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Curved TVs Nothing But a Gimmick

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the says-the-gartner-analyst dept.

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Lucas123 (935744) writes "Currently, the hottest trend from TV manufacturers is to offer curved panels, but analysts say it's nothing more than a ploy to pander to consumers who want the latest, coolest-looking tech in their home. In the end, the TVs don't offer better picture quality. In fact, they offer a degraded view to anyone sitting off center. Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience by offering a more balanced and uniform view so that the edges of the set don't appear further away than the middle. Paul Gray, director of European TV Research for DisplaySearch, said those claims are nothing by pseudo-science. "Curved screens are a gimmick, much along the same lines as 3D TVs are," said Paul O'Donovan, Gartner's principal analyst for consumer electronics research."

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No Way! (4, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 6 months ago | (#47123233)

Curved TV's aren't better? I can't believe it!

Re:No Way! (4, Informative)

icebike (68054) | about 6 months ago | (#47123383)

Curved TV's aren't better? I can't believe it!

The odd bit is at the end of TFS where they say that curved TVs are a gimmick like 3D TVs. There is a big difference, 3D TVs actually give an appearance of 3D when viewing 3D content, (all the brain-and-eye confusing tricks and deception notwithstanding). Every reasonably normal sighted person can see the 3D effect, most just don't think its worth the price (or the headaches).

Curved TVs on the other hand provide a picture that is indistinguishable from normal flat screens, EVEN when you see them side by side in the store.

Re:No Way! (5, Funny)

rujasu (3450319) | about 6 months ago | (#47123459)

But curved TV's give the appearance of a TV that will produce a better picture. That's something, right?

Re:No Way! (2)

ArmoredDragon (3450605) | about 6 months ago | (#47123625)

I don't own a curved TV, nor am I interested in defending the concept, but one thing I do notice with flat TVs is that even matte displays are prone to reflecting at least some fixed outside light source to the viewer. I can't help but wonder if a curved screen would reduce this.

I have a window that reflects off of a matte display and is annoyingly visible on the screen during the day. The only way to get rid of it is to either put a heavy blanket over it or to turn the tv in a very uncomfortable angle.

Re:No Way! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123655)

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Re:No Way! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123801)

If you have a glossy flat TV, then there will be one particular angle where light hitting will reflect right at you and annoy the crap out of you. For a curved TV, there the light will reflect off different parts of the screen for a wider range of angles, thus annoying you even more.

Re:No Way! (1, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about 6 months ago | (#47123471)

The odd bit is at the end of TFS where they say that curved TVs are a gimmick like 3D TVs.

Yeah, more accurate to say "3d is a gimmick like color TVs" The author reduces their credibility by dismissing 3D. He would have done better dismissing curved TVs as a gimmick like 4K is.

Re:No Way! (4, Funny)

Bengie (1121981) | about 6 months ago | (#47123527)

You just don't appreciate 4k because you don't watch TV up close with a magnifying lens.

Re:No Way! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123589)

3D is a gimmick. It's always been a gimmick. Always will be a gimmick.

Re:No Way! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123765)

TV is a gimmick. It's always been a gimmick. Always will be a gimmick.

Re:No Way! (2)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 6 months ago | (#47124067)

It's a reasonably popular gimmick. The local theater is showing four films in 3D-- X-Men, Spiderman 2, Godzilla and Maleficent, as well as seven 2D only titles . A few months down the road, if you want to replicate the experience of seeing any of those four films at home, a 3D TV would be useful.

Re:No Way! (4, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#47123711)

I wouldn't say that. Like 3D, nobody is really going to get any value for their money out of a curved TV. Like 3D, it's a desperate grasping for some way to get people to buy a new TV before the old one dies.

Color TV actually upgraded the viewing experience significantly for a lot of people.

Since 3d has come and gone as a fad multiple times, gimmick is a pretty good word for it.

Re:No Way! (2)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | about 6 months ago | (#47123813)

4k is sure a gimmick.

UHDTV is coming, and these current 4k TVs will not be compatible. For a start, the resolution will be UHDTV1 2160p (just under 4k) and UHDTV2 4320p (that's almost 8k!), rec.2020, 100fps and 120fps, plus much more. Plus DRM issues.

Testing in the UK for UHDTV1 is 2016, 2020 for UHDTV2 which the Olympic Games in Japan will be shot at.

Re:No Way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123985)

Uhh, 4k and 2160p UHDTV are the same thing. The whole reason why they went with 4k instead of 2160p for the name is because 4k is shorter, easier to say and looks like it is bigger than 2160p.

Re:No Way! (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about 6 months ago | (#47123851)

Have you seen a 4K screen displaying legit 4K content? They're amazing. I missed this past CES, but I saw a bunch of them at the 2013 show. Sharp was showing off an 8K screen and it was absolutely jaw dropping.

Re:No Way! (2)

OakDragon (885217) | about 6 months ago | (#47123517)

Right - the 3D isn't a "gimmick" as is commonly understood by the term. I don't like 3D TV, but it's not a fair comparison.

Now, fad maybe...

Re:No Way! (2, Informative)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 6 months ago | (#47123567)

I call it a gimmick, it's not 3D since I can't move with perspective changes. A hologram would be 3D. Pretending you're looking at a 3D image isn't 3D.

Sadly I seem to be in the minority in that opinion.

Indeed (1)

goldcd (587052) | about 6 months ago | (#47123803)

*Pendant-face*
All we have now is stereoscopic TV.

What's going to be nice, is when we can eye-track and overlay this on the source to shift focus (like what we do when we use our eyes normally). Probably not too hard to bolt onto games, but suspect it'll be a while until devices like the Lytro are providing video.

Re:No Way! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123887)

3D TVs actually enhance the experience where curved TVs do not. Thus it's not a gimmick. Hate it all you want but it actually does something that the flat and curved TV does not offer. So go suck another dick you fucking retarded faggot.

Re:No Way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123799)

As somebody with visual impairment, moving the pixels closer to my eyes may actually make a big deal of difference. On the other hand, I'm in the large minority of people who have never got a 3D effect from a TV or movie to work, probably due to the same problems.

So, in my case, 3D is the gimmick, and (while I haven't seen one yet) a curved screen may actually provide a visible benefit.

Re:No Way! (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 6 months ago | (#47123455)

Curved TV's aren't better? I can't believe it!

Maybe that's because you already bought one?

Re:No Way! (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | about 6 months ago | (#47123505)

Well, primary reason is to increase viewing angles.

Meanwhile, I went to an EBU standards meeting on UHDTV. Curved screens came up, some want it to be the norm, asking if none straight lines should be used instead of straight ones on transmission so lines appear straight on curved screens.

Re:No Way! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123559)

clearly a skewed point of view.

Re:No Way! (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about 6 months ago | (#47123715)

Circumspect would be more like it...

Re:No Way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123653)

Surprise, surprise!

Re:No Way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123811)

But... but... but... It'z teh SamSung!!!!onehundredeleven!!!!!

Who watches TV anymore (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123259)

Who watches TV anymore, let alone with friends, that is just some cruel torture

Re:Who watches TV anymore (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about 6 months ago | (#47123569)

So you don't watch any movies or shows of any kind? 30 years ago "TV" meant "broadcast TV", now TV means "content played over a TV" which includes how many people watch streaming, DVDs, console games, media players, and a variety of other things. I'm unclear whether you watch nothing on an HDMI monitor, or are just using an obsolete definition of "TV".

Re:Who watches TV anymore (2)

David_Hart (1184661) | about 6 months ago | (#47123575)

Who watches TV anymore, let alone with friends, that is just some cruel torture

Says someone who isn't a hockey, or sports, fan with the Stanley Cup playoffs in progress...

This past weekend my Brother-in-law, nephews, and myself watched a bad Canadian Zombie movie. We were having a ton of fun making up our own Riff track. Granted, it's not exactly "watching TV" when you are actively participating.

I agree with you that watching TV tends to be a solitary experience unless it is a special sporting or broadcast event.

That being said, a majority of the population still watch TV. I know that a good percentage of people on Slashdot have cut the cord, but people who have done so are still the outliers.

Join a local sport club (0)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#47123741)

The common retort is "Why spend hundreds of dollars a year for cable to sit and watch sports when you can join a club and play sports?"

Re:Who watches TV anymore (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47124071)

I know that a good percentage of people on Slashdot have cut the cord,

It's more like a good percentage of people SAY they've cut the cord (so they can sound all l33t and "TV doesn't match my unsurpassed intellect" [theonion.com] ), but most of them haven't.

Patent fishing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123287)

They are hoping it the tech catches on, then it would force competitors to pay them royalties.

Cinema-like (5, Funny)

rujasu (3450319) | about 6 months ago | (#47123311)

Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience by offering a more balanced and uniform view so that the edges of the set don't appear further away than the middle...

Reality: the curved TVs provide a cinema-like experience by charging roughly four times what a reasonable person would pay.

Re:Cinema-like (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123375)

And if people really want that cinema experience I'd be happy to accept even a minor fee of $500 to come in and talk loudly during the movie, make noises with my phone and spill coke on their couch.

Re:Cinema-like (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123391)

Sounds familiar. Companies saying that the user experience is better when it really isn't and that you should buy it because of that?

It worked for one company, why not others?

Re:Cinema-like (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123609)

Because that company delivers while the failure don't.

Re:Cinema-like (1)

suso (153703) | about 6 months ago | (#47123501)

Reality: the curved TVs provide a cinema-like experience by charging roughly four times what a reasonable person would pay.

A real cinema TV would also come with background noise of others talking on phones, silhouettes of people's heads in front you and makes your floor sticky from years of dumped soda.

Re:Cinema-like (2)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 6 months ago | (#47123579)

you don't have kids obviously ;-)

Re:Cinema-like (3, Funny)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 6 months ago | (#47123633)

makes your floor sticky from years of dumped soda.

At least, you hope that's soda.....

Re:Cinema-like (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123723)

Reality: the curved TVs provide a cinema-like experience by charging roughly four times what a reasonable person would pay.

A real cinema TV would also come with background noise of others talking on phones, silhouettes of people's heads in front you and makes your floor sticky from years of dumped soda.

You forgot about all those annoying chairs that fold up whenever you stand up or adjust your sitting posture on them...

Re:Cinema-like (1)

Minwee (522556) | about 6 months ago | (#47123547)

You also have to buy drinks and snacks directly from Samsung, and they also cost four times what they would from anybody else.

Re:Cinema-like (1)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about 6 months ago | (#47123605)

Only four times? What kind of discount cinemas are you going to and where can I find them? At the nearest theater, it's $6 for a slushy that is $0.79 at my local convenience store.

Re:Cinema-like (3, Interesting)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 6 months ago | (#47123617)

Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience

Then why are the screens in a real-life cinema flat?

The answer, of course is that the camera (either film or digital) uses a flat sensor. Taking a picture with a flat sensor, and then displaying it on a curved screen, is just distorting the image. So the consumer thinks they're cool - but in reality they are watching an inferior picture.

Why not 90 degree angle TVs? (5, Funny)

ottawanker (597020) | about 6 months ago | (#47123313)

That way they'd fit into the corner.

Tapered Greek Columns (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123339)

Tapered Greek Columns (entasis): Also pseudoscience.

We know. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123343)

Preaching to the choir.

Re:We know. (1)

freeze128 (544774) | about 6 months ago | (#47123381)

Is this article supposed to inform the Slashdot readership that curved TVs are gimmicks, or is it intended to inform the TV manufacturers that everyone else now knows that curved TVs are gimmicks?

Almost... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123349)

Curved screens are a gimmick, much along the same lines as 3D TVs are.

Ok, I was right there with you until the end. You see, I agree - curved TVs are entirely a gimmick intended to appeal to people who want the latest and greatest. 3D TVs, however? Ok, yes, there was an aspect of "what can we offer people that will help drive re-investment and get them to buy a new TV again?" but, let's be real, 3D TVs actually do offer something new and different.

3D.

Curved TVs don't offer anything different and to imply that they are better picture quality than a flat TV because there's no distortion is pure snake oil salesmanship. But 3D TVs actually do offer 3D which non-3D TVs cannot offer.

Now, most people didn't feel it was worth the high price tag nor did they need a new TV since they'd just bought a new one a couple years ago, but let's not compare 3D TVs, which offer something, to curved TVs, which offer nothing what so ever.

Re:Almost... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123639)

3d is neither new or different. Stereoscopic 3d is old as fuck.

The Real Motivation Behind Curved TVs (5, Insightful)

organgtool (966989) | about 6 months ago | (#47123355)

Samsung and LG want curved TVs to become all the rage because the only way to currently make them are using OLEDs and they own many of the patents for OLED screens. With that said, the Samsung OLED television got a glowing review from Consumer Reports - basically the only downside to the TV was the cost which is sure to come down in the future.

Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 6 months ago | (#47123361)

Don't get me wrong, I think they're a gimmick too...

But why do movie theaters do it then?

Isn't the *near* edge of the screen distorted for off-center viewers, and the far edge of the screen closer to perfect?

Again, I think it's largely a gimmick, and wouldn't use it as a sole or major purchasing decision. For two otherwise equivalent (including price or at least a VERY small discrepancy) TVs, I might choose the curved one. Then again, I would be sitting in the sweet spot.

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (5, Informative)

myoparo (933550) | about 6 months ago | (#47123413)

Per the internets, the curving is done in movie theatres to help avoid the pincushion effect from the projector. Since we are talking about TVs and not projectors, the pincushion effect is irrelevant.

Curved television displays aren't "largely" a gimmick-- they're just a gimmick.

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123577)

If you calculate the optimal shape for a TV, I doubt you'll get something exactly flat. So curved TVs aren't completely a gimmick unless you can prove that flat is optimal.

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 6 months ago | (#47124045)

If curved surfaces were optimal for viewing content, we would have transitioned to curved paintings and photos centuries or decades ago. But, it turns out, we're replicating a 3D space on a 2D surface. Whether than 2D is flat or curved makes little practical difference to the observer, but makes the manufacture and mounting of said piece a great deal less efficient,

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (1)

DutchUncle (826473) | about 6 months ago | (#47123433)

Proportionally less curve in a movie screen as compared to the size of the room and the viewing angles. And yes, the screen is distorted for viewers seated towards the sides - but again. due to the lower proportional curvature, more of the screen remains clear (and the "sweet spot" in the center is wider).

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (1)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 6 months ago | (#47123443)

I think the curve in movie screens mostly is to match the focal "plane" of the projector lens.

The curved TVs look too curved to me. If they only had a slight bit of a curve, it might be interesting.

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 6 months ago | (#47123453)

That's funny, I haven't seen any in person, but I thought they aren't curved *enough* from the pictures/reviews I've seen.

I mean, in theory, don't you essentially want a spherical screen completely surrounding you in the center?

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (2)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 6 months ago | (#47123623)

I mean, in theory, don't you essentially want a spherical screen completely surrounding you in the center?

I suppose in some respects that would be an immersive viewing experience.... but only for one person, and only if the content were filmed for that perspective.

Re:Mostly but not _totally_ gimmick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123727)

The summary says "they offer a degraded view to anyone sitting off center" and the immediately follows up with "Samsung and LG claim [...] the set don't appear further away than the middle. Paul Gray, director of European TV Research for DisplaySearch, said those claims are nothing by pseudo-science"

Well what is it. Either these statements are both pseudo-science, or both true.

PROGRESS! (5, Funny)

WoodenTable (1434059) | about 6 months ago | (#47123405)

From convex, to flat, to concave TVs, all in the last 50 years! Progress is a sweet thing, my friends.

You know what? I predict that, by 2050, we will all be using donut-shaped screens, to better utilize our ear-vision for maximum possible immersion.

Re:PROGRESS! (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 6 months ago | (#47123463)

That's what Ray Bradbury said.

PROGRESS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123787)

What, you mean like Circlevision? Disney's been there, done that, tore it down all ready. Next!

Marketing idiocy (2)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#47123429)

First, I sit about 9 feet from the TV, not 16.5, so the curvature will be wrong anyway. Second, the price difference is already more than I am willing to pay for the whole TV.

As TFA points out, only one person in the room would get an optimal view anyway.

Finally, if the whole problem is just a bit of geometric distortion, couldn't it be mostly fixed by performing the opposite transform on the image before displaying? That would allow you to optimize for your actual viewing position and come up with a happy average for everyone in the room, or turn it off.

I'm guessing they'll avoid my suggestion like the plague since it doesn't make the TV look expensive enough.

Have you seen the TVs from Hammerfell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123479)

They have curved screens. Curved. Screens.

Curved screens in theaters? (1)

antdude (79039) | about 6 months ago | (#47123485)

What about the curved screens in movie theaters like Archlight Cinema's in Hollywood? I didn't like how some parts get cropped off when I saw a few movies there.

not enough innovation (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 6 months ago | (#47123507)

The solution is simple: more innovation!

All they have to do is make a 'smart' 4K glasses-free 3D curved tv, and everybody wins!

Re:not enough innovation (2)

k6mfw (1182893) | about 6 months ago | (#47123725)

I rather they put innovation into compelling stories and documentaries for stuff to be shown on TVs. With good programs I could care less what kind of TV I'm looking at.

Farther (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123523)

It's farther, Timothy. You stupid little fag man.

4K glasses free 3D (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123535)

Over on the AVS forums, someone got their hands on a prototype 4K based glasses free 3D TV. He is testing it for a company in the city he lives. He states that glass free 3D on this 4K set he has is amazing. It works well and thinks that once it is past the prototype phase that it could make 3D more accepted.

From the readings I made there it sounds like the move to 8K glasses free 3D would bring 3D to the masses. When that happens, I think 3D will become mainstream.

Point being, analysts are idiots that can only tell you about the past. Not much of a shock there. But I agree, curved TVs provide no rational basis.

For a computer Monitor (2)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 6 months ago | (#47123571)

This is actually a good idea for a computer monitor for one person. Any reasonable two monitor setup is going to be at some angle instead of completely flat anyway, it seems to me that a monitor with a large curve that you sit 1-3 feet from would be a pretty sweet idea (in particular make it so that you can fit multiple together). You might even be able to make a monitor that is adjustable (the screen is made of gel).

Also I bet it is pretty much just as easy to built a curved one as a flat one, so there is no reason to expect a big price increase.

Re:For a computer Monitor (1)

Shados (741919) | about 6 months ago | (#47123599)

There's a few "3-monitor-in-one" curved monitors around (I don't know if they're actually sold and too lazy to check, but Alienware showed a prototype years ago). It looked pretty freagin cool in games.

Only Relevant to Projection (4, Informative)

jIyajbe (662197) | about 6 months ago | (#47123581)

In a movie theater, which uses projection, the curved screen is to alleviate the pincushion effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pincushion_distortion [wikipedia.org] ) created by the anamorphic lens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_lens [wikipedia.org] ) that the theater uses. This is utterly irrelevant to the image created by a monitor TV.

In short, yes; pure marketing BS.

Circle Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123587)

If you take enough TV's and put them together, you get a seamless 360 degree view.

Is there any potential there?

Good idea, wrong market. (3, Interesting)

pla (258480) | about 6 months ago | (#47123627)

A few months ago I started using a 4k panel as my primary monitor. Wonderful, I absolutely love it, with one* slight annoyance - At a distance of 2ish feet (rather than TV-viewing distances of 10+ feet), the edges have enough of an angle that the foreshortening becomes distractingly noticeable.

If we could get a decently priced panel (c'mon, Big Names, Seiki has proven you can do it, quit trying to get $2500 for the same thing they list for $499!) with a slight curve to it, it would significantly improve the experience when used as a monitor. For TV, maybe not so much; but monitors, yes.

* Well, no, the biggest problem comes from the fact that in 2014, Windows still can't sanely handle displays over 96dpi. But I can't blame the display itself for that.

Wrong idea (4, Insightful)

StripedCow (776465) | about 6 months ago | (#47123665)

We don't want curved, we don't want 3d.
We want High Dynamic Range (!)

Looking at a TV is still nowhere near looking out of the window.

Re:Wrong idea (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | about 6 months ago | (#47123769)

Sounds interesting, but I feel like my eyes might crust over from the blinding light.

Re:Wrong idea (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 6 months ago | (#47124021)

We want High Dynamic Range (!)

Also wider colour gamuts, please.

"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (5, Informative)

harvestsun (2948641) | about 6 months ago | (#47123667)

Cinema screens are curved because cinema projectors use an anamorphic lens, and the curved screen is necessary to cancel that distortion out.

TV screens are not being projected on with an anamorphic lens. There is equal spacing between each pixel on a TV. So making a TV screen curved simply ADDS the distortion that curved cinema screens are designed to prevent.

This is the worst part though:

The slight curvature also reduces visual geometric distortion. When you watch a perfectly flat TV screen, Soneira explained, the corners of the screen are farther away than the center so they appear smaller. "As a result, the eye doesn't see the screen as a perfect rectangle - it actually sees dual elongated trapezoids, which is keystone geometric distortion," Soneira wrote.

WHAT? The screen is a rectangle, so our eye sees it as a rectangle, just as it would any other rectangular object! The visual cortex of our brain makes sure of that. How can someone who works with TVs not understand basic concepts of human vision?

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

harvestsun (2948641) | about 6 months ago | (#47123689)

And I have no idea where he gets "dual elongated trapezoids". I assume he's TRYING to describe what a rectangle would look like in a fisheye lens (which, again, is not how humans see things), but that shape would have curved edges. "dual trapezoids" is a very poor (and irrelevant) approximation.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

pla (258480) | about 6 months ago | (#47123883)

I assume he's TRYING to describe what a rectangle would look like in a fisheye lens

He meant to describe angular foreshortening, which really does count as a problem when using a large (over 30ish inches) screen as a monitor, two feet away from it. Yes, our brains can "correct" the image and overall, it still looks like a rectangle; but at the same time, any content shown on the far sides of the panel look noticeably squished.

When using it as a TV from 10+ feet away, however, it makes very little difference whether you correct for angle or not.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 6 months ago | (#47123775)

You're in the wrong here. Form your eyes perspective it is NOT a rectangle. The center is farther away.
When you look at a strait road that goes to the horizon, do you ACTUALLY think the road gets smaller, or do you think it's how the eyes perceive it?

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47123931)

The question is not whether we think the road gets smaller, but whether the straight road appears straight. It turns out that straight looks straight and therefore rectangles stay rectangles if seen perpendicular to their center.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

harvestsun (2948641) | about 6 months ago | (#47123945)

A road approaching the horizon is further away in the Z direction. A rectangular screen, seen from a direction perpendicular to its surface, is not. You may want to google "perspective projection". (Although of course our eyes are not a normal perspective projection, since our retinas are curved, and the image is flipped. Good thing we have that "visual cortex" thing I mentioned!)

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (2)

taustin (171655) | about 6 months ago | (#47123833)

They eyes don't see it as a rectangle. But we don't with our eyes, we see with our brains.

In a theater, the screen covers a much larger percentage of your field of vision, and the difference in distance to the center vs the edges can easily be several feet if the screen is flat. This is enough to be noticeable. In the living room, the difference will be millimeters, and you'd need a ruler to detect it.

As has been noted, this is snake oil intended to generate patent revenue.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

harvestsun (2948641) | about 6 months ago | (#47123975)

Yes, our eyes don't really "see" *anything*, our brain does. I should have been more literal I suppose.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47124043)

If anything, the screen should be curved the other way to simulate what happens in a cinema. Plus, they could then say how it increases off-center visibility.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 6 months ago | (#47124053)

In a theater, the screen covers a much larger percentage of your field of vision

I'm guessing you haven't seen the size of the TVs all the "cool" people are watching now.

Re:"Cinema like" is the biggest joke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47124023)

How can someone who works with TVs not understand basic concepts of human vision?

He's trying to sell a product. I don't think I've ever met someone in sales who understood their own product. Willful ignorance is useful in sales.

How about a monitor (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 6 months ago | (#47123673)

Curved TV? Couldn't care less. But I wouldn't mind one of those ultrawide screen curved monitors. Now if they would only make the price practical. At $6000 plus, nobody but rich PC gamers will be buying them.

shucks (1)

k6mfw (1182893) | about 6 months ago | (#47123705)

for a moment there I thought they was bringing back the CRT!

Curved Computer Screens (1)

wile_e8 (958263) | about 6 months ago | (#47123745)

The slight curvature also reduces visual geometric distortion. When you watch a perfectly flat TV screen, Soneira explained, the corners of the screen are farther away than the center so they appear smaller.

I have a 30" computer monitor at work, and while I like it better than my old dual-screen setup, I've noticed this issue with windows placed close to the edges. I wonder if there are curved computer monitors in the works, or if this is just for huge TVs. The main problem mentioned with curved TVs (distorted view for anyone off-center) would rarely be a problem with a screen that usually only has one viewer, and it would fix the edge distortion problem.

Curved TV's reduce breakage in shipping and (1)

mark_reh (2015546) | about 6 months ago | (#47123749)

handling. That's a big deal as screens get bigger. A curved surface is stiffer/stronger than a flat surface of the same area. That's one reason why all the sheet metal in cars is curved.

The marketing dept was charged with the task of selling the curve to the public so they came up with the BS about more realistic images.

+1 MOD UP PARENT (1)

carou (88501) | about 6 months ago | (#47124033)

Curved TV's reduce breakage in shipping and handling. That's a big deal as screens get bigger. A curved surface is stiffer/stronger than a flat surface of the same area. That's one reason why all the sheet metal in cars is curved.

The marketing dept was charged with the task of selling the curve to the public so they came up with the BS about more realistic images.

I don't know if statistics bear that idea out, but mechanically it's very plausible. This is worthy of comment.

Really? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 6 months ago | (#47123763)

Samsung and LG claim that the curve provides a cinema-like experience by offering a more balanced and uniform view so that the edges of the set don't appear further away than the middle.

I wasn't aware movie theater screens were curved.

Re:Really? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 6 months ago | (#47124051)

Well, now you are.

Screen evolution. (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 6 months ago | (#47123793)

I lived long to witness television screens transform from convex tubes to flat screens and now to concave OLED.

Re:Screen evolution. (1)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 6 months ago | (#47124013)

Spherical TV.... the next big thing.

Who needs a new TV? (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 6 months ago | (#47123831)

Since I got my tube black and white, I've needed nothing else! (Except for some foil on the rabbit ears.)

Color? Yuck.. HD? Are you serious? this is TV it's supposed to be fuzzy...

I laugh at you young whipper snappers with your new fangled LCD wide screens....

Now.... GET OFF MY LAWN!

But a curved tablet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47124003)

Yeah, curved TVs are a gimmick.

But a curved tablet that I could wear on my forearm - that would be awesome! I could have it with me 24x7 and never need to worry about losing it or leaving it behind. Granted, I'd look like Leela. But, hmm, the possibilities....

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