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Open Source Raspberry Pi WebIDE Alpha Released

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the because-why-not dept.

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ptorrone writes "Adafruit, the NYC based open-source hardware company led by Ladyada released their open-source Raspberry Pi WebIDE alpha today. Its goal is to be 'The easiest way to develop code on your Raspberry Pi.' To get up and running head on over to learn.adafruit.com/webide and follow the installation and setup instructions. It uses Bitbucket, and any code changes you make will be synced to your Bitbucket account. Adafruit chose Bitbucket over GitHub because they offer free secure accounts, which is very important for a Web-based IDE."

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Link is broke (1)

Robadob (1800074) | more than 2 years ago | (#41563181)

learn.adafruit.com/webide link is broke and goes to earn.adafruit.com/webide

Re:Link is broke (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563205)

Fuck. How am I going to get there without a working link? If only there were some way I could manually input the URL to the browser, if someone let me know what it was.

Re:Link is broke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563281)

...How am I going to get there without a working link? If only there were some way I could manually input the URL to the browser, if someone let me know what it was.

It's really quite simple: Paste the URL into a Google search bar. This will also sanitize the link by alerting you if the URL points to a known security risk.

Oh, you thought folks typing URLs into search bars were just stupid? Nope, turns out you've always been a fool.

Re:Link is broke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563397)

WHOOOOOSHHH

That's the joke blowing right past you.

Re:Link is broke (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 2 years ago | (#41564179)

WHOOOOOSHHH That's the joke blowing right past you.

There was no joke, just some sarcastic diatribe. The sound you meant to say was "WHOOOOOSHHH THUMP", because that was the sound of your alleged "joke" calling flat.

Re:Link is broke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41564331)

your alleged "joke" calling flat.

WHOOOOOSHHH THUMP BOOOM!

It's your spelling crashing and exploding.

Re:Link is broke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41564521)

Oh, you thought folks typing URLs into search bars were just stupid?

Of course it's not stupid! They can click on the first link that comes up, which is usually an ad for your competitor.

Re:Link is broke (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | more than 2 years ago | (#41563873)

You're right, shame on the GP to comment on a broken link in a Slashdot summary. Such mistakes should be routinely ignored so that none may share in the hidden bounty to be found at the other end of the link. In fact, let's just do away with the <a...> tag throughout the WWW. I mean, it's not like it was ever intended to serve up some kind of "hypertext" where you could just click a conveniently highlighted piece of text and expect to be transferred to another page for more information. That's be nuts [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Link is broke (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#41565689)

Use your mouse to highlight correct web address, press right mouse button and select "google it". Thats what my mum does.

Re:Link is broke (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#41563369)

I guess you have to earn the right to learn...

i sent away for one about 5 months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563223)

still waiting
they send me an email from time to time telling me that they are working as fast as they can

Re:i sent away for one about 5 months ago (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563379)

You bought from the wrong retailer. RS is horrible. I'd recommend cancelling you order and going to Newark Electronics. I ordered 34 of them a couple weeks ago and they shipped in two days.

Re:i sent away for one about 5 months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41566463)

It's not that RS is horrible, it's that Broadcom can't manufacture the main chip fast enough to fill RS's orders in a timely fashion. RS received more pre-orders than the other distributor and because of Broadcom it now has longer waiting lists.

Free Merchandise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563229)

Another Raspberry pointles merchandise from /. this week. This should be a new record!

This was stupid the first time... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41563335)

.. and it's still stupid.

Requiring a more expensive host in order to develop for a cheap device that's intended to be self-hosted is in no possible way The easiest way to develop code on your Raspberry Pi."

The BBC Micro didn't require a mainframe to make hello-world, and neither does the RP. The notion is ridiculous and there is absolutely no practical use for this.

Re:This was stupid the first time... (1)

dark12222000 (1076451) | more than 2 years ago | (#41563905)

If you're on slashdot, you have a "more expensive host". Hell, if you have a smart phone, you have "a more expensive host". It's a freaking 30$ computer. Get over it. Yes, you can develop on it directly if you want. For the rest of us, there's this beautiful web based IDE.

Re:This was stupid the first time... (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 2 years ago | (#41565681)

Really? Posting from my RPi.

Re:This was stupid the first time... (4, Interesting)

coop0030 (263345) | more than 2 years ago | (#41564117)

This kind of response was certainly expected, thank you for the feedback though!

We built this because we thought that we could help people start quickly to get up and running with programs to blink LED's with their Raspberry Pi, or read temperatures with sensors attached to the GPIO pins (oh, and learn a little python, ruby or what have you, in the process!). We want it to be the easiest editing environment to use and setup on the Raspberry PI (low barrier to entry). We haven't built the guided experience yet, but you can kind of see which area of programming we're focusing on by looking at the following github repository:
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code [github.com]

Also, you have to start somewhere with someone just starting out in this quite complex, and layered environment. What better way than to have an editor that is pre-loaded with some basic scripts that will blink an LED, or read temperature and humidity off a sensor breakout, on their Raspberry Pi with little effort in an environment they're already comfortable with (a browser)?

Sure, they could start by first learning basic unix command line, then their editor of choice, and git, and python, and then interfacing with the RPi's GPIO pins, and on and on. We're just trying to remove some of these barriers.

An expert developer with loads of experience may not need this editor (but it is pretty convenient to just plug the pi into an ethernet port, and start hacking away in your browser...). But for someone that isn't sure how to navigate directories in a command line environment...well, this might help them out a bit (we even include a pretty powerful terminal emulator that may help them learn this!).

We're hoping to keep adding more advanced features as we go. We're releasing quite early in order to gather feedback to make it better suited for more people earlier in the process.

Re:This was stupid the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41566545)

You still don't get it.

All of these things you describe about removing barriers and making things easier could just as well be accomplished using a native IDE. It's not like it has to be a big nasty IDE - just something simple and workable.

If you can configure an SD card build to start a web server for hosting this, you can configure an SD card to provide a basic desktop and IDE.

It's the difference between connecting a network cable and connecting a keyboard and mouse - except in the proper case, you don't need a whole extra computer.

Really, I admire trying to make things easier, but I really don't see why it can't be done in a native environment... you could just as easily remove the need to learn to use a shell and anything about Linux internals. Since it sounds like people are actually writing code and putting effort into making something, what's the difference between writing a native IDE which automates just as many tasks as a web-based IDE can? Either way would remove barriers, but a web-based solution would introduce a barrier.

Really - good intentions, totally wrong approach.

Re:This was stupid the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41566999)

It gets even more ridiculous if we take into account that the Pi is DEFECTIVE!. USB doesn't work properly, the SD card driver hogs the cpu, the board was revised because of some big flaws. The worst is, USB will very probably never work alright due to defects in the USB IP in the processor and a terrible kernel driver for it. Try to do anything even remotely meaningful with the Pi and you'll hit a brick wall.

See:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=11529
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5249
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7866
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097
http://www.element14.com/community/thread/19573?tstart=30

And there's more: several people have been banned for stating the Pi is defective in several forum threads. Apparently this foundation enjoys behaving like a big bully. First the fanboys come and bully the person who complains (it can't be... that's not really a problem... what do you expect for a few bucks), then the moderators come and look for excuses to ban him/her.

I've sold my Pi on eBay for more than it cost me (yeah, for real), and you should too.

IDE's are for losers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41564021)

You should be just using ECHO commands to code. Losers!

Enough of this PI bollocks (2)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#41564149)

Heard about it.
Sounded interesting.
Signed up for news.
Waited - it was like a year late.
Tried to order.
Sold out within seconds.
Signed up for the next batch.
Heard nothing.
Apparently you still can't just surf up, order and get one a few days later.

And yet, you can hardly move without Slashdot or Hackaday posting this or that insignificant story about them. I don't get it. If you want to learn to code, buy a computer. Get a second hand laptop or something. With this little crappy circuit board you have to then buy a bunch of stuff (monitor, power, keyboard, mouse, sd card, ethernet etc etc) as well. Go for the laptop!

Re:Enough of this PI bollocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41564245)

You can buy one and receive it in days anytime. You just need to order from the right distributor. I think RS Electronics is scamming people because they're taking people's money and not delivering for months (if at all) while others have them in stock and ready to go.

Your argument is the Pi requires the normal stuff that any non-mobile computer would need? That's not really a deal breaker in normal people's minds.

Re:Enough of this PI bollocks (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41564891)

You can get it in under a couple weeks through element14. They will happily lie to you about stock, though.

If you don't want to run Debian or Raspbmc (which jumps right into XBMC) then don't bother. If you do, it's still a good value as long as 256MB is enough

Never mind the bollocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41566555)

I ordered a Rev2 Pi from Element 14 last Saturday, it arrived on Tuesday.

I think you're doing things the wrong way.... :-)

Re:Enough of this PI bollocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41566995)

And you should be GLAD. (blinking leds? ffs..)

The problem with the Pi is that it's DEFECTIVE!. USB doesn't work properly, the SD card driver hogs the cpu, the board was revised because of some big flaws. The worst is, USB will very probably never work alright due to defects in the USB IP in the processor and a terrible kernel driver for it. Try to do anything even remotely meaningful with the Pi and you'll hit a brick wall.

See:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=11529
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5249
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7866
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097
http://www.element14.com/community/thread/19573?tstart=30

And there's more: several people have been banned for stating the Pi is defective in several forum threads. Apparently this foundation enjoys behaving like a big bully. First the fanboys come and bully the person who complains (it can't be... that's not really a problem... what do you expect for a few bucks), then the moderators come and look for excuses to ban him/her.

I've sold my Pi on eBay for more than it cost me (yeah, for real), and you should too.

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