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CES 2014: Now You Can Make 360 Degree Videos With a Single Camera (Video)

Roblimo posted about 9 months ago | from the a-camera-that-gives-you-an-eye-in-the-back-of-your-head dept.

Hardware 52

The device that does this is the Geonaute 360 Degree Camera. The Geonaute display caught Tim Lord's eye at CES, and he got Geonauter (is that a word?) Marian Le Calves to show him the company's "action camera," which costs $499 -- or more accurately, will cost $499 when it starts shipping. Until then, you can pre-order. Or you could buy a GoPro camera for as little as $199. Geonaute has a bunch of videos on YouTube, some of which are quite fetching. But GoPo has a bunch of slick YouTube videos, too, and at this point they're the dominant brand in the action camera market niche. Will Geonaute be able to capture a decent market share with their 360 degree coolness -- and higher price? Or will they, GoPro, and other action camera vendors get into a price war so that every kid who has a skateboard can make good-looking videos?

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Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (3, Informative)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about 9 months ago | (#45909431)

Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone
http://www.gopano.com/store/ [gopano.com]

I'd say the price war is on - $200-500 bucks for this gizmo already seems too high.

Re: Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (0)

iamhassi (659463) | about 9 months ago | (#45909517)

Wow yeah can't beat that price, wish I had mod points

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909681)

does it with a free iphone or will i need to buy one?

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909809)

You just use the Iphone that everyone already has, or are you some sort of pleb?

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (1)

radiumsoup (741987) | about 9 months ago | (#45910311)

...for a very specific (but entirely unpopular) definition of the word "everyone", I suppose you might be right

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (3, Insightful)

number17 (952777) | about 9 months ago | (#45910379)

The GoPano relies on focusing on a mirror. When that mirror gets scratched, smudged, or warped you notice it. Also, the image quality just isnt there. Don't take my word for it, just look at any of the HD videos on youtube.

My experience has been with the EyeSee360 and still photos. It was great as a novelty until you realize that the pictures just don't look that great.

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45915407)

The GoPano mirror is their consumer-level product. They also make mirrors that people are using with Red cameras for high-end work. You get what you pay for.

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45910729)

So a clunky attachment on an iPhone is the same as this product?
Who mods up this shite?

Re:Or...just spend $60 for a GoPano for iPhone (2)

Ezza (413609) | about 9 months ago | (#45912553)

Yes but the GoPano creates basically a ring of video, not a sphere like the Geonaut which captures virtually everything both around and above/below (except for the camera base).

Play with it on their home page:http://fr.playgeonaute.com/video-360-692-geonaute-360-don-t-miss-any-action

Ten times more expensive (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 9 months ago | (#45913631)

But I have a Nikon D3100, you insensitive clod! Hmm. cheaper to get an iPhone.

Or buy the Ricoh Theta for less, and do it today (1)

gweilo8888 (921799) | about 9 months ago | (#45909479)

Seriously, there is nothing new here. The Ricoh Theta shoots 360-degree still panoramas and is available today.

https://theta360.com/en/ [theta360.com]

Oh, and it costs $100 less.

Belay that, I'm an idiot. (Or was this time.) (1)

gweilo8888 (921799) | about 9 months ago | (#45909505)

And then I re-read the headline. Shot too quick here, missed the fact it said "videos". I don't *think* Theta does those, although there's no reason it couldn't. (And there are other products already on the market which can.)

However, mod me down for being an idiot this time round; it's a fair cop.

Reminder ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909575)

It is not nice to randomly redirect people to beta.slashdot. Actually, it is quite rude.
beta sucks.

GoPo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909625)

Sounds like something I do after eating Taco Bell

Good looking videos? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 9 months ago | (#45909689)

Most of what makes for a good looking video has to do with subject tracking, slow pans, good lighting, image cropping to avoid distractions, sound quality and levels, and things you're never going to see from typical users of this device.

I'll wait for the 2040 rewrite, thanks.

Re:Good looking videos? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909983)

These cameras are usually used for outdoor sports. The lighting tends to be good enough and, being sunlight, is out of the control of the sportsman.

What makes a 360 camera great is that subject tracking, pans, and cropping can be done in post. With other cameras having with a standard wide to narrow focal length, they require good camera work as you describe. This is why Go Pro videos are boring at best. Assuming they're rigged well, they do capture the subject matter, but in the most boring way possible. Making it non-boring requires multiple cameras and rigs.

A 360 degree camera can capture multiple angles with a single lens, a single body, and single rigging. This is important to the market to which this is being sold. Skiers, snowboarders, and skaters aren't going mount 3 cameras onto their bodies.

While the company selling this is smart enough to provide a really neat interface where viewers can drag their perspective, allowing "lazy" consumer uploads to be watchable, the real beauty of this will be in post-production where a story can be cut and edited from a single, lightweight body/rigging.

Re:Good looking videos? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 9 months ago | (#45910079)

These cameras are usually used for outdoor sports. The lighting tends to be good enough and, being sunlight, is out of the control of the sportsman.

Sunlight ... you've never been to Oregon, Washington, BC, or Alaska then, I take it?

We have entire months when it's grey and cloudy - and we do more adventure sports than you do.

Re:Good looking videos? (2)

_merlin (160982) | about 9 months ago | (#45910897)

What makes a 360 camera great is that subject tracking, pans, and cropping can be done in post.

Why do so many people seem to miss the fact that you can't fake perspective? Taking a crop or using a longer lens does not get you the same picture as getting closer (and vice versa). Same with actually following a subject: taking a crop and trying to correct the image to make it look straight is not the same as actually shooting from the angle you need. These cameras are just going to lead to more bad content ending up on the interwebz.

Re:Good looking videos? (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 9 months ago | (#45912383)

Exactly.

When I saw 360 degree videos in the headline, I looked at the bag I had just packed for my trip tomorrow, containing my ageing, but decent, video-capable DSLR, and my fish-eye lens. Nothing new about either of those parts, and that's got a 360 degree horizon when looking straight up or down.
And my, the perspective...

Zzzzz (1)

TrollstonButterbeans (2914995) | about 9 months ago | (#45909699)

Boring! Wake me up when it can do 360 x 360 degrees of video.

Then I'll be like, ZOMG! I can record video in every direction at ONCE!!!!

Re:Zzzzz (1)

ChrisMaple (607946) | about 9 months ago | (#45909899)

Once you have 360 degrees in one direction, you only need 180 in the other to achieve a full sphere. Look at the latitude-longitude markings on a globe.

Re:Zzzzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45910873)

So if I told you I've built an action camera that can do 360x180, in 3D, and could properly render both near field and far field, would that be worth something?

Re:Zzzzz (1)

mikael (484) | about 9 months ago | (#45912655)

Is it HD Video, and can be used with 3D TV's, and/or 3D shutter glasses, then yes.
If you have sample timelapse videos of flowers blooming, rollercoaster rides, first-person views of skydiving, sub-sea diving, acrobats, jugglers, aircraft carrier landings, then that is perfect.

http://www.3dtv.at/Movies/Index_en.aspx [3dtv.at]

Re:Zzzzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45918591)

It is, it can, though I prefer a HMD with tracking.

That aircraft carrier landing may take some time to arrange, but I'll have the rest in the demo reel in a few months (current footage is pretty tame in comparison, mostly just DoF and motion tests, travel time now being the biggest hurdle to new footage).

Re:Zzzzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45910023)

It does capture video in every direction at once into a photosphere (or videosphere). There are the tell-tale signs of UV mapping as you look up or down, though.

Re:Zzzzz (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 9 months ago | (#45911959)

And how would you watch such a video? (all at once)

Re:Zzzzz (1)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | about 9 months ago | (#45912007)

Put two of these back to back and you do have 360 x 360 degrees. ZOMG!

Re:Zzzzz (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 9 months ago | (#45912467)

Put two of these back to back and you do have 360 x 360 degrees. ZOMG!

720 degrees of satisfaction!

The main youtube video doesn't show anything (2)

Garble Snarky (715674) | about 9 months ago | (#45909725)

Why would I want to see video of them using the device? I just want to see SAMPLE VIDEO that comes out of it.

Re:The main youtube video doesn't show anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909889)

There is a sample video on the front of their webpage (scroll down): http://www.geonaute.com/

I have to say, I'm impressed.

Re:The main youtube video doesn't show anything (1)

Skater (41976) | about 9 months ago | (#45910803)

I'm not - I spent most of the snowboarders video trying to scroll around to get back to a normal forward view, and failing. Part of any kind of art is trimming the raw material down to the gold nugget inside. We're not impressed by a hunk of stone, but we are impressed when someone takes that stone and carves an elephant from it. This camera just gives you all the raw video in every direction, like that hunk of stone. Other than inside a 360 degree theater like in Canada's pavilion at Epcot (the only one I've ever seen), it's hard to understand the appeal of this camera... I'm just not seeing it.

Re:The main youtube video doesn't show anything (1)

PIBM (588930) | about 9 months ago | (#45909911)

No, you don't. The quality is pretty low, and it reminds me of the first web cameras. The lighting is not correctly adjusted between the captors (iso / aperture / exposure time ?) and the player is horrible with very wide high resolution desktop. Oh well, maybe in a few years!

How interesting (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 9 months ago | (#45909891)

So does it work better , worse, or the same as the free app for Android my buddy showed me the other day that does the same thing (actually, it may just be something built in, I didn't actually ask if it was an app).

Now you can... (1)

jkonrath (72701) | about 9 months ago | (#45909941)

... do nothing. It's not launched yet. I hate how every year at CES, all of these vaporware or half-ass products are announced and demoed, and everybody acts like they are on the shelves as we speak. You won't ever see 90% of this crap.

Does Tim Lord (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45909945)

Ever get tired of Doctor Who jokes, you think?

Re:Does Tim Lord (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45911517)

T—Timmah!

Oculus Rift (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45910029)

360 degree videos will be much fun to view in a Oculus Rift. Can't wait for these to become popular (well, both items, actaully :)!

Heheheh, gross (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 9 months ago | (#45910641)

Well, Geonaut, 360-degree camera, may be the first consumer electronic not driven by porn -- who he hell wants to see a bunch of fat film crew on the other side of the room with bulges in their pants?

Geonaute, as in Decathlon? (1)

Incadenza (560402) | about 9 months ago | (#45910715)

So this is supposedly the same company that makes cheap copies of Suunto/Garmin watches [decathlon.nl] for the French budget sports chain Decathlon? Name and logo are identical. That is weird, because usually Decathlon sells slightly inferior products for a far lower price (which makes the Decathlon chain very popular with people that care more for outdoor sports than for appearances).

Big Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45911149)

I've been able to do this with Nokia Lumia 920 for 2 years now.

screw gopro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45911721)

and their DMCA abuses

Geonaughty (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | about 9 months ago | (#45911955)

Just wait until someone shoots porn with it!

Now? Or this from two years ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45911969)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dot/dot-360o-video-capture-for-the-iphone-4

Open Source panoramic image processing ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45912175)

Anyone play with any open source image processor tools that support panoramic or 360 degree 'stitching'?

Even if just for stills? I'm trying to think of some interesting uses beyond making nauseating ski-pr0n...

These would be great for visual effects (1)

Thagg (9904) | about 9 months ago | (#45912271)

I did visual effects for the first four Fast and Furious movies. We did a lot of the car photography on a green-screen stage, and comped in backgrounds shot driving down streets. We used arrays of film cameras, usually Arri 435s (on Fast 2 we also used VistaVision cameras.)

These would be much simpler, cheaper, and more rugged.

There are similar cameras from Point Grey [ptgrey.com]. These have been out for quite some time. The Point Grey cameras are an order of magnitude more expensive than these vaporware cameras, though.

Thad

Don't buy it, Geonaute is BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45912299)

Specially with software, they are a crappy company.

I bought a geonaute keymaze GPS watch that basically is just a rebranded watch from an American company.

The only difference is that the geonaute version had sh*t firmware. The one from the American company would be seen by lots of GPS waypoint and track programs. The keymaze was not.

It also came with a bad translated from French software that could store and upload waypoints and tracks, but was replaced by a .NET BS software that is slow as snail, takes all your memory, and does not let you even upload waypoints.

So basically I just spent more than a hundred euros in a brick that could only communicate with some obscure Linux programs.

Don't buy Geonaute shit.

Double whammy! (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 9 months ago | (#45913513)

Two /vertisements in one!

go low tech for about a buck (1)

ihtoit (3393327) | about 9 months ago | (#45914261)

...and mount a conical mirror with the apex inward, I'd say on a cutout lens cap. Very easily doable with superglue and a couple paperclips. In fact, it's been done with smartphones. I think there's one out for the iphone 4.

Kolor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45914289)

The French company Kolor has a similar product, similar price point: http://www.kolor.com/360-video/record

GoPro What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45914497)

GoPro sucks balls, firmware is shit, apps are shit, support is miserable, they want you to register before you can make an update (which you need an empty sdcard for) Wow, I was so disappointed by it.
The image quality is actually quite good when it works.
Next time it's going to be a Contour!

Needs ethernet + PoE (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | about 9 months ago | (#45915643)

I'd kill for a product like this that could be mounted to a pole on my roof and viewed in realtime with host software running on a PC (or Android tablet, if it had the horsepower to do the realtime deconvolution and virtual PTZ).

This would also turn it into a kick-ass security camera for places where aesthetics are less important than performance and cost

To keep the base cost low, they could make the ethernet+PoE an optional second module that the main one screws into and feeds the raw bitstream that would otherwise be written to microSD. Module #2 could handle the PoE (or passively-injected) power conversion and wrapping of raw (presumably h.264) data as UDP multicast (and forward error correction), as well as keeping the actual connection weatherproof. Inside the house, the host PC could then buffer the raw data for a few frames, then implement the virtual PTZ.

Enhancements that would make it even better for this purpose:

* optional "hat" mount to shield the 3 main cameras from rain, with fourth camera pointing up that has a pinhole-sized lens and strong blower to keep it clear of water (obviously you'd lose camera #4 during active rain, but the blower would clear away the water as soon as it stopped raining).

* vapor-tight shell to protect the electronics from night/morning dew in places like Florida, where 99% humidity condenses on just about everything left outdoors overnight. Or "very tight" shell, with a clump of silica gel and a moisture sensor so the user knows when he has to climb up onto the roof, grab the camera, open it up, and bake the silica gel in the oven for a few hours to make it useful again.

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