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Server Failure Destroys Sidekick Users' Backup Data

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the oh-well-enough-said dept.

Bug 304

Expanding on the T-Mobile data loss mentioned in an update to an earlier story, reader stigmato writes "T-Mobile's popular Sidekick brand of devices and their users are facing a data loss crisis. According to the T-Mobile community forums, Microsoft/Danger has suffered a catastrophic server failure that has resulted in the loss of all personal data not stored on the phones. They are advising users not to turn off their phones, reset them or let the batteries die in them for fear of losing what data remains on the devices. Microsoft/Danger has stated that they cannot recover the data but are still trying. Already people are clamoring for a lawsuit. Should we continue to trust cloud computing content providers with our personal information? Perhaps they should have used ZFS or btrfs for their servers."

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homemade cell phone porn videos cried out and then were silenced.

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Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Reports
(Note: We are not a GOP-sters, Republicans or affiliated with any parties, and as George Washington warned against parties We do not believe in parties and, unlike most people, We evaluate every issue on a case by case basis and do not defer to the judgments of politicians who are corrupted and untrustworthy as a group.)

Obama is controlled by the same people as Bush see The Obama Deception documentary [youtube.com] [youtube.com]

Yuan Forwards Show China May Buy Fewer Treasuries, UBS Says [bloomberg.com] [bloomberg.com]
  Anemic Treasury auction effects felt beyond bonds [reuters.com] [reuters.com]
  The Sherminator Kicks Some Wall Street Ass [dailybail.com] [dailybail.com]
  China Angry That Fed Is Deliberately Destroying The Dollar [bloomberg.com] [bloomberg.com]
  China suggests switch from dollar as reserve currency [bbc.co.uk] [bbc.co.uk]
  What are the reserve currencies? [wsj.net] [wsj.net]
  Anatomy of a taxpayer giveaway to investors [ml-implode.com] [ml-implode.com]
  Geithner rescue package 'robbery of the American people' [telegraph.co.uk] [telegraph.co.uk]
  Geithner just put only the rich in Titanics lifeboats [examiner.com] [examiner.com]
  Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers [cnbc.com] [cnbc.com]
  A False Choice [viewfromsi...valley.com] [viewfromsi...valley.com]
  Bargain-hunting house buyers wearing on sellers ajc.com [ajc.com] [ajc.com]
  Time to Take the Steering Wheel out of Geithner's Hands [alternet.org] [alternet.org]
  Socialising and Privatising [freeradical.co.nz] [freeradical.co.nz]
  Fannie, Freddie to pay out bonuses [politico.com] [politico.com]
  Fitch Raises Prime Jumbo Loan Loss Estimates Sharply [researchrecap.com] [researchrecap.com]

Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund [ft.com] [ft.com]

- Russia on an new world reserve currency: It is necessary to work out and adopt internationally recognized standards for macroeconomic and budget policy, which are binding for the leading world economies, including the countries issuing reserve currencies - the Kremlin proposals read. [en.rian.ru] [en.rian.ru]

- President Barack "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption. Rahm Emanuel, his Chief of Staff, is radical authoritarian statist whose father was part of the murderous civilian-killing Israeli terrorist organization known as IRGUN who is obsessed with gun control and compulsory service to the country in a capacity which he has yet to define. (Think brown-shirts.) Barack is intimately connected to disgraced Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat). Barack Obama is also connected to William Ayers (who ghost-wrote his books); Ayers is a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom. Saul Alinsky, a man who made the quote as follows, "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer," is a man who had much influence on the young Barack Obama. A man who admired Lucifer for gaining his own kingdom in an act of rebellion. Barack also subscribed to Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a Afro-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer at the hands of angry African-American mobs. There are over 30 million Americans on food stamps, and more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist." There is no conspiracy against African Americans here by citizens.
- Obama - AIPAC-bootlicker, corrupted to the bone Chicago-style and a traitor to the US Constitution and a liar whose real "legal" name could very well be Barry Sotero and an Indonesian citizen (The US does not allow plural citizenship) (If you care, not that it matters anymore under a lawless authoritarian totalitarian regime such as Barack Obama's, you can see more here at an aggregator; obamacrimes.info [obamacrimes.info] [obamacrimes.info] )
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon, many lobbyists getting exemptions even though Obama promised not to have them. This is one of many things Obama has lied about.
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury. Bumbling tax cheat idiot Timothy Geithner in "command" of Treasury, with 17 positions unfilled as of late March 2009.
- Obama's cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- Obama lied about having a new degree of accountability and a "sunshine" period for new laws; Obama has signed bills with little or no time for public review at whitehouse.gov as promised. In fact, one of the largest spending bills in US history was passed into law with several members of the House and Senate telling the public there was no time to review the bill, let alone the public.
- Pork Spendulus Bill (The Stimulus Bill) contained language that came directly from Tom Daschle (who published a book detailing his machinations to slip healthcare under the radar in some back portion of a budgeting bill). This language included the funding and authority to set up a central database of all medical treatments rendered, and the Stimulus bill also contains language that alters the Medicare-style instructions to doctors: The most economic treatments should now be used, no longer use the treatments with the most efficacy. Rationed health care, courtesy of a disgraced tax cheat, Tom Daschle. When you relatives are dying in a state hospital because their quota was reached, see how you feel.
- Obama appointed a Second-Amendment violating-denying Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice and thinks of Americans and cowardly racists.
- Obama has put no money at all in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads - apparently to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a lot to hide. They literally lived very close to each other, Rahm had (until being Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama did owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are preemptively using Blagojevich and trying to publically malign and discredit him because he has information that can bring Obama and Rahm Emanuel down. This is the true face of Obama, ruthless, calculating conniving cheat that will stop at nothing to gain and retain power at any cost breaking any rule.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Barack "The Teleprompter" Obama is so corrupted it's a joke. He is connected to international arms dealers, shady property dealings and people of ill repute to gain what he needs from them: financial bootstrapping of his campaign to rule America.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the US Federal Budget pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
  2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org] [wikimedia.org]
  2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org] [wikimedia.org]
Now Obama wants to drastically expand the areas of the budget which are getting the most funding by far. There is simply not enough money to fund the obligations made to the public thus far (Unfunded debt obligations which are to pay for the guarantees of social security), let alone Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and other social spending which seeks to guarantee a standard of living to people which is lower what they could gain for themselves. This is an attempt to break the middle class' back so they now need government aid to survive.
- Barack Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and "change you can believe in" will strap you, your children and your grandchildren with more debt. "No taxation without representation!" Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born. This is co-opting those who cannot vote to pay for this man's reckless and illegal endeavor to make everyone a feudal serf of the federal government.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state)?
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstate highway system, the USA could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead this money is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is still unfunded, and without massive head-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could never be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security, or address any of the out of control egregious spending going on today via the budgets, the federal reserve and its taxation via inflation, or by bailouts and stimulus bills. This is the worst, most unintelligent and most hated congress in the history of the United States, and we have a seriously incompetent and potentially dangerous-to-the-free-constitutional-republic Barack Obama rubber stamping this bloody mess.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he recently quit; the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards. The USA is already broke and cannot conceivably pay its obligations today.
  Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com] [usatoday.com]
  US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets nothing from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Barack Obama says the USA needs his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. This is pure folderol and a lie. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.

- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, airport and FAA taxes and fees, estate tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are incapable of understanding what it takes to build and maintain a successful industrialized republic.

- As the US nationalizes/rations healthcare to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is not a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS infected blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was "all cleared" twice of the cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of funding the middle east via constant demand for middle-eastern oil, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
- The pentagon along with Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc, could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com] [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists - their numbers are growing within Obama's ranks as he issues exemptions.
- The US Government already has over 50% of the budget spent on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements! And this is still a "George Bush" budget. Over half is being spend on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security.
- This man is such a propagandist that he invented "The Office of the President Elect," the seals, the flags, the podium and that forum was all props and the media never once questioned any of it. It was an invention. This is the power of Obama, technicalities and rules do not apply.
- The Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and is turning it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff the pseudo-socialist authoritarian Obama sells (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war. The scariest thing about Obamabots is the amount of pleasure they derive from completely defying the US Constitution and giving the government non-enumerated non-extant powers to rule over everyone's quality of life.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it will destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is not fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!) Also, what Obama fails to mention is the states are now compelled to implement his new rules, and to follow the rules the states must raise taxes. Obama may not tax those under 250k, but every last one of the 50 states will.
- Barack Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious pork laden stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, calling for new reserve currencies, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
-How dare the taxpayers question what Barack Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Barack Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Barack Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron at best. He is a man child, akin to Michael Jackson, who does not live in the real world. This guy has turned the White House into a Neverland Ranch.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point while the rest of the world steadily loses faith in one of the two things that makes the USA relevant in the world at all: the dollar as a "hard" or reserve currency and the US military.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor. Already there is talk of banning firearms to help Mexico's fight against the cartels. What they fail to mention is the firearms that are being used there are Mexican Military firearms being used by those who defected from the Mexican Army into the cartels directly! The firearms in question were sold to the Mexican military, over 170,000 soldiers are gone with the guns. And now the US citizens have to give up inalienable and enumerated rights? This is insanity.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" not a free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
  "why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
  (A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
  "With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Barack Obama is actually dumb enough to think you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper. He is screwed in the head or, more likely, lying to the American public to quickly get done the things he wants to get done before he gets thrown out on his ass.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore- its about spending the future to the point where today collapses. History is replete with examples of fiat currencies and deficit spending leading to collapse.
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, it is never coming back barring systemic collapse. The only President to ever see the US Public Debt at $0 dollars is Andrew Jackson.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable. And while Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, David Walker, Nouriel Roubini, Warren Buffet and Jim Rodgers warn about or predict all the failures, people still refuse to listen to the possibility that the US economy may contract for many years, and spending at these levels is something that can give way to a collapse.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - this unhinged budgeting and currency management crisis needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com] [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes need new money or they cease to exist. This is why the Federal Reserve is trying to issue more Reserve Notes. Without this fresh input of printed money, the Ponzi scheme will collapse.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying. Instead of seeing the truth and the bottom line of the unfunded debt obligations, they want HOPE and CHANGE, which are simply concepts which the foolish change into their own personal hopes and changes, but Obama never bothered to outline what to hope for exactly or what he will be changing.
- We have a fraud, a huckster, an empty suit for a President, a Community Organizer. This man does not have the ability to formulate an original thought, or to command action. He is a know nothing that lives in a pretend world just like Michael Jackson ensconced himself in Neverland ranch, he will hide behind those who surround him, which happen to be incompetent people who have no compunction about spending the country into oblivion to achieve personal agendas.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of GDP, manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period. end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is over. Possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com] [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com] [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov] [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com] [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com] [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Re:Kicking it oldskool (-1, Troll)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710261)

A nicely put together pile of BS, mister. I am not a closed-minded person and open for everything. I believe that the WTC towers were collapsed by detonation, for example. But the Obama deception is pure crap once you verify the sources.

I got a nice ending for you as well:

"Half-truths are worse than lies"


Re:Kicking it oldskool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710449)

The title is a reference to this being an old fucking troll from the start of this year.

Apparently, it's new to you. Don't feed the trolls, dumbass.

"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Insightful)

Manip (656104) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709757)

This seems a rather silly point to make. I know this is Slashdot and we have to suggest Open Source alternatives but throwing out random file systems as a suggestion to fix poor management and HARDWARE issues is some place between ignorant and silly.

Perhaps they should have had at least mirrored or stripped raid, with an off-site backup every week or so?

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709795)

retarded comments like that are the reason these zealots aren't taken seriously in the enterprise.

i'd hazard a guess that the offsite backups were corrupted as well somehow or were silently failing.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709901)

Exactly, this can be a software bug too and that could possibly easily destroy or corrupt backup data too. I really doubt this service was ran without backups.

The type of filesystem has nothing to do with this.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Insightful)

Znork (31774) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710045)

I really doubt this service was ran without backups.

Knowing 'enterprise' backups I'd bet there was at least a backup client installed and running. However, I'm equally sure that the backups were, at best, tested once in a disaster recovery exercise and were otherwise never verified.

Further, responsibility would probably be shared between a storage department, a server operations department and an application management department, neatly ensuring that no single person or function is in the position to even know what data is supposed to be backed up, what limitations there are to ensure consistency (cold/hot/inc/etc), to monitor that that's actually what does happen and that it keeps happening as the application and server configuration evolves.

Backups of dubious value do not seem to be a rarity in enterprise settings.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Interesting)

asaul (98023) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710161)

Dubious backups? Depends. We had a system which was a 6TB cluster that was notoriously difficult to back up. This went on for years, it took too long, failures caused issues downstream etc. Then someone took a moment to realise that the application was not capable of re-using that 6Tb of data if it was restored - once the data came in it was processed and archived. To recover the application all they had to do was backup a few gig of config and binaries, and restart slurping data from upstream again. Viola - backup stripped down to nothing, 6TB a day of data less to backup, and next to no failures as it was now so quick to backup.

Then there is the case of an application which the vendor and application developer signed off on using a backup solution using a daily BCV snapshot. What they failed to tell us was application not only held data in a database, but in a 6G binary blob file buried deep in the application filesystem. If the database and the binary where out of sync in any way, it could mean missed or replayed transactions or generally that the application was inconsistant. As this was an order management platform, that was bad. You can guess the day we found out about this dependancy.... yup, data corruption, bad vendor advice screwed the binary file and all we had to go on was a backup some 23 hours old where the database was backed up an hour after the application. Because of a corresponding database SNAFU, the recover point was actually another day before that, with the database having to be rolled forward. It was at this point we found out the despite the signed off backup solution, the vendors documented recommendations (that were not supplied to us) was that the only good backup was a cold application one - not possible on a core order platform. Thankfully after some 56 hours of solid work the application vendor managed to help sort the issue out and the restore from backup was not actually needed. The backups were never really tested as the DR solution worked on SRDF - the DR consideration for data corruption was never really part of the design (from a very high level, not just this platform).

So there you have it. Two dubious Enterprise backups - one not needed, the other not usable.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (3, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710109)

A bug that sneaks into the two or three offsite locations, destroying the tapes which are randomly checked before being shipped to ensure they contain valid data? Really nasty those bugs.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Interesting)

malchus842 (741252) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710049)

One reason why our corporate policy is that we actually have to validate backups for every system on a regular basis (this means doing a full restore of a tape called from off-site), where the regularity is directly proportional to the criticality of the system. The more critical, the more often we test. On our iSeries, they restore the weekly backup tape EVERY week on the QA server - both for the purposes of refreshing it, AND to validate the backups. We also have a quarterly 'random' test where a system is chosen randomly and it must be recovered from bare metal using only our standard procedures + the backup tape.

We've discovered all kinds of strangeness with backup tapes through the years. Our Tier 1 systems have completely separate instances in geographically diverse areas, with data-replication.

Granted, this isn't cheap, but our data isn't either.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710457)

I've always been amazed that tape is trusted as much as it is. It seem (anecdotally at least) to have a disproportionately high failure rate.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Funny)

mike260 (224212) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710067)

There are plausible reports as to how this happened here [hiptop3.com] .

tl;dr - They tried upgrading their SAN without making a backup first, and the upgrade somehow hosed the entire SAN.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Interesting)

bertok (226922) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710299)

There are plausible reports as to how this happened here [hiptop3.com] .

tl;dr - They tried upgrading their SAN without making a backup first, and the upgrade somehow hosed the entire SAN.

That's the thing that has always worried me most about SANs: you have all your eggs in one basket. No matter how redundant or reliable the hardware is, one bad update or trigger-happy admin can cause the instant loss of all your data. That's only slightly better than having your data center burn down. You still have your hardware, but a total restore like that can be a nightmare. I've heard somewhere that 80% of corporations couldn't recover from a scenario like that.

Here's some fun numbers: a typical tape restore runs at something like 70MB/sec, if you're lucky, per tape drive. Some small low-end SANs that I see people buying these days are 10TB or bigger. At those speeds, it takes 40 hours to restore the complete system. What's worse is that it doesn't scale all that well either, you can get more drives, but the storage controllers and back-end FC loops become a limit. If you have some big cloud provider scenario, a complete restore could take days, or even weeks.

What's scary is that mirroring or off-site replicas don't help. If your array starts writing bad blocks, those will get mirrored also.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Interesting)

vk2 (753291) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710461)

Thats why you have logical redundancies. I work for a fortune 10 company and this is a standard practice for all mission critical applications. The application has be to geographically redundant with install base at least at 3 data centers (ATL,SEA and DLS). Different SAN technology at each DC. All Oracle databases have 2 physical dataguard configuration with 4 hours and 8 hours latency (to guard against user errors) and all J2EE apps hard configured to switch connections from one db to the other almost on the fly or with a reboot. Some really really critical databases have all this and transaction duplication via Goldengate to remote databases to off load reporting queries. We have had issues where SAs screwed up allocating LUNs and ended up f*cking up the file systems but we recovered in every scenario even a 30 TB DB restore over 2 days.

Its amazing a consumer serving company like T-Mobile risked itself by hosting their application on Microsoft platform;. Furthermore where is the DR in all this? Who the F*ck in the right mind fiddle something on SAN without confirming a full backup of all applications/databases? It appears that Hitachi and Microsoft are at fault here (if SAN maintenance is the root cause of this failure) but T-Mobile is the fool allowing these companies to ruin their data. Not only there won't be any consequences because of this issue to MS or Hitachi - T-Mobile will be pouring in more money to fly in the MS and Hitachi consultants.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710079)

Repeat after me, you haven't got backups unless you've tested RESTORES.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (5, Insightful)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710209)

It's not a backup unless you can prove it will restore. Until then it's just a waste of tape, or disk, and time

The point about backups is not to tick the box saying "taken backup?" but to provide your business / customers / whatever with a reliable last resort for restoring almost all their data. If you don't have 100% certainty that it will work, you don't have a backup.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710331)

What's really retarded is that using zfs would prevent bitrot and warn you of impending or intermittent hardware failures but is seen as OSS zealotry by people who haven't thought out the problem.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Informative)

rastilin (752802) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709807)

This seems a rather silly point to make. I know this is Slashdot and we have to suggest Open Source alternatives but throwing out random file systems as a suggestion to fix poor management and HARDWARE issues is some place between ignorant and silly.

Not as silly as it might appear. One of ZFS's main functions is that it can compensate for some degree of hardware failure.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709915)

Using one ZFS would just create a different single point of failure, one which is also relatively complex and therefore does not provide satisfactory disaster recovery options. Redundancy should be provided by independent systems. That means that they're ideally implemented differently even though they serve the same function. For example, it's pretty useless to have two fibers coming into a facility if these fibers are taking the same route or are even in the same bundle: A backhoe will get both of them. An implementation bug in a filesystem will very likely affect both redundant stores. Even using two separate filesystems has that flaw. Storage systems should keep redundant data on separate systems with different filesystems. Then the single point of failure is the splitter which sends the data to both storage systems. A failure at that point does not destroy the data. It only affects your ability to access it. Due to its low complexity, it's also a component which can easily be replaced.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709925)

> Not as silly as it might appear. One of ZFS's main functions is that it can compensate for some degree of hardware failure.

The problem is not how to compensate for "some degree of hardware failure", but how to avoid any data loss. I believe the answer is `keep full backups` and you can do this perfectly well on FAT32.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (1)

rastilin (752802) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710039)

The problem is not how to compensate for "some degree of hardware failure", but how to avoid any data loss. I believe the answer is `keep full backups` and you can do this perfectly well on FAT32.

Even with full backups, you'll still lose the data you had between the last backup and the failure event

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (0)

asaul (98023) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710187)

Which begs the question, where are THOSE backups then?

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Interesting)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710063)

Ever try to restore from a ZFS corruption? It IS easy and it can be done. However...

What if the data was on an EMC storage array and the tech told them its all lost? What if your dealing with a Teir 1 vender (I am looking at you Dell Equallogic) that swears UP and DOWN that there is no way to recover the system after a second drive out of a RAID 5 has been pulled? Hell, try just a standard raid 5 card from a Teir 1 vender. (Not talking about calling like 3ware support directly, they are honestly good and recovered a few arrays with them)

I "suspect" that they are running it off a storage array that failed big time, or lost the LUN, or just someone decided to die and take the server with it. There is just to much we don't know. Was Dagger installed on multi-servers? Was it clustered? Is it a cloud system? Does it run its own storage system or requires additional hardware?

But you know what? ZFS, EMC even Windows 2008, All moot. Why? WHERE ARE THE TAPE BACKUPS?!?! SERIOUSLY. The ONLY way they have lost ALL that data was that they didn't have backup solution. Otherwise their "press release" would say "...however we will be restoring the data from last week/months tapes..."

I do like how they keep saying "Microsoft/Danger" as if they are at fault. A good admin would expect a new car would catch fire and run into a bus full of nuns.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710201)

Is it a cloud system?

It's safe to say it wasn't made of water vapor.

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (4, Informative)

gravos (912628) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709857)

The current major cloud providers (Google and Amazon) both replicate your permanent data to multiple hard disks (Google: 3, not sure about Amazon) in multiple areas of the datacenter, and I know Google is looking at providing replication to different datacenters (which is more complex than replication in the same datacenter because of the time delay).

Re:"they should have used ZFS or btrfs" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709903)

Perhaps they should have had at least mirrored or stripped raid

First of all, it spelled "striped" and second, that was probably what they had (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels)

- Peder

undelete (not de-corrupt) (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710131)

Have ZFS/btrfs developed tools to undelete or rescue files? It is pretty hopeless for ext[234] in my experience.

Re:undelete (not de-corrupt) (2, Informative)

myxiplx (906307) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710155)

Yes, it's called a snapshot. Take a snapshot and you can either roll the entire system back to that point in time, or just browse its contents and extract the files you want.

A server failure? (3, Informative)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709765)

A server failure caused all of the data to be lost?

No backups? Not even a spare server with a mirror of the data? No servers in different places? No off-site backup strategy?

As an aside, why would that data be stored in volatile non-battery backed up ram? All of my graphing calculators have a special battery to keep the ram, and they aren't even supposed to store important stuff. Flash is cheap enough these days, why should simply removing the battery cause important data to be lost?

Re:A server failure? (3, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709847)

Reportedly sidekicks are thin clients, other than making phone calls, everything on the phone is saved on the server side. Which is a special kind of retarded, in today's world where a blackberry performs all the same functions, and provides a local backup feature. But yeah as for the backups, all your backups are worthless if your data backup code is flawed, and nobody ever checks the backup tapes. When MS bought the service, they probably changed the location the servers were in, plugged everything back in, and kept going. I imagine a project like that would be on a short timetable, and "checking to see that the backup tapes are really being backed up to" is low on the priority list when the service is already live.

Re:A server failure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710001)

Sounds familiar. Having a backup protocol and a monkey to change the tapes (that's me!) is a whole world away from verifying that the data is actually backed up and that it's restorable.

Even so, a failure to have those backups is a shocking failure of service. Go go gadget lawsuits!

Re:A server failure? (0)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710021)

That's a good point. I would guess Microsoft only bought Sidekick for the IP and staff, so the Sidekick itself would probably be more of an annoyance than an asset. Maybe this is Microsoft's way of getting rid of customers! Probably not, as the saying goes: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".

Re:A server failure? (4, Informative)

Serious Callers Only (1022605) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710031)

There's some interesting background leaks on the takeover of Danger in this article [appleinsider.com] which seem to imply they cut a lot of staff, and gutted the company, which is now running on a skeleton staff. So I guess it's not too surprising when this sort of mistake is made. Not the most reliable source, but they did definitely cut a lot of danger staff after the acquisition.

Re:A server failure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710047)

It takes a special kind of retarded to make Blackberries look good!

Haha - captcha was 'cremated'!!!

Thin client: Android, too? (2, Insightful)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710135)

Reportedly sidekicks are thin clients, other than making phone calls, everything on the phone is saved on the server side. Which is a special kind of retarded

Isn't that also how Android works?

I mean sure, the apps and such are on internal flash, but it's a different story for your "important" data such as email or contacts list. Heck, as I've learned, one can't even read one's existing ("synced") email without a working web connection. How they can call that "syncing", and what it's doing besides simple header indexing, is beyond me.

This is another reason I am loath to trust "the cloud" -- if I know I can be self-sufficient (in a data accessibility context), that's going to be much better than storing things on a corporate server and hope that said corporation is not going to, um, fall from the sky.

Re:Thin client: Android, too? (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710311)

Isn't that also how Android works?


Re:A server failure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710321)

I imagine [...] "checking to see that the backup tapes are really being backed up to" is low on the priority list when the service is already live.

Sorry to say, I hope you're not a network or system administrator. If you are, please let us know which company we should avoid like the plague.

Re:A server failure? (4, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709909)

A server failure caused all of the data to be lost?

Maybe it was the server failure . . . maybe they only had one . . . ?

Why not store the data on phone permanent memory? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709771)

I mean, having the data backed up in the net may be nice, but not having it stored on permanent memory in the phone IMHO is silly. Even without a server failure: What if you don't have net access, and your phone's battery gets empty? I also expect to be able to switch off my phone any time I want without data loss, no matter whether I currently have net access, and no matter whether I have actually changed and data since the last time having net access.

Re:Why not store the data on phone permanent memor (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709843)

Because the entire Sidekick architecture is very client-serverish, not transparent as with ordinary phones (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/etc. through a NAT to internet at large); the server is supposed to be responsible for all that data, and the phone is just caching it. Given that architecture, asking why the local copy is on volatile RAM is analogous to asking why your CPU doesn't have a battery backup for system RAM, or even L2 cache.

That's one of the big reasons I didn't go with a sidekick, even though they have (or had, last I was shopping around) basically the cheapest internet plans available; they push all sorts of stuff that's handled by the phone in any other system off to the Danger servers,. While that does expose you to other people losing your data, as seen here, I didn't even consider that. I just like having a direct internet pipe, so I can run whatever software I want locally.

That said, there are plain benefits to the Sidekick model, for some people. Basically, if you don't want to do funny stuff on your phone, and if you're no less incompetent than the MS/Danger sysadmins, it's better. After all, if you drop your sidekick in a toilet, run over it with a truck, and vaporise it with a plasgun, you can just get a new one and have all your data back -- which is good, since if you're 95% of people, you've _never_ backed up your phone's data. But it's not for me, and given your desire to have your phone work as a PDA even if you power-cycle it in a wilderness/cave/other net-less place, it's not for you either.

Re:Why not store the data on phone permanent memor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710297)

After all, if you drop your sidekick in a toilet, run over it with a truck, and vaporise it with a plasgun, you can just get a new one and have all your data back -- which is good, since if you're 95% of people, you've _never_ backed up your phone's data.

With services like MobileMe for the iPhone, that's no longer a unique advantage.

What about the backups? (4, Interesting)

christwohig (1579191) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709775)

So are we saying microsoft didn't have a backup? what about a offsite backup? Who wants to bet they were using their own backup solution? if they had a decent storage array they could have had snapshots and offsite replica's to restore from

Sidekick (4, Funny)

nadaou (535365) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709777)

shit, is that TSR still hanging around? goodness!

If the above means anything to you, "apt-get install joe mc" will make you smile as well.

Re:Sidekick (1)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709813)

Hehe I was an avid user of Sidekick. And yes, 'joe' happens to be my unix editor of choice.

Re:Sidekick (1)

Tetra (19680) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710093)

apt-get install mc is the FIRST thing I do after debootstrap.

Re:Sidekick (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710269)

When i first read the headline i also thought, "wtf, is that still around?".

I do miss Norton Commander but Midnight Commander is really nice as a replacement.

Backups? (3, Interesting)

ipsi (1181557) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709789)

Either this is a really, really serious meltdown which completely killed not only the server but all their backups as well (and what're the chances of that?), or their IT guys have been really, really slack and just didn't make any backups...

Guess they should have used a better smartphone, like *anything* else on the market... Even the cloud-centric Pre will still work if you don't have access to the Cloud - even if Google and/or Palm dies, you'll still have all your information on your phone! Jesus... Doesn't inspire confidence...

Re:Backups? (5, Insightful)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709799)

Or this was really a software error, and the backup servers in an other datacenter, just copied the faulty data/delete command.

They should really be far to big to have all their data stored in a single datacenter with no offsite backup. (Or they should have an entry on thedailywtf.com)

Re:Backups? (1)

ipsi (1181557) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709895)

Yeah, that's a fair point. They don't actually say whether it was hardware or software. Just 'server failure'.

Re:Backups? (1)

asaul (98023) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710199)

An article linked to above suggested the cause was a firmware upgrade failure on a HDS array - sounds like maybe it lost the config or did something nasty during the upgrade. At any rate the core question is where is the backup tape?

Microsoft/Danger (3, Funny)

delta98 (619010) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709817)

'nuff said.

Priceless ... (0)

foobsr (693224) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709825)

Microsoft/Danger has stated that they cannot recover the data but are still trying.


It's The Backups Stooped (4, Insightful)

tres (151637) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709837)

This is an issue of irresponsibility. Plain and Simple. The company responsible for maintaining the data should -- at the very least -- have had some full system backup from last month. If they had some old backup somewhere at least you could chalk it up to systems failure or bad backup tape or bad admin or something.

But the fact that there is no backup anywhere indicates brazen negligence on the part of everyone responsible for the data. Everyone who had a part in designing the system and managing the system is culpable. The most ridiculous part of this is the over-reliance on server-side data storage by the sidekick designers.

Microsoft was testing the US gov edition (5, Funny)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709849)

Right feature, wrong server? MS understands the need for a "Rose Mary Stretch" default setting.
The congress critters have learned a lot from the "terrible mistake" of email backups.
From cute page boys to Iran contra, MS can market this as a feature.

Re:Microsoft was testing the US gov edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709861)


This (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709853)

is one of the reasons I don't like cloud computing.

The other is that you need internet to get to your stuff. I've had very negative experiences with my previous ISP (sometimes two weeks without more than 5 minutes of internet) so now I don't trust anything that requires me to be online.

DIY phone backups (4, Informative)

golfnomad (1442971) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709869)

There are 3rd party apps out there that will let you "backup" your phone data yourself. I personally use a program called bitpim www.bitpim.org (make sure you d/l latest version). It works with many different phone models and I have used it several times to "restore" my phone data (had 2 phones with hardware issues). It restored my calendar, notes, phone book and rings tones (that last one can save you d/l $$$). It is easy enough to install and use, you do not have to be a total geek to make it functional (but having one available to help you set up backups would probably help). Been working in the IT industry too long to rely on someone else backing up my data for me, and I will not encourage Murphy to have a party in my honor!

Re:DIY phone backups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710037)

I will not encourage Murphy to have a party in my honor!

*throws down balloons* But I've been working on it for weeks!

Re:DIY phone backups (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710119)

Really? Mine's grape, and i use itunes.

Seriously, even ActiveSync looks good now.

Re:DIY phone backups (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710193)

The Sidekick saves everything server side. Other than making phonecalls, it's a thinclient.

WTF (4, Insightful)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709883)

This is unbelievably bad. The real problem is : why aren't there incremental off site backups to another server farm? A weekly binary difference snapshot would have made this failure less catastrophic.

Ultimately, with a complex application like this, you can't guarantee 100% that the code doesn't have a bug in it that could result in loss of user data. You can be ALMOST sure it won't, but 100% is not possible with current analysis techniques. (even a mathematical proof of correctness wouldn't protect you from a hacker)

But a properly done set of OFFLINE backups, stored on racks of tapes or hard disks in a separate physical facility : you can be pretty sure that data isn't going anywhere.

Huh? (2, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710213)

"incremental..."weekly binary difference"

Uh, those would do nothing in this case, where it appears the entire DB has been lost. You need a regular full backup, or diffs and incrementals are just cruft. It appears they don't even have that, since there's no talk of restoring to month (or ?) old data.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710441)

Weekly binary differences would allow you to apply those diffs that are good to the base backup, and obtain a snapshot at most 1 week before the DB failure at a fraction of the cost.

Gee, if you blast any solution that requires a IQ > 110 to understand, I hope you're working for my competitor.

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710303)

So how long had the cloud been functioning without critical failures prior to this one?

If you want something done... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709885)

you gotta do it yourself. You're the only one who knows how valuable your data is and you're the one who will be affected by its loss. Backup your own damn data.

Microsoft/Danger (-1, Troll)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709889)

Aptly named.

See it as an opportunity (1)

miataninja (980534) | more than 5 years ago | (#29709919)

Now is the opportunity for opensource to show what it's good for. Someone whip together a small app to extract all info from the Sidekick, put it up on sourceforge for FREE and you have tons of goodwill for OSS. Of course, the app should be Linux-only, thus forcing all Sidekick users to install Ubuntu...

Re:See it as an opportunity (3, Insightful)

AnotherUsername (966110) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710055)

Now is the opportunity for opensource to show what it's good for. Someone whip together a small app to extract all info from the Sidekick, put it up on sourceforge for FREE and you have tons of goodwill for OSS. Of course, the app should be Linux-only, thus forcing all Sidekick users to install Ubuntu...

Thus eliminating any goodwill that would have been gained...

Really, if you think that open source is a viable option for the masses, you shouldn't care which operating system a powerful application like the one you describe is on. If you really care about using open source for goodwill, releasing it simultaneously on all operating systems should be your goal. How is forcing people to use Ubuntu via software applications any different from Microsoft forcing people to use Windows via software applications?

Re:See it as an opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710089)

Here comes the sarcasm train... (you can tell it's coming because of the ellipsis)

Re:See it as an opportunity (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710215)

Or forcing them to the effort of sticking a live boot disk in, and maybe also making their system boot from CD.

Or forcing them to get the source and port it to Windows.

Everybody needs a DRP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29709921)


Some reading (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710083)

Forget all the speculation and semi-random after-the-fact suggestions, I am waiting for the write-up to discover how this monumental cock-up occurred. I hope I don't just learn that 'backups would have been a good idea'.

Your boss (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710231)

He also hopes that you are not going to learn only now, that backups would have been a good idea.

You SHOULD have said, I hope THEY don't just learn, 'backups would have been a good idea.'

Your boss again, this is what your meant right?

Bad brand (2, Funny)

MM-tng (585125) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710095)

It's like being kicked in the side.

T-Mobile Press Release (2, Funny)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710099)

All your data are lost by us.

The clue is in the name of the software (2, Funny)

Barsteward (969998) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710129)


Do they run FreeBSD+Apache? (1)

philcolbourn (1150439) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710143)

Netcraft says www.danger.com uses freeBSD+Apache+PHP http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.danger.com [netcraft.com]

Re:Do they run FreeBSD+Apache? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710369)

A better question is... do they run AMANDA [amanda.org] ?

Based on this story, probably not.

RIP Sidekick (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710145)

With all the competition in the smartphone market today, this is probably an unrecoverable error. If they manage to recover the data then they will come off as heroes for having the courage to tell their customers promptly. Otherwise they just look like they are: incompetent. No great loss, though.

Danger? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710151)

Why trust something that's named "Danger" to begin with?

Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. (2, Insightful)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710175)


So essentially, everybody's Sidekick backup data, which is apparently critical should they ever lose power, was all concentrated on A SINGLE SERVER? I hope they at least say their tape backups caught fire and their replicated server died on the same day too...

Their retentions lines are going to be hot this Columbus Day weekend! The iPhone is getting cheaper...

Re:Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710183)

Forgot to mention that a supporting reason for why T-Mobile will deal with cancellations left and right for a little while is because tons of people hate the Sidekick anyway, and this EPIC FAIL is an EPIC excuse to jump ship right now.

Re:Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. (2, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710259)

"Back him up, boys!"
T-Mobile says, "but I thought you were going to back us up!"
Robbie says, "We didn't get rich buying a lot of servers, you know!"

Re:Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. -- yes (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710305)


If the data is important, then the only way to make sure it doesn't get lost is to take some responsibility for your actions and do back-ups yourself. If your service provider does not let you then don't use the service, it's that simple.

Re:Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. -- yes (3, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710335)

A) The Sidekick apparently doesn't store anything, so customers can't make backups that easily, even if they wanted to, and

B) Danger designed this phone to store everything server-side. It is incomprehensibly foolish to not include a SUPER SOLID backup strategy as well. This problem has been ongoing for several days now; I don't know if the data was fine on the onset of this problem, but the infuriated customers have all the right to demand everything AND the kitchen sink for losing practically everything they had.

Re:Irresponsibility to EPIC proportions. -- yes (0, Flamebait)

cortana (588495) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710377)

This is exactly my point. The irresponsibility of epic proportions is on the side of the users who didn't realise that the design of the system invites them to be fucked over by a data loss incident. They have no one to blame but themselves.

This may have to do with the "Pink" project fiasco (5, Interesting)

HonestButCurious (1306021) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710195)

According to a very long article on AppleInsider:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/09/exclusive_pink_danger_leaks_from_microsofts_windows_phone.html&page=3 [appleinsider.com]

MS was misleading T-Mobile about the state of Sidekick support, and apparently charging hundreds of millions every year for, and I quote "a handful of people in Palo Alto managing some contractors in Romania, Ukraine, etc". This is apparently because most of the Sidekick devs had either moved to Pink or quit out of disgust.

It is an ancient story, endlessly repeated (4, Informative)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710275)

It is development dome.

Two companies enter, MS comes out, slightly fatter.

If you do business with MS, you are riding a tiger with the brains to realize that lunch is only a roll on the ground away.

MS really should be renamed to BubbaSoft. Get into the shower with BubbaSoft and you know what is going to happen.

What do you expect with a name like (2, Funny)

Masterofpsi (1643965) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710237)


GNU/Linux, Apple/Overrated, Slashdot/GoingDownhill (1)

emmagsachs (1024119) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710249)

MS's branding is actually a pleasant twist in advertising. Instead of spitting in our faces and telling us it's raining, MS now has the ballmers to tell it like it is.

Interesting article about Pink/Danger/Sidekick (4, Interesting)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710253)

Interesting article about the Microsoft/Pink/Danger/Sidekick [roughlydrafted.com] relationship and leaks indicating that Microsoft are trying to kill Sidekick without telling the partners. Microsoft would never do such a thing of course ...


May I be the first to say: (1)

lul_wat (1623489) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710281)


Microsoft/Danger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710295)

There's a reason why they call it "Danger"...

Sidekick started out vulnerable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710333)

I never even heard of the sidekick, until a story in the news about one belonging to Paris Hilton being hacked, and all her personal information being spread on the net. Damn I thought, I'm never buying one of those pieces of shit. Everyone else said WOW check out Paris Hiltons fabulous new inexpensive texting device targeted at the 12-14 teen market, Lets all get one of those! My data is insecure? my data is unsafe? my data is stored out side my phone? Who cares, Paris Hiltons got one, she knows everything about informaton technology and mobile telecommunications after all.

btrfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710337)

.. might be a fantastic file system, but it is not ready for production use just yet. Please don't deploy it on your servers.

Yesterday... all those backups seemed a waste... (5, Funny)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710375)

All those backups seemed a waste of pay.
Now my database has gone away.
Oh I believe in yesterday.

There's not half the files there used to be,
And there's a milestone hanging over me
The system crashed so suddenly.

I pushed something wrong
What it was I could not say.
Now all my data's gone and I long for yesterday-ay-ay-ay.

Need for backup seemed so far away.
Seemed my data were all here to stay,
Now I believe in yesterday.


That could Nehehever happen to Meeeeeeee!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29710389)

...as everyone neurotically signs into their servers to verify the status of their backup jobs and MD5 checks... only a few will go the distance to try uncompressing/unencrypting their archive files and browse around inside the restore area randomly checking files to ensure they look good.. what? you're doing backups on a machine without ECC RAM and writing the image files across a USB to a consumer-grade hard-drive or burner without checking the MD5s --and on that type of hardware you're doing compression/encryption without turning around and automatically decrypting/decompressing and byte-verifying the files against the backup source BEFORE calculating the MD5 on the image file? (And you can trust that MD5 calculation because of why?) Oh yeah, see how much you are "saving" by repurposing old non-ECC equipped hardware to run your backups or buying consumer-grade SANs from Fry's which use whoknowswhat? All those backups they ever created may have some serious problems just waiting for you to discover at the worst possible time...

Foggy idea? (2)

Porchroof (726270) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710393)

Cloud computing?

That ain't no cloud. That's the fog obscuring the view of sanity.

IT has been trying this crap ever since the emergence of personal computers.

It's all in the name (1)

dfdashh (1060546) | more than 5 years ago | (#29710463)

Clerk: Danger Powers personal effects [shows box of off-site tapes and such]
MS: Actually my name is Microsoft Powers...
Clerk: It says here - name: Danger Powers
MS: No no no no no... Danger is my middle name
Clerk: Okay, Microsoft Danger Powers...
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