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IBM Dipping Chips In 'Ionic Liquid' To Save Power

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the ionic-liquid-is-people dept.

IBM 68

Nerval's Lobster writes "IBM announced this week that it has developed a way to manufacture both logic and memory that relies on a small drop of 'ionic liquid' to flip oxides back and forth between an insulating and conductive state without the need to constantly draw power. In theory, that means both memory and logic built using those techniques could dramatically save power. IBM described the advance in the journal Science, and also published a summary of its results to its Website. The central idea is to eliminate as much power as possible as it moves through a semiconductor. IBM's solution is to use a bit of 'ionic liquid' to flip the state. IBM researchers applied a positively charged ionic liquid electrolyte to an insulating oxide material — vanadium dioxide — and successfully converted the material to a metallic state. The material held its metallic state until a negatively charged ionic liquid electrolyte was applied in order to convert it back to its original, insulating state. A loose analogy would be to compare IBM's technology to the sort of electronic ink used in the black-and-white versions of the Kindle and other e-readers. There, an electrical charge can be applied to the tiny microcapsules that contain the 'ink,' hiding or displaying them to render a page of text. Like IBM's solution, the e-ink doesn't require a constant charge; power only needs to be applied to re-render or 'flip' the page. In any event, IBM's technique could conceivably be applied to both mobile devices as well as power-hungry data centers."

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The Cost of the Liquid? (5, Funny)

ExploHD (888637) | about a year and a half ago | (#43255681)

For an ionic liquid there should be no charge.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255803)

"We'll be happy to give you the ionic liquid for free. The license for the patent? You go grab your check book and I'll start writing '0's."

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about a year and a half ago | (#43255829)

's pun.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256629)

"We'll be happy to give you the ionic liquid for free. The license for the patent? You go grab your check book and I'll start writing '0's."

Oh, great, I'll get it for $000.000.000.000.000? :-)

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (2)

vuo (156163) | about a year and a half ago | (#43260295)

Joking aside, ILs are expensive, because they're yet nothing but custom-manufactured small-batch chemicals for research. We're talking about 500-1200 €/kg for low grade (2-5% impurities). For high purity, you need very deep pockets, since producing pure ILs is not routine and may need expensive custom synthesis and research. If production is scaled up, though, then we're in the normal custom manufacturing range, order of magnitude being 10-100 €/kg. In this case, though, I think the price of the IL is not going to be a problem, simply because the amount needed is so small.

Personally, I think that what kills this eventually is the inability to control the degradation of the IL or the memory itself, and accumulation of harmful degradation products. Since this is a chip that you'll package and seal in, you wouldn't want to do an "oil change" now and then.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (2)

vuo (156163) | about a year and a half ago | (#43260337)

And just to clarify, their IL was 1-hexyl-3-methylimidazolium bis(trifluoromethylsulfonyl)imide, or better known as [hmim][NTf2], fairly nonexotic as far as ILs go. Although I didn't find the price for this, the butyl version (whose synthesis is very similar) goes for 1150 €/kg at SigmaAldrich.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (1)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | about a year and a half ago | (#43271789)

Well, most ionic liquids are expensive. Not all, though -- you can make one with a eutectic mix of choline chloride and urea that's liquid at room temperature, and the components are available for pennies per kilogram. (Choline chloride is chicken feed, and urea is a bulk fertilizer.)

I'm sure a semiconductor manufacturer wouldn't be using anything so mundane. Then again, they'd probably be using micrograms at most per chip.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43261653)

I want to dip my dongle in yonic liquid.

Re:The Cost of the Liquid? (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about a year and a half ago | (#43262365)

For an ionic liquid there should be no charge.

A liquid that flip flops back and forth? Squeeze it out of the politicians and reduce the price a thousand-fold.

Garbled to hell (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255683)

That's a pretty garbled summary.

Re:Garbled to hell (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256127)

That's a pretty garbled summary.

Oh, absolutely, that it's actually marginally intelligible is rather worrisome.

I suspect that one of our Slashdot editors has been secretly replaced with Folger's Crystals.

Re:Garbled to hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43257371)

The article had a positive spin.

Re:Garbled to hell (1)

stevesliva (648202) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257865)

Yeah, it's basically another nonvolatile memory press release. Sounds close to phase-change memory.

The background would be that flash might not be scaling well, or might eventually stop scaling, so there are a lot of other types of nifty nonvolatile memory types that would aim to replace it. Magnetoresistive, ferroelectric, phase change, memristors, nanotubes, whatever. That's not to say that those sorts of things can't perhaps escape their niche and make create a whole new class of computing machines based on non-transistor switches, but yeah. First things first.

Re:Garbled to hell (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | about a year and a half ago | (#43261099)

It's actually easier to read if you read 'ionic liquid' in an Arnold voice like 'mimetic poly- alloy'.

Which is not in fact the title of a song by Austrian Death Machine [youtube.com] but arguably should be.

A good HOST file reduces power usage by ~37% (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255685)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

apk on 4chan [4chan.org]

INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]

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Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]

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Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]

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Professional. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

Re:A good HOST file reduces power usage by ~37% (2)

cpicon92 (1157705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256029)

I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything.

Re:A good HOST file reduces power usage by ~37% (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256133)

I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment, ever.

Re:A good HOST file reduces power usage by ~37% (1)

ButchDeLoria (2772751) | about a year and a half ago | (#43260747)

You're my personal hero.

But... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255695)

... does it have electrolytes?

Re:But... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255797)

Yes, It's got what plants crave...

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255929)

If you've got VD, put ionic-liquid on it. That's what.

Re:But... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255837)

... does it have electrolytes?

If it did they'd call it Gateorade.

Re:But... (1)

innerweb (721995) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256485)

Bad timing while drinking soda. Friggin hilarious.

Re:But... (1)

artfulshrapnel (1893096) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256717)

It's what (chip) plants crave!

Hardcoded software? (1)

scarlac (768893) | about a year and a half ago | (#43255801)

As a non-hardware engineer, I am not sure I understood the article, but would this make it possible to literally hard-code software to improve performance? I.e. a logic board having some standard components and a "changable" chip that could improve performance of much-used software?

Re:Hardcoded software? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255913)

You mean, something like an FPGA?

Re:Hardcoded software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255949)

Firmware. BIOS. PROM's.
Performance is usually not awsome, but there are exceptions.

As for this technology, I envision it like a hungry copper with toner refill & wast bottles- only with a pair labeled "+" and "-".

Good news... (2)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year and a half ago | (#43255857)

but there have been so many "IBM new revolutionary technologies" during the (recent) past years nobody has even been able to see in actual life, let's hope this one makes it up to the shops in a reasonably near future...

Re:Good news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43255943)

While that's certainly true for most "tech breakthroughs" you're probably writing that comment on an "IBM PC or compatible". ;)

Re:Good news... (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256317)

the IBM PC being made during the recent past years...

Re:Good news... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256691)

While that's certainly true for most "tech breakthroughs" you're probably writing that comment on an "IBM PC or compatible". ;)

The IBM PC was no tech breakthrough, it was made basically of standard parts. Which is a large part of why it got so successful (the other part is that IBM created it).

Re:Good news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43257761)

Making tech breakthroughs is no big deal when compared to getting patent clearance. Heck, many 'tech breakthroughs' are stuff that someone either conceived of or has already done a while back. The modern computer age is way behind its time, patents really delayed the use of much of the technology by a lot.

Re:Good news... (1)

mrmeval (662166) | about a year and a half ago | (#43258051)

The IBM article is slim on about everything. It seems to imply you have to put a liquid on the gate to turn it on and another to turn it off.

I'd need a lot more info from them to even try and understand WTF they have.

Re:Good news... (1)

lsatenstein (949458) | about a year and a half ago | (#43265973)

but there have been so many "IBM new revolutionary technologies" during the (recent) past years nobody has even been able to see in actual life, let's hope this one makes it up to the shops in a reasonably near future...

===
What was not mentioned was the switching speed. If the speed is in microseconds, then the technology could be used in SSD type devices. If it is in nanoseconds, then of course, it can be used for live memory.

Re:Good news... (1)

stoatwblr (2650359) | about a year and a half ago | (#43271327)

Like "pixie dust"? A lot of this stuff does end up in available technology, but you don't hear about it because companies licensing it don't want to admit it's an IBM invention.

3 questions (5, Interesting)

Alain Williams (2972) | about a year and a half ago | (#43255909)

The really important things that were not mentioned are:

  • * How fast is it -- to store/retrieve a bit
  • * What is its life -- how many times can I do it before it breaks
  • * How much heat does it generate ?

Re:3 questions (2)

rriegs (1540879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256221)

While neither of the articles talk about the speed of the process, comparing it to e-ink makes it sound like it may take around 1 second before the conductor/insulator becomes reliable. If so, this may be hundreds of times slower than even an HDD and many millions of times slower than conventional RAM. That being said, after the conductor/insulator is formed, I imagine that read speeds would be similar to conventional RAM, as "reading" is still basically the same: testing whether current passes through a given bit of circuitry. This assumes, however, that the formed conductor/insulator is as reliable as a conventional transistor; if not, it may take a few cycles of "does current pass through?" before a definitive 1 or 0 is read.

Even if this is the case, there would still be huge application for this kind of technology in certain areas, such as massive, infrequently changing data centers. Of course not all of the memory/storage on the device would be replaced with this kind of non-volatile memory. Just as we currently have L1, L2, and L3 caches, main memory, and HDDs (and beyond that tapes!), I expect we'll see this find its niche.

Re:3 questions (1)

smaddox (928261) | about a year ago | (#43259679)

Just came here to make sure someone made this point. This process is useless for high-speed electronics because it requires very low-speed drift of ions through an oxide. Why IBM made a press release about this is completely beyond me.

Re:3 questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43256577)

And somehow I read ”and what is life"... 42?

Re:3 questions (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256845)

I tried to find the Science article, but couldn't. An explicit reference seems to be given nowhere, not even on the IBM page.

Re:3 questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43258635)

They're not intending to use this for storing bits. The idea, as far as I can tell, is to turn off unused portions of the chip to reduce power consumption. In this case "switching speed" and heat generation are totally irrelevant because this is the sort of operation that would take place on long time scales and it would dramatically reduce the heat generated by the chip. Also, since it doesn't happen often, the number of cycles before failure is also less important.

Re:3 questions (1)

smaddox (928261) | about a year ago | (#43259703)

They'd be better off adding some mask steps for power transistors, an already proven technology. This will never make it to a commercial chip.

Re:3 questions (1)

lexman098 (1983842) | about a year and a half ago | (#43277631)

Also, how big is it? From the picture in the article it looks like 20um technology which wouldn't be viable for ICs unless they find a way to shrink it substantially.

IBM Dipping Chips In 'Ionic Liquid' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43256079)

I personally prefer a salsa based dip.

Now we have to rethink ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43256103)

... we have to rethink the term "solid state."

Re:Now we have to rethink ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43256143)

We already did. It used to mean controlling electrical currents in, well, a solid, as opposed to a vacuum or a gas. Now it supposedly means "no moving parts", which now means that vacuum tubes are solid state.

USS Voyager (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43256191)

Did somebody say gel packs ? .

Re:USS Voyager (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43257127)

Did somebody say T-1000 [wikipedia.org] ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... (1)

Pluvius (734915) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256555)

...wouldn't this lead to exploits that are currently considered impossible due to the volatile nature of RAM? I'm thinking of something along the lines of those guys who jailbroke a mobile phone by putting it in a freezer. Not that this would be an insurmountable problem, but it is something to think about.

Rob

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong, but... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256729)

What exploits would this enable which hibernating doesn't?

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong, but... (1)

Pluvius (734915) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256893)

As I said, some guys rooted an Android phone by sticking it in a freezer [slashdot.org] . Non-volatile RAM would make this kind of thing easier, wouldn't it?

Rob

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong, but... (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257141)

Putting a phone in the freezer... hibernating... woosh!

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong, but... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257241)

If the developers of such technology know that the memory will stay unchanged on power-off, they are likely to take that into account. While when they rely on the memory being gone on power-off, any violation of that assumption may be turned into an exploit.

It wasn't rooting, it was breaking encryption (1)

caveat (26803) | about a year and a half ago | (#43263473)

The researchers freezing the phone weren't doing it for anything as trivial as a root exploit; they were doing it to break the filesystem encryption. Freezing the phone (with it switched on) slows down the RAM decay enough so that quickly (~0.5sec) popping out the battery will reboot the system without the RAM erasing. From there, they start the phone up into "fastboot" mode, which is a pre-OS state that allows the device to be attached to a computer and have a custom OS loaded. That OS sniffs the RAM for the keys that had to be stored while the phone was on and decrypted, bippity boppity bacon you have access to the AES-scrambled filesystem. It's a nontrivial exploit and also nothing new, low-temperature data remanence is a known weakness of cryptosystems in general.

http://www1.cs.fau.de/frost [cs.fau.de]

Biology? (1)

citizenr (871508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43256677)

This reminds me of our meatbag bodies and homeostasis. Instead of waiting for electrons to come flowing down the wire transistors can draw electrons from surrounding 'Ionic Liquid'?

After it crashes... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257049)

...they'll rebuild it using bionic liquid to make it better than before. Better, stronger, faster.

Re:After it crashes... (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257153)

And then a virus will take over it and we'll have our first T-1000 [wikipedia.org] .

Re:After it crashes... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257539)

And then a virus will take over it and we'll have our first T-1000 [wikipedia.org] .

You realize my post was more of a Six Million Dollar Man joke than Terminator joke, or are you a youngster?

Re:After it crashes... (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#43259777)

I realize that, but I thought I could squeeze a Terminator joke in there as well. You know, kind of a "Steve Austin turned evil by technology" theme.

For my health (1)

surfdaddy (930829) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257059)

I have a shot of ionic liquid every day.

Long known overclocker secret revealed (1)

Rob_Bryerton (606093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257417)

Always go for the double-dipped ones...

I dip my chips in ironic liquid (1)

dsmithhfx (1772254) | about a year and a half ago | (#43257699)

For the bitter aftertaste.

Brain Storm! (1)

hey! (33014) | about a year and a half ago | (#43258919)

I'm going to run out and dip my chips in Corinthian and Doric liquids to see what happens.

Another phase change device (2)

Required Snark (1702878) | about a year ago | (#43259477)

This is a phase change device http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-change_memory [wikipedia.org]

The track record of this type of technology has not been good. Ovonic device have never seen any significant deployment. They change state via an electric pulse that heats a cell and causes it to change between a crystalline and amorphous form. The cell holds the state without power consumption, and reading the value requires very little power.

The HP memristor is similar. The energy pulse moves oxygen ions in titanium dioxide which changes the conduction properties of the TiO2, which is a semiconductor. This has not hit the market so far either.

The IBM ionic liquid is even farther away from deployment. All they've shown is a phase change. They haven't even figured out how to do logic or non-volatile memory. It's interesting research, but nothing more so far.

Re:Another phase change device (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43261351)

Last I'd heard [tomshardware.com] , the HP memristor hadn't entered production yet because it was intentionally pushed back, due to fears by Hynix that it would eat all of their other product lines.

New Use For Brawndo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43259793)

..i'ts got electrolytes.

chips on dip (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43263433)

hmm dipping chips must have given them good tast!!!

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