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Ubuntu Edge Smartphone Funding Trends Low

timothy posted 1 year,2 days | from the hard-pace-to-maintain dept.

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alphadogg writes "The first heady rush of support for Canonical's crowd-funded Ubuntu Edge smartphone appears to have tapered off, as donations for the eye-catching device have slowed substantially over the past several days. The project sits just above the $7 million mark at the time of this writing – a large sum by the standards of crowd-funded projects, to be sure, but the $32 million goal is still a long way off. The Edge is slightly, but measurably, behind schedule – by about $600,000, according to a tracking graph made by Canonical's Gustavo Niemeyer. However, there's speculation that wealthy Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth might contribute some of his personal fortune to the project." The campaign has already broken records with its spectacular first few days. I hope that Shuttleworth does kick in to make production feasible, because the idea and the design are impressive — but I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone.

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Shuttleworth (4, Informative)

mknewman (557587) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422305)

Shuttle worth has already said that he will not buy up unsold units, as that defeats the idea of crowd sourcing. Some of his ideas will make it into mainstream phones in a few years. BTW I bought 2.

Re:Shuttleworth (0)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422415)

Shuttle worth has already said that he will not buy up unsold units, as that defeats the idea of crowd sourcing. Some of his ideas will make it into mainstream phones in a few years.

BTW I bought 2.

he could still just put in cash to just cash up the cash already in it, no need to produce devices(of course there's probably significant r&d money built into the price which is the profit portion, the very one they said there's not in the phones). you see, he could just not produce them for himself - but he would lose kickstarters cut at the very least, possibly even tax on the products.

though if he wanted to invest his own cash, he would have done it. and you sir bought two phones you have no idea what they are or what chips are in them from a company that has been in business for years(and is supposedly profitable, that is a bit hard to verify though, however nothing they have done for two years now speaks of them being a company in profit... wailing around trying to fish operator partners to pay up)

Re:Shuttleworth (1, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422563)

If they build them I will buy one.
I will even put down a $50 deposit.

I did not however buy one because I do not believe they will hit their goals. Instead buyers will get an underwhelming device at super phone prices.

Re:Shuttleworth (4, Informative)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422743)

they wont ever be for sale. these are all limited edition. assuming they meet the 32M goal... it WILL be a superphone... if they dont meet the 32M goal, there will be no phones at all, and everyone gets their money back.

Re:Shuttleworth (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422789)

Or far more likely if they do raise the $32M it will be a budget phone for a super phone price.

If they do that no one gets their money back and instead has a POS phone.

Re:Shuttleworth (3, Insightful)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422879)

that would be a really stupid business move on canonical's part. it wont be a budget phone, because they have no reason for it to be one. we arent buying phones here, we are funding the production of a limited edition superphone, which will be the basis for years to come. we are all tired of budget phones... instead of being a pessimist, you should fund the project and hope that it changes the market and we will be able to buy decently powerful phones at some point in the next decade.

Re:Shuttleworth (2)

waspbr (2015530) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422985)

This is just baseless FUD. If it was an unknown company then yeah you might have a point. But Canonical is not unknown, nor is it going anywhere. In the AMA Shuttleworth promised to deliver a top of the line hardware, even if that would mean he would have to take care of extra costs himself. This phone is not going to be mass produced, which does mean that costs may be a bit higher but also there is more wiggle room for novel and expensive components. The phone is still cheaper than an iphone5,

Re:Shuttleworth (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423185)

It is not FUD, it is my own fear. Shuttleworth has done a lot for the community, but I can't expect him to put himself in the poorhouse. You think he will really order 10x as many SOCs as he needs for the phone just to get top of the line parts?

Re:Shuttleworth (1)

ACluk90 (2618091) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422761)

You cannot buy one, the only way to get such a phone is to take part in the crowd funding. Or get one later, when someone sells his on eBay.

Re:Shuttleworth (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422813)

The phone will never exist, if they get their $32M I am almost certain the phones they ship will look nothing like their current plans. It will be budget device at a super phone price. This is due to their very low volume.

Re:Shuttleworth (3, Insightful)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422913)

you are such a pessimist, lol... they cant do that, everyone in the linux world would hate them for it. if they realize later during production that they cant do it with just the 32M, canonical will front the rest to realize its goals.

Re:Shuttleworth (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422959)

Oh I suspect they would ship alright. It would just take so long for them to ship the phones that by that time the specs would be run of the mill.

Re:Shuttleworth (2)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423115)

if shutteleworth says they will ship in may, they will ship in may. canonical is not an unknown company.... they have a lot of money, a lot of manpower, and a lot of innovation.

Re:Shuttleworth (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423217)

They have comparatively little money, no manpower on hardware and not much innovation in that space.

Heck, none of those matter as much as having a relationship with someone who can build this stuff. Who is even going to build them? What is the part number for the SOC? Where are they buying these sapphire screens?

Re:Shuttleworth (2, Interesting)

Burz (138833) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422973)

It behooves us to also consider whether Shuttleworth's track record and vision are impacting the level of enthusiasm. The Ubuntu desktop isn't exactly a breathtaking achievement in the eyes of most computer users. I use it daily, and I like some of the changes they are making in BAU for Linux desktops. But Unity is a dog's breakfast just laying there waiting to slip-up users as soon as they step foot over the threshold.

The other major fault from the standpoint of the consumer is they are still a "distro" and as such have what I call distro-itis. They are expected to sit in front of Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora/etc and think, "Hey I'm using Linux!" Then comes the inevitable schooling on different package formats, staying away from apps not coded for your "flavor"s UI toolkit and DE, and the lovely excuses about regression defects causing visual, audio and even keyboard failures are fault of "upstream, not us". I'm dealing with one such keyboard failure in the Ubuntu 13.04 lock screen now, on a Linux certified Thinkpad no less. (Keyboard failures I've had with Windows and Mac over the decades are absolutely zero.)

If I were to give advice to anyone wanting to create a consumer-level OS using FOSS, I would tell them to regard the existing software base as a "gift" of sorts, but by all means take full responsibility for the vision and finished product. And also banish "Linux" from any marketing description of the OS: When I buy a car, I do not want to see the brand of transmission or fuel injectors mixed-in with the branding of my prospective vehicles... save that for the spec sheets.

Cheaper Options.... (1, Interesting)

ZiakII (829432) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422329)

They really should of introduced some cheaper options. Like support the Ubuntu Edge for $60 and get a Ubuntu T-Shirt. Possibly include some other options that are not a staggering $700+ for most people.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422385)

A t-shirt perk was already added an hour ago.. also, tell me what a 64Gb iPhone costs today?

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422517)

Right now, a 64GB iPhone is roughly 275 Euro MORE expensive than the top tier price on the Ubuntu Edge.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

MightyYar (622222) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422645)

I don't buy those new, either. I'm not poor, but $600 is an expensive toy.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422665)

Right now, a 64GB iPhone is roughly 275 Euro MORE expensive

Right now, a 64GB iPhone actually exists.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

waspbr (2015530) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423005)

Apparently you don't grasp the concept of crowdfunding.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422527)

Yeah. But a 64 Gb iPhone isn't going to be a complete piece of shit. This will. Oh, the hardware might be okay, but it's going to ship with Ubuntu. Anybody can look at modern Ubuntu and draw conclusions about whether or not this is going to be a steaming turd.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1, Insightful)

homey of my owney (975234) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422579)

And even if it weren't... The enormous amount of money Google/Apple/Samsung/Nokia/Microsoft/every other company spends on marketing, immediately puts this at such a disadvantage that money invested is money lost.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422643)

Why?

It can run android apps, and you can flash any OS you want onto it. How is the money lost? Because your friends might not know how cool it is?

If I thought they would actually meet their design goals I would have already bought one.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422773)

theres no reason not to buy one... if it doesnt meet the goal, everyone gets their money back.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422869)

theres no reason not to buy one...

There are a shit-ton of reasons to not buy, er, "pre-order" one.

My reason: I've got better things to spend $700+ on than a non-existent device I have no use for.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422943)

lemme ask you this. if you dont help fund the edge, are you ACTUALLY going to spend the 700$ on something else? or is just going to sit in your bank?

Re:Cheaper Options.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423155)

Good point. You can invest the money, or you can give to Shuttleworth to earn interest on while you wait a year for some halfassed phone. Hmmm.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423163)

Caveat: My current phone is still my first smartphone - a Droid X I paid full retail for when it first came out, something I swore I would never do again (at least, not until the price of phones with decent hardware becomes reasonable).

lemme ask you this. if you dont help fund the edge, are you ACTUALLY going to spend the 700$ on something else? or is just going to sit in your bank?

Maybe; it's about time for a new desktop, and I wouldn't mind getting a few accessories for my new truck (7 Bones could get me a nice header-back Flowmaster system, new bumper/winch combo, some slick rims and jacked tires...). New gutters would be nice, too. Maybe a nice stone patio...

Lemme axe you (a couple) something(s): Why do you ask, and what would you have responded if I said I planned on banking the cash?

Re:Cheaper Options.... (2)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423135)

> Why?

The same reason Linux is unknown outside places like Slashdot.

Marketing does matter. It doesn't matter how good your product is if it doesn't have some good sleazy salesmen out there hocking it. You will be eclipsed by the companies with money enough to buy ads or prime shelf space in retail.

The world is not some idealized meritocracy.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422739)

that's bulls*it, it will run also Android if you don't like Ubuntu

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423141)

also dont forget that the ubuntu os for the phones is super cool and easy to use. the os is already available for testing on certain phones if you want to test it out.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422433)

Or they could just not had done those damn early bird offers.

I totally hate them even if I sign up early just to hold a spot. So useless. It's crowdfoundting for fucks sake. Everyone is in it to help realise a product, why do some get a better deal than others?

Sure I do understand it help make the project seem popular early but really so what? I'm a consumer not the person running the project.

Some with silly low goals or an extra high level with "free" stretch goals ..

Also on indiegogo it's much worse because the old categories seem to be removed (maybe they do it themself manually) once people have used up them so the fact that some people got the phone for 600, 625 and so on are hidden away from the people who visit it now. "Oh, there's still a cheaper option around!" ... or rather: "Yeah, you missed out a lot of cheaper ones."

I totally don't want it to succeed. Drop price to $600 for everyone and watch it do succeed.

Also full-hd would be nice if nothing else because other premium phones will be using it.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Splab (574204) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422587)

The problem I have with it isn't as much the different prices, but to have $800 tied up in something that may or may not success, thats a heap of money.

And should my current phone die on me before the Edge is delivered, I'm either without a phone or going to have a redundant phone when the Edge is finally here (Can't live without a smartphone these days).

If the edge does complete, it could very well be my next phone, but just not going to tie up that amount of money on a whim...

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422817)

the phone is valued at more than 800 dollars. they have all the ranges of prices so that ppl think "oh, i need to get one earlier rather than later" instead of "meh, ill get one at the end of the campaign". if they reduce the price to 600$... the phone would have to be a shit phone, because the parts in it alone are worth more than that. also, theres no reason to have full hd... anything above 720p is just wasted overhead.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422859)

Also full-hd would be nice if nothing else because other premium phones will be using it.

For a handheld device like a phone, there's really no point going above 300 ppi. Your eye wont notice, and it only serves to push the processor more and have people store larger files. That said, connecting the Edge to a HD screen will produce a full HD picture, but for the phone it's a waste.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422969)

this. the problem is that all the major phone manufacturers have created this mindset of "higher resolution is better" and put themselves in a resolution race that only serves to drain the battery and burn out the processor faster.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422583)

They really should of introduced some cheaper options. Like support the Ubuntu Edge for $60 and get a Ubuntu T-Shirt. Possibly include some other options that are not a staggering $700+ for most people.

*Should have or should've - take your pick. "Should of" doesn't make any sense.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422595)

$800 would be fine, if I believed for a second the final device would be what they claim. I suspect they are aiming to high and at such low volume will not be able to get the parts they want.

They should have made a small run of them to prove it could be done. If they had I would have already bought one.

Or let us make a deposit and pay the rest if the described device actually ships.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (2)

ssam (2723487) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422717)

A small run would probably cost a huge amount more. These aren't components that you can buy individually. You need to be about place orders for thousands at a time.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422731)

Which is why they won't be able to do it.

I mean a single one, lets see a single real phone. If anyone thought they could pull this off one of the OEMs would build them a prototype.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423153)

they have some prototypes... that being said, they are going to wait as long as possible to make sure it has the best specs available at launch.

Re:Cheaper Options.... (2)

Rakishi (759894) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423103)

More to the point, making phones is hard and making good phones is even harder. Look at the issues apple has had with their new phones and Apple is, from what I've heard, some of the if not the best in the game in terms of hardware talent.

I'd bet money they run into issues, start cutting corners and finally launch a buggy device that misses a number of features. Pretty standard really for a v1 if you think about it but not something I'd want to drop $800 for ahead of time especially without knowing what bugs and missing features there will be (ie: do I care about the particular short falls or not).

Re:Cheaper Options.... (1)

JanneM (7445) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422619)

"Like support the Ubuntu Edge for $60 and get a Ubuntu T-Shirt."

They do now. $50 gives you an Edge T-shirt as well as recognition as founder.

No retailer fee either (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422341)

"but I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone" - how much did that 64Gb iPhone cost again?

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422607)

We didn't bought it. This is Slashdot.

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

MightyYar (622222) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422671)

My Samsung Exhibit 4g was $200.

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422763)

My yugo was cheaper than a mercedes.

You are comparing a carrier branded budget device. Also it was not $200, the contract pricing included the real cost over a longer term.

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423157)

My yugo was cheaper than a mercedes.

You are comparing a carrier branded budget device

You're comparing a thing that you decide to buy, with a thing that you decide to not buy. I noticed you said "my" Yugo and "a" Mercedes. It's pretty clear who presented you with the superior offer. One of those companies was more serious about getting your money than the other.

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423197)

> My yugo was cheaper than a mercedes.

The usual Apple fanboy mentality bullshit.

The truth is that you can in fact pay HALF for the same product without the need to compromise. You simply buy the brand that isn't over-hyped all to hell.

It's a pretty trivial thing to do with cars.

Plus the "generic" allows you avoid lots of highly proprietary expensive to maintain components that jack up your TCO as well as your entry price.

That fruity logo does have a price.

Re:No retailer fee either (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422995)

"but I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone" - how much did that 64Gb iPhone cost again?

$0, because I didn't buy one. So you're right: zero iPhones in exchange for $0 is a fair deal and I'd do it again. Same goes for a $0 Ubuntu phone: I'll take zero and be a happy customer.

This reminds me of unplayable DRMed copies of movies. Those are a fair deal for the price I pay, too ;-)

More about the ideal than the phone (4, Interesting)

Bradmont (513167) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422345)

While this looks to be a great phone, the crowdfunding campaign is about a lot more than getting a cool phone; it's about proving an idea: that there is a market for special-run, innovative devices. If they succeed, they could seriously change the way phones are produced, and we could see an influx of really cool hardware projects in the future. This is important for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the opin hardware movement. While using open hardware is not a goal of this project, if they manage to succeed, we could see something similar for fully open smartphones not too far down the road. Shuttleworth said in his Reddit AMA that this might be an idea for the next iteration (though I wouldn't put too much stock in that). However, if the concept is proven, others could follow suit pretty quick. So, it's not so much $800 for a cool phone, but an $800 investment in the future of computing.

Looks nice; way too expensive (4, Insightful)

sanosuke001 (640243) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422347)

The design is interesting and I'd love a dual-boot android/ubuntu device but I can't spend $600, let alone $830 on a phone.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (0, Troll)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422491)

The design is interesting and I'd love a dual-boot android/ubuntu device but I can't spend $600, let alone $830 on a phone.

the design? you mean the pictures? that's what they are, pictures..
that's why it's on indiegogo, they're more lax about that kind of stuff, so you can get by with only showing a rendering and implying you have a product ready without actually showing.. they have not chosen any parts for the device yet.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422735)

Yeah, "the pictures" which is why I said "design." Why are you being a troll? I didn't say, "The completed phone is amazing; too bad they only built one of them."

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

ChristW (18232) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422507)

A contract with your carrier with a 'free phone' attached costs about $50 a month, so (those are usually 2 years...) cost $1200 in two years. If you get a SIM-only contract (is that possible in the US?), those are $5 to $10 a month, so you save $800+ in 2 years. Hey, that's enough to buy an Edge, right there!

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422603)

A contract with your carrier with a 'free phone' attached costs about $50 a month, so (those are usually 2 years...) cost $1200 in two years. If you get a SIM-only contract (is that possible in the US?), those are $5 to $10 a month, so you save $800+ in 2 years. Hey, that's enough to buy an Edge, right there!

or you could buy just any high end smartphone you want.

like, um, this year.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422633)

T-mobile and MVNOs in the USA do offer SIM only plans.

They are more like $30-$50, but on contract plans for a smartphone are going to be double that. You $50 a month is comparatively cheap vs the average american smartphone plan.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422711)

My unlocked no contract android phone was $100, not $800. Most people neither need nor can afford $800 phones or $50/month contracts.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423093)

an iphone without contract costs you around 600$ in the US, and about 900 in eu. when the galaxy s2 came out, it was 550$ in the US.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423205)

dont compare a budget phone with a top of the line piece of hardware. obviously you can go to a store and buy yourself a piece of junk desktop for 200-400$... but any real desktop will cost you 1500-2k in parts.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

dugancent (2616577) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422733)

A 16gb Nexus is $349, off-contract, on the play store. I would never spend $500+ on a phone.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

MightyYar (622222) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422755)

I spend $30/month on T-Mobile Prepay in the US, which gives me 5GB of data, unlimited texting, and 100 minutes. Additional minutes are $0.10. I use about $10/month in extra minutes. So that's $40-45/month unsubsidized, rock-bottom in the US for a smartphone on a fast-ish network. My wife has a no-data (well, a few MB), 1200 minutes or texts plan for the same $30 and she never goes over.

I think the cheapest post-paid plans in the US run around $80/month.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423013)

There is no set data as the carries won't release it, but most have reduced that the built-in carrier fee is around $20-$25/month, not $50.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422611)

Then you can't afford a smartphone.
You are paying that one way or another.

I would be more than happy to spend $800 if they would show us real production units.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422753)

Except that I have a phone to use instead of giving them $800 and waiting two years to get it. Also, affording something over two years ie cell plan is easier to budget for than a large $800 chunk.

Re:Looks nice; way too expensive (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422983)

im guessing that youve never bought a phone outside of a carrier contract. you know those phones you get for 150$ when you upgrade every other year? yea... those are 500 or 600$ phones... the phone company is just subsidising it and making their money back by increasing the price of your contract to balance it.

Currently priced about the same as an iPhone 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422359)

At the current contribution required for one of the Ubuntu phones it works out about the same as an iPhone 5.

Re:Currently priced about the same as an iPhone 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423203)

At the current contribution required for one of the Ubuntu phones it works out about the same as an iPhone 5.

Well that can't be right. Everybody knows the iPhone is overpriced and shiny. Can you please recheck your math? And is the Ubuntu phone shiny?

leary? (1)

ischorr (657205) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422381)

> but I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone.

I'm not quite sure I get this. Spending so much on what? On R&D and production? Total on a crowdsource fund? Per donator on a crowdsource project? Is the phone itself projected to be expensive or something?

Re:leary? (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422511)

People are buying the phone in the crowdsourcing. It's 600 to 830 USD depending on when you bought.

Re:leary? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422663)

Which is a totally normal price for a phone bought outright. Otherwise you pay the same amount or more via your contract. There is no free lunch.

Re:leary? (1)

aliquis (678370) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422843)

It's a normal price for a premium phone yes. Or well, at least the $600 is.

But not everyone buy the most premium phones and even though I'm from Sweden now when you mention it maybe the person was from say the US and still think it's much to pay up front. Also if you're going to compare phones in reality you could look it as paying that much + be without a phone for 3/4 of a year. Because that's the reality of it. If you buy another phone now you get a phone now. If you buy this one well you won't get a phone now.

Sure it will have better specs but so will other phones by then. And you could buy them just when you want them.

Re:leary? (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423081)

according to the research ive done, no phones will come close to the edge by may. the top of the line phones will have 3gb of ram, and a quad core processor at best. they will also still be using lithium ion batteries, which are nowhere near as good as silicon anode batteries. also, i read somewhere that samsung has decided to use HD glass for their new phones instead of gorilla glass... which just means they will break way more often.

Re:leary? (1)

DogDude (805747) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422909)

You do realize that you're "donating" to a privately, for-profit company, right?

My view (1)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422413)

Is that what was presented was nice, but contained nothing that was really wow in any way. As such its a premium phone/tablet and there is convincing to be done.

Would I really pay double for this phone - if so.. why? I honestly did not see anything really ahead of the curve despite Mr Shuttleworth trying to intimate that the phone handset market is conservative (it used to be, I am less than sure that HTC ones and Samsung Galaxy 4's are such .. the hand sets seem to be racing along tech wise from where I sit..)

No SD Card Slot? No thanks (5, Insightful)

tdp252 (519328) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422455)

The trend of omitting an SD Card slot so that people are funneled through cloud services is disappointing. I personally won't be buying any device where I am forced into being Cloud-walled.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422657)

Absolutely. Why isn't there someone doing a device with more than one?
The biggest hole in all current 'fashion' devices is storage.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422675)

It has wifi. Also it should have a usb charger that lets you connect to your computer, assuming you have one. You should have plenty of opportunities to load things onto the 128 gb ssd. If you are having trouble fitting your files on that, find me another phone with as much.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

composed (3001919) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422765)

What would you use a piffling sd card for when there is 128Gb onboard and docking to any lan? (with access to any kind of peripheral)

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422949)

Because some people like their own storage, and don't actually like the cloud storage game. Not for everyone I am sure.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

Xicor (2738029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423039)

sd cards are pointless. it has 128gb of ssd. would you put a sd card in your desktop for storage? i think not.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423011)

What would you use a piffling sd card for when there is 128Gb onboard and docking to any lan?

Heh, reminds me of a question I heard back in the late 1990's, when a buddy bought 2 of the first Gig hard drives we'd ever seen:

"2 Gigs?? What're you going to do with 2 Gigs? There's not enough porn on the internet to fill that!"

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423079)

I'll take that internal storage anyday over sd cards.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422875)

So you have read the specs to say there is no SD card slot. Right?
Did you missed the storage line?

It has 128 f*cking GB storage!
SD card slots are so 2010.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422955)

Dude, it has a 128 GB SSD in it -.-'

How often do you take apart your phone to transfer files using the sd-card? Never, because you just plug a usb-into it and mount it on your pc.

Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks (1)

msk (6205) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423065)

. . . and no sign that the battery is easy to replace.

If it works with Ting (the best Sprint MVNO, IMO), then I'll consider it later. I like having an SD card slot and an easily-replaceable battery.

Edge?!?!?!? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422481)

Better have a big cache on the Youtube app is all I have to say.

Re:Edge?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422589)

Better have a big cache on the Youtube app is all I have to say.

you win! they better have already sourced their LTE chips because otherwise THEY WILL NOT BE SHIPPING IN MAY or even for christmas 2014

Serious Doubts on Canonical's Ability (3, Interesting)

Bollie (152363) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422689)

RANT COMMENCING!

I have serious doubts that Canonical is able to deliver on this: they do not have a history of delivering top-notch software, unless you count their press-releases and boundless enthusiasm as software.

Aside from a few interesting things (upstart being among the few projects adopted outside of Ubuntu), they've basically decided to ignore whatever the rest of the community is doing and implement their own (buggy) stuff which is "better". Canonical's stuff makes GNOME3 look usable. That takes some doing.

Aside from my doubts about their ability, I also find the concept deeply flawed. Cheap support infrastructure does not currently exist for a dockable phone. Sure, you can use it as a desktop, you just need to buy a dock that you carry around, or a dock for every desk you usually use. Sure, you can use it as a phone, you just need a bluetooth headset that you have to keep charged when you're using it as a desktop. Sure, it's dual-boot, it just means that you can't phone or use the desktop when you switch modes. Sure it can do all of the above, but you have no battery life.

People who need to navigate and use their phone a lot tend to have TWO devices: a GPS or built-in satnav an a phone. Convergence is a great idea, but you're going to pay a lot in battery life for all those features. Running out of juice is NOT FUN these days.

It appears Shuttleworth is trying to emulate companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google by doing the opposite of what used to be done in the spirit of Linux. The copyright clause in all Canonical software, Mir, forking GNOME into Unity and the doublespeak pouring out of the community spokesdrones have been in stark contrast to the early days of Debian, Slackware and open culture. Maybe he really believes he's Steve Jobs and Bill Gates reincarnated and rolled into one: I really think he's got the remorselessness of the one and the ruthlessness of the other.

I believe Ubuntu has single-handedly done more to bring down the quality of Linux on the desktop than any other distro.

I believe the reason Ubuntu is so successful is because of marketing. NOT because of technical quality. This is why I believe that the human race is getting stupider every year. Ah well.

RANT CONCLUDED!

I was going to buy one..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422811)

I finally gave in and was going to pony up for one just for the fun of it, but when I went to pay the only option was Paypal. I have a personal boycott of Paypal, so no funds for Cononical.

Give Canonical money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422841)

I haven't heard a better joke all week, and that includes Russia using cell phone tower spoofing to "track stolen phones"!

!crowdsourcing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44422847)

This isn't crowd sourcing, they aren't trying to raise capital for a new project.

They'er just trying to build a product, and make a profit at zero risk.

Re:!crowdsourcing (1)

Luthair (847766) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423051)

While I don't entirely disagree, Canonical isn't able to leverage scale in the production of the device and it does include quite a bit of NAND Flash.

A key element ... (1)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | 1 year,2 days | (#44422987)

... corporate buy-in, is where the campaign is really lacking. Numbers would rack up much faster with a few $80,000 committments. But business has been burned before by vaporware and a nearly year-long, (if everything goes according to plan), wait to get any return on the investment is a very, very hard sell.

Maybe if you could buy a phone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423015)

The normal phone "pledge level" is sold out. Now I have to cough up more for a "special" version that I don't care about. Or buy two at once. How did they expect so few people to actually want the phones?

Leery? (1)

Roadmaster (96317) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423059)

" I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone.".

No, you're leery of not being subsidized by your phone carrier. Most high-end smartphones cost about the same as the Ubuntu Edge, if you buy them off-contract. Look at the 32-GB iPhone 5, it's $749, which is close to a 128-GB Ubuntu Edge (and of course I'm ignoring the Edge's other specs which also quite good).

Way Behind (4, Informative)

Luthair (847766) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423121)

Strictly looking at the ratio of raised : goal doesn't tell the whole story for each of the past 3-days they've only earned 200k. If that trend continues (and imo it's more likely they will tail off further) they'll be ~12 million by the end of the campaign.

Waste of money (1)

tom229 (1640685) | 1 year,2 days | (#44423229)

Want a phone that runs Ubuntu today? Go buy a Nexus 4 for $300, and install the Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview [ubuntu.com] .

Warning: it's not very good. In fact, I found my phone was orders of magnitude more useful running CyanogenMod.

Assuming the edge sparks development of Ubuntu touch, you'll still be able to install it on your old android phones... so why tie up $800 into a phone that doesn't even exist yet, built for a platform that isn't even close to mature? Also, when exactly did it become ok for these for-profit companies to start exploiting crowd sourcing. I feel like that should be reserved for independent start-ups.

tato (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44423237)

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