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Man Campaigns For Addition of 'Th' Key To Keyboard

Soulskill posted 1 year,27 days | from the not-Th-first-to-try-messing-with-Th-keyboard dept.

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beaverdownunder writes "Melbourne restauranteur Paul Mathis has developed a one-character replacement for the word 'The' – effectively an upper-case 'T' and a lower-case 'h' bunched together so they share the upright stem – and an app that puts it in everyone's hand by allowing users to download an entirely new keyboard complete not just with his 'Th' symbol, but also a row of keys containing the 10 or 15 (depending on the version) most frequently typed words in English. Mathis has already copped criticism from people who claim he is attempting to trademark a symbol that is part of the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet (pronounced 'tshe,' the letter represents the 'ch' sound found in the word 'chew')."

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Petition for "Sh" key soon to follow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194353)

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Re:Petition for "Sh" key soon to follow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194539)

With the "it" soon to follow too. Only two keystrokes necessary to express your feelings.

No (5, Funny)

mmcxii (1707574) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194355)

What teh hell is his problem? We don't need anotehr key on out keyboards.

Reform the spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194627)

http://www.i18nguy.com/twain.html

Re:No (5, Informative)

elfprince13 (1521333) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194811)

Not only at [slashdot.org] , but we already have two letters to solve ðis [wikipedia.org] problem (although it would help if /. didn't delete the first one).

Re:No (3, Informative)

Hans Adler (2446464) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194969)

You abused it anyway. Thorn is not for the sound in 'that' (which is the same as the sound in 'this'), but for the one in 'with'. Just think about whether someone with a heavy accent would replace th by d or by f. ('dis' and 'dat' require an ed, 'wif' requires a forn).

A poem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194361)

It's like a nigga, who's in the hole,
It's like a nigga, he's on the dole!

It's like a nigga, he's fantastic,
It's like a nigga, he's niggatastic!

This is retarded. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194365)

Thats all i've got to say about this.

Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

cribera (2560179) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194373)

Seriously, I still fail to understand why the Qwerty keyboard still is the norm, even in virtual keyboard in mobile devices. What's the problem with pushing a better keyboard like Dvorak? wouldn't that be a better improvement over just adding 'th' or other minor fixes?

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194437)

For most people, it's not the layout of the keyboard that's slowing them down, but rather the lack of effort in trying to learn proper typing techniques. You could probably put the keyboard in the worst possible configuration ever, with all Q,Z, V, and X all in the home row, and people could still learn to type sufficiently fast on it.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194933)

I've been spelling "with the" as "withe" when writing by hand for some reason.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (3, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194453)

I'd say that it is because most people could not care less and QWERTY is status quo. QWERTY will have to cause cancer before anyone cares enough to change it. That or someone with a burning desire to push Dvorak gets their hands on a lot of power.

On the bright side, no one is going to start using this change either. As other posters have pointed out, we used to have the Thorn character, and there's a reason we don't anymore.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (5, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194489)

QWERTY will have to cause cancer before anyone cares enough to change it

Yeah, but cancer is a vague threat at some point in the future. I need to get work done NOW, so I'm sticking with it.

IOW even the threat of cancer won't get people to change :)

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194659)

Tell them QUERTY keyboards emit dangerous radiation. Then they'll switch to Dvorak in a heartbeat. :-)

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (5, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194463)

Because there isn't definitive proof dvorak is faster even for physical keyboards (studies differ on if there's any gain), much less for 1-2 finger tap keyboards like on a phone. Because the world is used to qwerty and the costs of retraining in dvorak dwarf the lifetime gain of dvorak, if there actually is any. Because the fastest method of input on phones so far is to actually not type at all, but use a Swype-like mechanism and/or heavy prediction, which actually work worse with a dvorak keyboard.

I don't really think this is a huge gain either, but the Dvorak as second coming thing annoys the hell out of me.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194563)

Forget about faster. It's easier and more comfortable.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

Merk42 (1906718) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194711)

To GP's point, is there any definite proof dvorak is 'easier and more comfortable'?

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (4, Informative)

Goaway (82658) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194917)

The comfort comes from that comfortable feeling that you are special and better than everyone else because you use a special keyboard.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (0, Offtopic)

Mashiki (184564) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194581)

It's a mileage may vary type of thing, much like many other things in life. For me, I was at 110-150wpm error free back a few years ago. I switched over to dvorak, and was easily hitting 200wpm error free. Now a days(after I broke my back), due to poor muscle control and poor sense of touch, it doesn't matter too much. But I do find dvorak easier to type on and less of a strain especially when I'm having muscle weakness.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194877)

200wpm? Bullshit,.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (3, Funny)

datavirtue (1104259) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194961)

I got a job offer last week and as part of my salary negotiations I demanded Dvorak keyboards. I still haven't heard back.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (2)

rsierpe (2678773) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194465)

ok, just to start from the very beginning: What is oh so better in dvorak? my qwerty serves me just fine.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194937)

Qwerty was designed to be optimal for mechanical typewriters. The claim that it was designed to slow typing down to prevent jams is only half-true - it's actually designed so that the most commonly used letter combinations were kept apart but still typed with one hand, to minimise the possibility of two keys at once being pressed and jamming the mechanism. The non-grid, staggered rows feature is another mechanical relic, to allow the link bars from the lower rows to pass between the bars for those above.

While alternative layouts designed to ignore mechanical limitations may allow for faster typing in theory, the gain isn't really great, and applies only to skilled typists. The view of most is that even if qwerty isn't ideal, it's close-enough that the costs of switching to a new layout are not justified for such marginal gains.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (5, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194477)

It's probably easy to learn, but if you want to maximize input speed, this guy sort of has the right idea, that consolidating common inputs into single units is the way to go to speed up entry. However stenographers have already come up with much more complete stenotype [wikipedia.org] systems, used mainly by court reporters. The downside is that it's a bit esoteric to learn, moreso than Dvorak.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194541)

And the stenotype isn't trademarked, patented or copyrighted, so I'm REALLY at a loss as to why this bozo should get protection for "A keyboard with some keys that include a phoneme".

An app that turned the keyboard into stenotype, if it doesn't exist yet, would be brilliant for the market that needs tast dictation and is being blinged up to show the executive's e-peen. But it wouldn't get a patent on the application of stenotype to keypad entry, just copyright on the application code.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194515)

Because it is familiar and ubiquitous and for most people the time needed to relearn a keyboard simply isn't worth the investment.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194599)

Seriously, I still fail to understand why the Qwerty keyboard still is the norm, even in virtual keyboard in mobile devices.

What's the problem with pushing a better keyboard like Dvorak? wouldn't that be a better improvement over just adding 'th' or other minor fixes?

Because the original studies were biased at best, and follow up studies found there are no cost benefits to retraining with Dvorak [reason.com] :

In the first phase of the experiment, 10 government typists were retrained on the Dvorak keyboard. It took well over 25 days of four-hour-a-day training for these typists to catch up to their old QWERTY speeds. (Compare this to the Navy study's results.) When the typists had finally caught up to their old speeds, the second phase of the experiment began. The newly trained Dvorak typists continued training and a group of 10 QWERTY typists (matched in skill to the Dvorak typists) began a parallel program to improve their skills. In this second phase the Dvorak typists progressed less quickly with further Dvorak training than did QWERTY typists training on QWERTY keyboards. Thus Strong concluded that Dvorak training would never be able to amortize its costs. He recommended instead that the government provide further training in the QWERTY keyboard for QWERTY typists.

The GSA study attempted to control carefully for the abilities and treatments of the two groups. The study design directly paralleled the decision that a real firm or a real government agency might face: Is it worthwhile to retrain its present typists? If Strong's study is correct, it is not efficient for current typists to switch to Dvorak. The study also implied that the eventual typing speed would be greater with QWERTY than with Dvorak, although this conclusion was not emphasized.

Much of the other evidence that has been used to support Dvorak's superiority actually can be used to make a case against Dvorak. We have the 1953 Australian Post Office study already mentioned, which needed to remove psychological impediments to superior performance. A 1973 study based on six typists at Western Electric found that after 104 hours of training on Dvorak, typists were 2.6 percent faster than they had been on QWERTY. Similarly, a 1978 study at Oregon State University indicated that after 100 hours of training, typists were up to 97.6 percent of their old QWERTY speed. Both of these retraining times are similar to those reported by Strong but not to those in the Navy study. But unlike Strong's study neither of these studies included parallel retraining on QWERTY keyboards. As Strong points out, even experienced QWERTY typists increase their speed on QWERTY if they are given additional training.

Ergonomic studies also confirm that the advantages of Dvorak are either small or nonexistent. For example, A. Miller and J Thomas, two researchers at the IBM Research Laboratory, writing in the International Journal of Man-Machine Studies, conclude that "no alternative has shown a realistically significant advantage over the QWERTY for general purpose typing." Other studies based on analysis of hand-and-finger motions find differences of only a few percentage points between Dvorak and QWERTY. The consistent finding in ergonomic studies is that the results imply no clear advantage for Dvorak, and certainly no advantage of the magnitude that is so often claimed.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194603)

Perhaps we really need to completely rethink the Keyboard process, as a means of input.
Qwerty is the norm, is because that is what they typewriters have been Query, there have been countless classes teaching people how to type on A Qwerty Keyboard. So when computers came out they stuck with it. Dvorak, while may offer some speed advantage not as much as people think. Perhaps in the world of touch screens we need to rethink user input and drop the Keyboard and replace it with something new. I do like the concept that Dasher [cam.ac.uk] has, as well other more abdaptive tequniques.

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194767)

You can stick Dvorak right up your ass....

Dvorak is though to be better than qwerty, but like ASCII, the stupid americans can't see beyond their borders (again (unless there's oil and you should attack it)).... is Dvorak better in any other written language than English ... probably not!

Re:Why not promote a Dvorak keyboard instead? (1)

lxs (131946) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194851)

For the same reason the RPN calculators aren't widespread. Once your muscle memory knows one system it's extremely frustrating to have to switch to a different system.

But does it have a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194377)

"frist post!" button? Think of it! Never be put to shame by having, say, the SECOND post.

Thorn (4, Informative)

Dynamoo (527749) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194383)

Thorn already exists [wikipedia.org] as an obsolete form of "th". I don't think it will work it I try to enter it here, but here goes..

Re:Thorn (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194415)

Thanks. I was about to point that out.

Re:Thorn (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194455)

Also eth, for voiced "th". (I.e., "this'll" vs. "thistle".)

Or he could just use y, which is what Ye Oldfashioned Sign was all about. (Though I suspect it was used in typography rather than signs, because it would be easy enough to paint an eth or thorn even if a typesetter didn't have them.)

Re:Thorn (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194841)

The "Y" in "Ye Oldfashioned Sign" is a misreading; "Y" has never represented "Th".

Re:Thorn (2)

BattleApple (956701) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194941)

What makes you yink yat?

Re:Thorn (1)

SirDrinksAlot (226001) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194547)

Maybe he thinks Ye Olde Pub is an Asian restaurant. Noodles and seafood!

Re:Thorn (2)

bitbucketeer (892710) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194575)

Use the "Y" key for the thorn. Didn't you RTFW?

Re:Thorn (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194597)

I think a better goal would be to start adding to the language, to replace phonetic combinations such as Sh, Th (which existed before), and to start using more phonetically consistent letters, like "K" for the hard C sound, and C for the soft (no nore CK required). This also frees up S to be used as the SH phonem. English spelling really is ridiculous, and could use a good refactoring.

Re:Thorn (1)

MightyYar (622222) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194683)

Even if there weren't already a "th" character, most texters of yore used "t" to mean "the" and it was very readable.

T quick brown fox jumps over t lazy dog.

Re:Thorn (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194753)

Thornography is certainly not obsolete!

Already Exists (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194387)

There already is a letter for this, it's called thorn and looks like a y. You might know it from signs that say "Ye Olde..." And such.

Re:Already Exists (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194421)

The "y" was used to represent the Thorn character, which wasn't in standard typesets.

Bah. Doesn't go far enough. (4, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194389)

I insist on the return of thorn [wikipedia.org] and eth [wikipedia.org] to the language! If only slashdot's character support wasn't utterly broken, I could type them here...

Re:Bah. Doesn't go far enough. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194773)

While we're at it, can we reduce the number of spurious letters and strange pronunciations in the English alphabet? Perhaps combine them with the common digraphs. Here's a suggestion:

Make "k" take over for all hard-c sounds. Make "s" take over for all soft-c sounds. Use "c" in place of the "ch" digraph.
Make "j" take over for all soft-g sounds. Use "g" as a hard-g only.
Use "x" in place of the "sh" digraph, and shift all "x" sounds to the phonetic equivalent. ("z" for xylophone, "ks" for extra, etc.)
Make "k" take over for all q sounds, and by extension, "kw" in place of qu. Use "q" in place of the "th" digraph. (This is mostly because "q" is currently a phonically-redundant letter and could be re-used without a lot of technical fuss.)

Now that the consonants are sorted, how about some vowels?

"a" is like "at", "aa" is like "hay"
"e" is like "heavy", "ee" is like "eat"
"i" is like "if", "ii" is like "like"
"o" is like "hot", "oo" is like "boat"
"u" is like "up", "uu" is like "use"
All other vowels would be mixed combinations for other sounds, like "oi" like the sound in "toy".

This would make spelling a non-issue for most people, since it wouldn't require memorization of a ridiculous number of special cases and strange exceptions.

Re:Bah. Doesn't go far enough. (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194921)

Why not just use a theta?

Re:Bah. Doesn't go far enough. (2)

danlip (737336) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194989)

As far as I can tell from the preview, eth ( Ð ð ) comes through fine but thorn ( ) does not. Let's see how it looks once I post. But you can see them both here [wikipedia.org] .

Th as always been a bad choice, it represents 2 different sounds, neither of which really sound like the combination of t and h. I support the use of eth and thorn in English.

NIH? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194391)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)

english already abandoned the thorn character (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194397)

This character already existed in the english language and was long ago abandoned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter) [wikipedia.org]

With that said, what the fuck is up with all of the crappy /. stories from fucking art students and other idiots who think they have a fucking clue about technology, language or anything fucking else. Seriously, this place has gone down hill. Why is this on /. at all?

-a 5 digit uid user

Re:english already abandoned the thorn character (2)

mschaffer (97223) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194495)

Apparently Australian restaurateurs do not do research before proposing the old and worthless.
Why stop there. How about a keyboard with a key for every commonly used group of characters?

Where's my damn schwa key?

Re:english already abandoned the thorn character (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194629)

With that said, what the fuck is up with all of the crappy /. stories from fucking art students and other idiots who think they have a fucking clue about technology, language or anything fucking else. Seriously, this place has gone down hill. Why is this on /. at all?

Give it this, it's not as eye-watering stupid as the "encrypted" font was...

But if they did that then I couldn't spell... (1)

3seas (184403) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194401)

"teh" anymore

Trademark? (2)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194425)

Fuck off, asshole. The thorn character existed long before your birth.

Re:Trademark? (1)

blueg3 (192743) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194527)

RTFS. The proposed character looks like a combination of T and h, but its meaning is the entire English word "the", not the sound "th".

Re:Trademark? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194879)

RTFS. The proposed character looks like a combination of T and h, but its meaning is the entire English word "the", not the sound "th".

And if that's what the submitter is after, what he's doing isn't saving any time or keystrokes or time. He still has t hit the cap key, the "t" and the "h". Three keystrokes, regardless.

In his case, incorporating T9 or something like it would probably help him more.

Re:Trademark? (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194551)

And the term "Subway" existed before the restaurant chain yet they have a trademark. You don't seem to actually understand how trademark law works.

Re:Trademark? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194673)

I believe he does understand how the law works - it doesn't.

I would say... (2)

lexx21 (1274802) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194427)

That the guy needs to learn to type and not be so lazy as to balk at having to type in the letters "Th".

IPA (2)

Mystakaphoros (2664209) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194429)

How about we just start typing everything in International Phonetic Alphabet?

Re:IPA (3, Funny)

psnyder (1326089) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194611)

ay @gri wIT yu k@mplitli. @nfOrtS@n@tli, wEbsAyts layk sl{SdAt wont lEt mi tayp D@ k@rEkt k{rIkt@rz, so ay h{d tu yus SAMPA [wikipedia.org] InstEd.

Re:IPA (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194729)

Ok Jar Jar, we get it.

Thorn (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194439)

We already had/have a letter for 'th' he could have used instead of copping the Cyrillic, it's called a thorn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)

"Ye" is this already (1)

CalRobert (2451626) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194445)

This is how we ended up with "Ye olde whatever" - "The" was a thorn with an e over it, but then English lost the thorn and people interpreted it as a y, since in blackletter it looks quite a lot like a y.

15 minutes of fame (1)

mschaffer (97223) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194449)

Ok. He had his 15 minutes of fame.
Can we move on to more important things---like just about anything else?

While we're at it (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194475)

Let's have a separate character for every word. I'm dying to learn 30000 characters before I can use a keyboard.

Re:While we're at it (3, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194605)

Say hello to the Chinese keyboard. [xcitefun.net]

Trademarking letters/words (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194503)

So some jerk is attempting to push a new keyboard symbol that he happens to be attempting to trademark. One wonders if he intends to license his new character symbol and keyboard layout to hardware manufacturers worldwide. If he can drum up enough interest by giving away free layouts to the public, he could rake in royalties for life.

I could (try to) take this seriously if it weren't for the trademark attempt.

He does not deserve a news on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194507)

He does not deserve a news on Slashdot.
Why write about this stupid idea and even more stupid problem?

Let's not dismiss it so easily. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194521)

I wouldn't mind a 'Th' key, as long as we get an 'OK' key and 'ing' key. It could prove extremely productive.

Re:Let's not dismiss it so easily. (1)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194665)

An "ing" or "tion" key would be 1000× times more productive and useful... says the guy who reprogrammed his keyboard to include: ½¼¾€®±øØ¥æÆð÷©

In reply to this gentleman... (4, Insightful)

TCaptain (115352) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194529)

I would like to put forward a letter of my own to this man.

y?

"The" is so last Thursday (4, Funny)

kheldan (1460303) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194567)

I'd like to start a petition to include a "Teh" key on all standard keyboards, who's with me?

Touch Typing (3, Insightful)

Ukab the Great (87152) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194589)

He should really campaign for touch typing literacy first. Someone having to switch back and forth between looking at their screen and their keyboard will slow them down far more than a few extra keystrokes.

Those who forget the past... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194607)

... are condemned to repeat it.

English evolves, as does the global use of Latin based alphabets. The current trend is towards fewer customized symbols, not more.

TL;DR Yet another asshat with more money than sense.

Re:Those who forget the past... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194757)

Said the guy with numbers for vowels in his username.

Re:Those who forget the past... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194799)

The current trend is towards fewer customized symbols, not more.

Said the guy with numbers for vowels in his username.

Well he's eliminated vowels - not inconsistent with what he said!

We used to have "thorn": and (1)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194625)

Icelandic still has them. If they were really important we'd return to using them. They're not and we don't. I'm all for them (and eth, Ð/ð) but there's no need. There's a much better case to be made for a glyph to represent and/or [typophile.com] but even the one offered doesn't flow; it's hard to distinguish from the ampersand and not easily written without multiple strokes which themselves lead to more confusion than clarification.

Remove X from English (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194639)

And while we are at it, let's please kill the X letter already, it is totally and utterly worthless.

Most times it's use is some pretentious exotic method of describing the sound Z.
Other times, it's literal use is to save typing "ks" / "cks", depending on how you view it.
Eksotic. Eksit. Much better. And it actually bloody looks more Eksotic than stupid X key does!

And fix the damn W already, it is a double-V, not double-U, damn it! Better yet, let's get rid of that mess of a letter altogether and replace it with X.

Re:Remove X from English (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194953)

Eksotic. Eksit. Much better.

Depends on your axxent. Some people pronounce exit as egzit, and exotic and egzotic.

Can I have... (1)

cockroach2 (117475) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194647)

a "-1" key instead?

I need a 'pwnd' key (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194651)

I'm doing so much damage in Battlefield 3 my fingers are getting tired.

Redundant (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194681)

"The main functionality of this is in the texting space,"

...where the cool kids already use the single character "d", as in:
u c d boyz yet?

As if unicode wasn't already hard to parse (2)

Orphis (1356561) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194707)

Seriously, why?! Don't we have enough unicode problems already everywhere?

XML-Entity (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194713)

should be &thlig; exactly like ß (&szlig)

Wow. That guy invented ligatures!

That was the one occasion where i acutally wanted to show the code for an entity rather than the resulting char...

Re:XML-Entity (1)

rjstanford (69735) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194787)

I'm just impressed that /. actually rendered a non-ascii character. Please, take one internet out of petty cash as a bonus.

Many steps ahead of that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194727)

I have 'auto correct' set to make phrases, or even sentences out of 'misspelled' keywords, so with a short 2, 3, or 4 letter 'misspelled' keyword, it auto inserts the phrase or sentence I commonly use. A few examples:

iaq = 'If you have any questions, please feel free to call or return email.'
afx = 'as displayed in Figure '
asx = 'as displayed in Slide '
txs = 'this evidence suggests'

Unifon Alphabet (2)

pevans (44803) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194737)

Thirty years ago when I still thought 'hope and change' was an actual thing, I was excited to discover the Unifon alphabet. It accomplishes the goals of this guy and much more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifon

Dear Paul Mathis (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194747)

Not everyone uses english, so fuck you because if your idea catches on, we'll soon have Chinese and Indian characters added to our qwerty and azerty keyboards.

Nah ... (4, Funny)

rjmx (233228) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194759)

The "Any" key would be far more useful.

The title says it all (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194765)

Man Campaigns For Addition of 'Th' Key To Keyboard

Man. Singular.

I think "Man Seeks Free Mention Of His Restaurant In Media" might have been a better headline.

Why doesn't he go the whole way and implement ... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194781)

A keyboard for the Initial teaching alphabet [wikipedia.org] . That has not not only "th" but "ng" and others

hmmm (1)

jameshofo (1454841) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194813)

Slow news day... /sigh where's all the stories of fireworks going haywire!

Already spanish piss me off... (2)

dargaud (518470) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194825)

...because 'ch' breaks sorting algorithms, then don't go back to '' (thorn [wikipedia.org] , which /. is likely to eat because of the lack of UTF-8).

Huh? (2)

Tinned_Tuna (911835) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194859)

What's þe problem? I can't see any "problem" here.

MEIHEM IN CE KLASRUM (3, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194901)

        BECAUSE WE ARE STILL BEARING SOME OF THE SCARS OF OUR BRIEF SKIRMISH with II-B English, it is natural that we should be enchanted by Mr. George Bernard Shaw's current campaign for a simplified alphabet.

        Obviously, as Mr. Shaw points out, English spelling is in much need of a general overhauling and streamlining. However, our own resistance to any changes requiring a large expenditure of mental effort in the near future would cause us to view with some apprehension the possibility of some day receiving a morning paper printed in-to us-Greek.

        Our own plan would achieve the same end as the legislation proposed by Mr. Shaw, but in a less shocking manner, as it consists merely of an acceleration of the normal processes by which the language is continually modernized.

        As a catalytic agent, we would suggest that a National Easy Language Week be proclaimed, which the President would inaugurate, outlining some short cut to concentrate on during the week, and to be adopted during the ensuing year. All school children would be given a holiday, the lost time being the equivalent of that gained by the spelling short cut.

        In 1946, for example, we would urge the elimination of the soft c, for which we would substitute "s." Sertainly, such an improvement would be selebrated in all sivic-minded sircles as being suffisiently worth the trouble, and students in all sities in the land would be reseptive to- ward any change eliminating the nesessity of learning the differense be- tween the two letters.

        In 1947, sinse only the hard "c" would be left, it would be possible to substitute "k" for it, both letters being pronounsed identikally. Imagine how greatly only two years of this prosess would klarify the konfusion in the minds of students. Already we would have eliminated an entire letter from the alphabet. Typewriters and linotypes, kould all be built with one less letter, and a11 the manpower and materials previously devoted to making "c's" kould be turned toward raising the national standard of living.

        In the fase of so many notable improvements, it is easy to foresee that by 1948, "National Easy Language Week" would be a pronounsed sukses. All skhool tshildren would be looking forward with konsiderable exsitement to the holiday, and in a blaze of national publisity it would be announsed that the double konsonant "ph" no longer existed, and that the sound would henseforth be written "f" in all words, This would make sutsh words as "fonograf" twenty persent shorter in print.

        By 1949, public interest in a fonetik alfabet kan be expekted to have inkreased to the point where a more radikal step forward kan be taken without fear of undue kritisism. We would therefore urge the elimination, at that time of al unesesary double leters, whitsh, although quite harmles, have always ben a nuisanse in the language and a desided deterent to akurate speling. Try it yourself in the next leter you write, and se if both writing and reading are not fasilitated.

        With so mutsh progres already made, it might be posible in 1950 to delve further into the posibilities of fonetik speling. After due konsidera- tion of the reseption aforded the previous steps, it should be expedient by this time to spel al difthongs fonetikaly. Most students do not realize that the long "i" and "y," as in "time" and "by," are aktualy the difthong "ai," as it is writen in "aisle" and that the long "a" in "fate," is in reality the difthong "ei" as in "rein." Although perhaps not imediately aparent, the saving in taime and efort wil be tremendous when we leiter elimineite the sailent "e," as meide posible bai this last tsheinge.

        For, as is wel known, the horible mes of "e's' apearing in our writen language is kaused prinsipaly bai the present nesesity of indikeiting whether a vowel is long or short. Therefore, in 1951 we kould simply elimineit al sailent "e's," and kontinu to read and wrait merily along as though we wer in an atomik ag of edukation.

        In 1951 we would urg a greit step forward. Sins bai this taim it would have ben four years sins anywun had usd the leter "c," we would sugest that the "National Easy Languag Wek" for 1951 be devoted to substitution of "c" for "Th." To be sur it would be som taim befor peopl would bekom akustomd to reading ceir newspapers and buks wic sutsh sentenses in cem as "Ceodor caught he had cre cousand cistls crust crough ce cik of his cumb.''

        In ce seim maner, bai meiking eatsh leter hav its own sound and cat sound only, we kould shorten ce language stil mor. In 1952 we would elimineit ce "y"; cen in 1953 we kould us ce leter to indikeit ce "sh" sound, cerbai klarifaiing words laik yugar and yur, as wel as redusing bai wun mor leter al words laik "yut," "yore" and so forc. Cink, cen, of al ce benefits to be geind bai ce distinktion whitsh wil cen be meid between words laik:

        ocean now writen oyean
        machine " " mayin
        racial " " reiyial

        Al sutsh divers weis of wraiting wun sound would no longer exist. and whenever wun kaim akros a "y" sound he would know exaktli what to wrait.

        Kontinuing cis proses, year after year, we would eventuali hav a reali sensibl writen langug. By 1975, wi ventyur tu sei, cer wud bi no mor uv ces teribli trublsum difikultis, wic no tu leters usd to indikeit ce seim nois, and laikwais no tu noises riten wic ce seim leter. Even Mr. Yaw, wi beliv, wud be hapi in ce noleg cat his drims fainili keim tru.

Fuck off (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,27 days | (#44194905)

We don't need joined letters, and you can fuck off with your oe and ae as well.

While you're at it... (1)

Azure Flash (2440904) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194913)

Why not make a keyboard with every word in the dictionary on a key? But then people will start wanting whole sentences on single keys...

Of course... (2)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | 1 year,27 days | (#44194929)

Of course this assumes every body speaks English, too. Depending on who you listen to, we should be downloading either Spanish keyboards if in the Americas or Mandrian keyboards for everywhere else. Or maybe just leave the keyboard alone. It might be antiquated, but really, the convenience of a "Th" key over all of the muscle memory and fine motor skills involved with the QWERTY keyboard for billions of people? The Dvorak keyboard was supposed to be a better design, too, but it never caught on, eithe.

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