re:Careful outside... (1)

tenco (773732) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258324)

Exactly my thought when i read "UV light". Only useful for in-house use (with no windows). When you get out, your paper turns black.

The Same Lab? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258278)

I doubt it was the same lab - the lab that brought us Ethernet (and the GUI, and Object Oriented programming) was their Palo-Alto Research Center (PARC) which has been spun off as a separate company.

Re:The Same Lab? (1)

cureless (35682) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258354)

This was at PARC

Re:The Same Lab? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258814)

An the mouse didn't come from Xerox, it came from SRI (formerly Stanford Research Institute)

http://www.sri.com/about/timeline/mouse.html

Obvious questions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258282)

So it can be reused 100 times. Great for short-term printouts. But:
  1. Does manufacturing this paper cause less than 100 times the environmental damage of the same quantity of normal paper? What if the normal paper is recycled?
  2. Once it's hit its use limit, can it be recycled?
  3. What happens if somebody scribbles all over it with pencil or pen, or, heaven forbid, permanent marker?
Just the obvious questions that spring to mind from a quick read of the summary. And it seems that the article doesn't provide answers to those, either.

UV from the sun? (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258322)

What happens when you place the paper in direct sunlight (which, too, contains UV wavelengths)?

Re:UV from the sun? (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258804)

it probably slowly blackens, like what happens if you place thermal paper near a heat source

That would be really useful... except... (1)

Linux_ho (205887) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258348)

...except for documents that have been marked up, stapled, or folded. So, about 80% of the stuff I print wouldn't be reusable anyway. That adds up to a big fat MEH.

For those of us who like to make annotations... (1)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258382)

The paper isn't going to be very reusable if you want to make notes on it. Which is the main advantage to printing things out in the first place (the other advantage being the ability to spread loose paper out on a table or any other large, flat surface).

Re:For those of us who like to make annotations... (1)

barefoothannibal (967579) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258500)

The paper isn't going to be very reusable if you want to make notes on it. Which is the main advantage to printing things out in the first place (the other advantage being the ability to spread loose paper out on a table or any other large, flat surface).
What about an ultraviolet pen? It would be a nice scratchpad for those of us who like doodling at our desk. How about someone sketches their idea in pen, and then you can make suggested changes in UV. If the person likes it, (s)he will trace over it; if not, the changes fade.

Re:For those of us who like to make annotations... (1)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258646)

That would certainly work -- you just need a UV LED in the tip I think. I'm not aware of anyone planning to make one at this point though.

Re:For those of us who like to make annotations... (1)

LeadLine (1278328) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258974)

You'd also need to get a UV pen through consumer safety committees. I doubt that would be easy.

Re:For those of us who like to make annotations... (1)

greysunrise (1261960) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259064)

You would definitely have to invent some kind of reactive spray so that you could activate your ghostly UV writing. We could call it..........Ghostwriter

paper handling (1)

Triv (181010) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258414)

That printer's paper handling had better be absolutely amazing - I can't foresee a situation where a stack of daily-used, mildly dog-eared papers DOESN'T jam the thing on a regular basis.

let me guess... (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258496)

... they have to say it'll last 100 times or it won't be economical.

computers MAKE more paper, not less of it. why do you think printers have been getting faster and faster. paperless office is a myth.

Re:let me guess... (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258832)

Paperless office could probably be possible if nothing ever had to go INTO or OUT FROM the office.

Just had a random thought... I bet some of the spammers have a paperless office.

college fun? (1)

phybere (970508) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258506)

Imagine the fun that I'll have with professors when they constantly lose my homework...

Warranty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258522)

"Yeah, no problem, this product comes with a full replacement warranty. Just hold on to *this* receipt." -snicker

I actually had the door person at Bunnings (australian hardware chain) tell me I should photocopy the thermally printed receipt because of their tendency to fade.

not quite what's needed (1)

greenslashpurple (1236792) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258574)

>> Predictions that paper would disappear in the 1970s in favor of electronic documents were wrong

That's because no-one's ever given us E-paper. I don't want or need a whole forest of paper to be re-used after a single day (or whatever arbitrary number they set). I just want a single big sheet of foldable, high contrast (equivalent to todays paper-paper) E-paper that I can re-use whenever I see fit. I need it to be able to update wirelessless whatever data I happen to want (e.g. page 7 of the NYT), through a simple interface. And I need it be inter-active. If I double-tap a word, for instance, I want it to provide me with a definition, or perhaps wiki article, about that word. This reusable paper doesn't even come close.

Makes sense (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258586)

Now we know how the government archived those missing e-mails.

Not exactly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258644)

The mouse was invented at SRI International, not Xerox PARC!

The trees will be happy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258756)

Until they realize it takes a full tree to produce a single sheet of these papers.

Politician's wet dream! (1)

rossz (67331) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258812)

Just think, you can safely print out your "standard lobbyist price list" and it will erase itself, thus rendering it useless in corruption trials. w00t!

newspaper? (2, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258848)

I wonder if that would work for newspapers? If they could make the paper more durable, you could read the paper, and when you picked up the next day's paper you could toss them the old one for a "deposit" discount on the next one. They'd just use it again. Save them on paper costs?

Perfect for school reports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23258930)

How long will it take for a student to turn in a stack of blank paper and say "I swear I wrote my report, but it erased itself after 24 hours"

Only from the Xoo (1)

BanjoBob (686644) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258932)

Xerox invents a paper where the printing disappears in a day. Not a bad idea for a copier company. Now you can make permanent copies from your prints and then reuse the print paper. Their new CEO is a lot like Carly!

How much? (1)

ohxten (1248800) | more than 6 years ago | (#23258934)

Yes, but how much?

customer (1)

brre (596949) | more than 6 years ago | (#23259052)

In a related story, the White House has ordered 6 thousand reams of the new paper, to be used to print out email [google.com] .
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