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Microsoft Wants You To Trade Your MacBook Air In For a Surface Pro 3

samzenpus posted about 4 months ago | from the try-ours-instead dept.

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mpicpp writes with news about a new Microsoft trade-in program to encourage sales of the new Surface Pro 3. Microsoft is offering a limited time Surface Pro 3 promotion via which users can get up to $650 in store credit for trading in certain Apple MacBook Air models. The new promotion, running June 20 to July 31, 2014 -- "or while supplies last" -- requires users to bring MacBook Airs into select Microsoft retail stores in the U.S., Puerto Rico and Canada. (The trade-in isn't valid online.)...To get the maximum ($650) value, users have to apply the store credit toward the purchase of a Surface Pro 3, the most recent model of the company's Intel-based Surface tablets.

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Trade crap for crap (-1, Troll)

fox171171 (1425329) | about 4 months ago | (#47300817)

So first Apple thinks its target customers are dumb enough to buy someone else's product by mistake, now MS too?

Re:Trade crap for crap (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300835)

Er really?

Maybe visit a sysadmin or software dev conference. Macbook Air's are pretty common and for a good reason.

Calm your nerd rage down a bit.

Re:Trade crap for crap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300915)

That's an impressive leap in logic there. You must be practicing.

reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate (4, Insightful)

globaljustin (574257) | about 4 months ago | (#47301033)

Microsoft is desperate.

How can you tell?

Let's reverse this...can you imagine if Apple gave a similar $$ discount on Macbook Air & iPads in trade for a Microsoft Surface?

bummed out x-mas gift recipients would line up around the corner!

Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate (4, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 4 months ago | (#47301127)

Microsoft is desperate. How can you tell?

I think the explanation is obvious: Microsoft employees want those nice shiny MBAs, but because they don't have the money anymore, they want to barter for them with those SPs lying in their warehouses. ;-)

Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate (4, Interesting)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 4 months ago | (#47301403)

Last time I was in their neighborhood, MS employees were hauling MBPs around as their primary laptops. I never understood how they could get away with that, but "research" was in their job title...

Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47301377)

Actually, it would be an AWESOME PR stunt by Apple if they just went ahead and did that.

I dare say that it would be one of the bigger PR blunders for MS in the past decade.

Not likely. (5, Informative)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 4 months ago | (#47300819)

The MBA and MBP are both fine machines. My wife get's a computer that works most of the time. I get a computer with a bash shell on which I can do my thing. Neither have shown any tendency to falls apart, unlike every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba and HP we've had.

Re:Not likely. (3, Insightful)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 4 months ago | (#47300939)

The MBA and MBP are both fine machines. My wife get's a computer that works most of the time. I get a computer with a bash shell on which I can do my thing. Neither have shown any tendency to falls apart, unlike every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba and HP we've had.

Absolutely, And you have to give up the smooth and functional OSX interface for the freaked out Metro disaster, and the unintuitive controls.

Re:Not likely. (-1, Troll)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 4 months ago | (#47301219)

If you think the controls on Metro are unintuitive, you're a certified idiot. It took me no longer to learn all of the swipe gestures and charm bar actions than it took to learn the iOS gestures. Win8 is easier than iOS for anyone with even half a brain. iOS seems determined to add gestures to every version and then completely ignore any information on how to use them. Half the functions seem to be "discovered" by autistic hipsters living on daddy's monthly trust fund check.

Re:Not likely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301287)

The old folder system was hierarchical. That made sense. Things were organized into categories. It wasn't perfect, but once you associated the right categories everything could be found.

The metro system is no hierarchical. Want to format a disk? Good luck. Need to access an application? Enjoy clicking around your field of panels.

Honestly, I think you're a troll. Only a brand new user would think the metro inteface were better, and that's only because at the most shallow end of the kiddie pool, it is.

Re:Not likely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301357)

It's a touch interface that requires that you use a keyboard for things like search. That's like having an automatic transmission that still requires you to use the clutch.

Re:Not likely. (2, Informative)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 4 months ago | (#47301417)

The Macbooks run MacOS, not IOS.

Re:Not likely. (4, Interesting)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 4 months ago | (#47301421)

So the magic mouse swipe gestures aren't obvious to people used to regular mice, I was very resistant, but I now love and miss them.

But I otherwise agree, I don't find anything about OSX to be "intuitive" to people used to using windows or linux. OSX is a fine windowing system, but it's a little rough around the hedges when it comes to usability for the portion of the world that simply cannot become Apple converts.

Hardware wise though, I have not found anything that comes close to an MBP. Windows or OSX, it beats the unholy snot out of its competition.

Re: Not likely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301527)

Plus, I don't think I can use docker containers on windows, but I can on my mb air.

Not sure if I can run anything I use daily on windows.

Not likely. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301019)

If "every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba, and HP" simply fell apart, it would probably be nationwide news.

But it's not, because you're a liar.

Not likely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301145)

Learn to read Mr.Keyboard Commando, or did you purposefully snip the "we've had" of the end of his sentence for the sake of an arguement ?
Can you prove than none of HIS laptops haven't fallen apart as he claimed?

I see you "liar" insult, and raise you a "dumb twat"

Re:Not likely. (5, Informative)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | about 4 months ago | (#47301163)

What he means, I think, is that most computer companies make "consumer grade" machines and "commercial grade" machines. I've not has an Asus or Lenovo, but I've had Toshiba, HP, and Dell. With respect to Dell, I've had both consumer and commercial grade machines, built to higher specifications. Most recently I purchased a Dell Latitude 5000 series laptop--in Dell's explanation of this computer in comparison to the 7000 series, it gave the 5000 series a build quality of 3 out of 4 stars, it gave the 3000 series 2 out of 4 stars (still Latitude--which implies the consumer grade stuff is 1 out of 4 stars for build quality). The consumer grade machines seem to be designed to last about 2 years or less. The commercial grade machines are designed to last more like 4 years.

The problem is, you have to pay a premium for the commercial grade machines.

With Apple, there is no "consumer grade" and "commercial grade"--they're all made to high specifications.

Re: Not likely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301175)

Way to take it out of context. Read the part where he says "we've had." Reading comprehension - FAILED.

Re:Not likely. (0, Troll)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 4 months ago | (#47301503)

If "every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba, and HP" simply fell apart, it would probably be nationwide news.

But it's not, because you're a liar.

Do you enjoy telling untruths that you can't possibly be sure about? You are of course wrong.

1) Asus: My daughter's chomebook. The power connector failed after 6 months.
2) Lenovo: One with the screen you can turn around. The keyboard failed. Half the keys don't work. The battery became unusable over the same time frame.
3) Toshiba: Generic laptop. It did literally fall apart. Things - panel covers, hole covers, keyboard buttons just gave up and fell off.
4) HP: A work laptop. Battery connection became unreliable, causing the machine to power off randomly.

5) Mac book air. Still working fine.
6) Mac book pro. Still working fine.

Re: Not likely. (3, Interesting)

Redbehrend (3654433) | about 4 months ago | (#47301143)

My Asus machines have out lasted my ownership and the second owners are still using them.... Since when does everything fall apart because it's not apple? Lol Next time look at the Apple desks at the Apple store and realize that most of those people are receiving support or repairs. It's like that with every company... IMO Metro isn't horrible on a touch screen, I like the live tiles...

My Dell (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 4 months ago | (#47301295)

Inspirion 1720 is going strong after 7 years of non stop usage and it runs flawlessly with Linux Mint 14/Mate. Only thing I replaced was to put in a SSD and I spilt a full glass of beer on the KB which eventually need to be replaced. So does that make Dell's as good as your Mac's?

Great deal! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300821)

Trade in a real computer for a POS tablet no one wants...

Re:Great deal! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300833)

Derp. Surface Pros can do things that no other tablet can. Your jealousy is showing.

Re:Great deal! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300927)

the MacBook Air isn't a tablet though. It runs the full version of OS X (and Win 8, or whatever else you want to install for that matter).

Re:Great deal! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300987)

the MacBook Air isn't a tablet though. It runs the full version of OS X (and Win 8, or whatever else you want to install for that matter).

And the Surface Pro 3 isn't just a tablet either. It comes with full Windows 8.1, not the RT version, so you can run whatever desktop apps you like.

Re:Great deal! (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 months ago | (#47301051)

It's an expensive piece of hardware whose performance doesn't justify the cost and whose size makes it a terrible fucking tablet. I could buy a Nexus 7 and a tolerable decent notebook for less than a Surface 3 and have the best of both worlds.

Re:Great deal! (4, Interesting)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 4 months ago | (#47301425)

Hold up: you're missing an important distinction.

The MacBook Air isn't just a laptop. It is a laptop. That's all it is, and it's a darn good laptop. It does laptop things really well.

By not just being a tablet, the Surface has failed to be good at being anything at all. If you pit it against laptops, it's under-specced for the price. For that sort of money, you can do a lot better elsewhere. And if you pit it against tablets, it's lacking apps and overpriced. It's in a weird space between the two that no one is interested in. I commend them for trying something different than everyone else and trying to carve out a unique niche (really, I do!), but I don't see how this particular execution of their strategy can be painted as anything other than an extended failure that has yet to turn the corner. I honestly hope it will, but it has yet to do so.

Re:Great deal! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300957)

Derp. Surface Pros can do things that no other tablet can. Your jealousy is showing.

M$ has been trying to marketing tablets longer than apple has; nobody except M$ fanboyz wanted them back in the WinCE days; and nobody except the fanboyz want them now.

Re:Great deal! (4, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 4 months ago | (#47301341)

Surface Pros can do things that no other tablet can. Your jealousy is showing.

That's nice and all, but your lack of useful and relevant examples is rather glaring.

I don't think anyone here is denying that the Surface line is trying to do something that's quite a bit different from what other tablets are doing. They're definitely targeting a different set of use cases than what the iPad, Fire, or Galaxy Tab lines are hitting, and I have no doubt that the Surface Pro can do stuff no other tablet can. But the important question isn't, "Does it do stuff no one else can?" The important question to ask is, "Are the things it can do of interest to people and executed well?" And based on sales numbers, professional reviews, and numerous firsthand accounts both here and elsewhere, the answer is a resounding, "No".

Really, when you get down to it, the Surface line is simply a fresh iteration of the same strategy Microsoft has been employing in the tablet space since the early 2000s: put Windows everywhere so that users can have the power of a "PC" in their hand. The only thing that's changed is the execution, and you don't need to look long and hard at Windows 8 reviews to know that they botched that as well. The strategy may actually work for them if it is executed properly, but the fact that the market stayed nascent for ten years until a competitor introduced a device employing an alternative strategy indicates that they didn't get it right then, and the fact that the Surface line hasn't seen any real uptake should be good indications that either the strategy is a losing one or else that they have yet to execute properly on it.

TL;DR: Just because a device can do stuff other devices can't doesn't mean it's a good idea. We don't want compact cars with truck beds, wedding cakes from Burger King, or tight-fitting exercise shorts made of designer denim. In trying to be both a tablet and laptop, the Surface ended up being good at neither.

Re:Great deal! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47301405)

That is actually true. All the other tablets are too lighweight to kill a cat when you throw them at the feline.

Correction (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | about 4 months ago | (#47300851)

Trade in a real computer for "store credit" towards an overpriced model of a POS tablet no one wants...

224 miles round trip (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#47300873)

Trade in a real computer for a POS tablet no one wants...

...and drive hundreds of miles to do so.

If Microsoft wants any uptake on promotions like this, Microsoft needs to get more aggressive about opening retail stores. The closest Microsoft Store is 112 miles away from where I live according to Bing Maps. But then Apple isn't a lot better, with a 90 mile drive to its nearest corporate retail store (as opposed to a local franchised dealer in town).

Re:224 miles round trip (1)

hurfy (735314) | about 4 months ago | (#47300985)

lol, looks like that is one way for me. Good luck with that one MS.

Re:224 miles round trip (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 months ago | (#47301007)

If Microsoft wants any uptake on these promotions it needs to find religion and begin praying for a miracle, because the group of people you can almost guarantee are the least likely to switch to Microsoft products are Apple owners.

Re:224 miles round trip (1)

SJester (1676058) | about 4 months ago | (#47301293)

MS has become more aggressive with opening stores. They're opening one in NY later this month, not sure why it took so long.

Re:Great deal! (2, Interesting)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 4 months ago | (#47300959)

It's more brilliant than you think—now the Microsoft employees who came up with this idea can get MacBooks without getting their boss's signature! In theory, anyway.

Re:Great deal! (4, Funny)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 4 months ago | (#47301053)

Wow, it seems even Microsoft would rather have Apple's product than their own.

And I want a unicorn that farts butterflies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300839)

Not likely...

Re:And I want a unicorn that farts butterflies! (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47300861)

How about a taco that craps ice cream?

Re:And I want a unicorn that farts butterflies! (1)

Krojack (575051) | about 4 months ago | (#47300961)

MMmMMm... dinner and dessert.

Re:And I want a unicorn that farts butterflies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301245)

You mean Mexican fried ice cream?

MicroCrap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300853)

That trade in is simple enough - Do Not Want. Not even free.

Can I buy a traded-in Air? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300855)

I will take one of those used Airs off their hands.

Re:Can I buy a traded-in Air? (2)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 4 months ago | (#47300943)

I will take one of those used Airs off their hands.

Well, that means there will be one left.

Re:Can I buy a traded-in Air? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301369)

Wouldn't it have Windows on it?

"up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300857)

In 'good' condition... they're worth more than that on Craigslist...

Re:"up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? (5, Interesting)

guruevi (827432) | about 4 months ago | (#47300917)

The funny thing is, MBA's even early models are still worth a pretty dime second hand (usually 50-80% of purchase price based on condition and age), Surface Pro's won't fetch more than 1/3 of their purchase price.

Re: "up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301011)

That's because people don't understand there's more than one model and if they do they don't understand how to tell them apart or what the benefits of a new model are.

This is telling (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#47300859)

What this tells me is that Microsoft has given up trying to promote the Surface as a tablet. It's a laptop that happens to have a detachable keyboard. Note that they didn't even try to offer a trade-in of ipads for the surface, which would be a more reasonable comparison if the surface was successful as a tablet. The ipad is a different use case, and Microsoft just doesn't play well in that space.

Re:This is telling (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300897)

>It's a laptop that happens to have a detachable keyboard.

Well, duh. Every Windows tablet is a laptop with a detachable keyboard.

Re:This is telling (3, Funny)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 4 months ago | (#47300983)

>It's a laptop that happens to have a detachable keyboard.

Well, duh. Every Windows tablet is a laptop with a detachable keyboard.

Well, duh! Every observation is obvious when you're repeating it with the words "Well, duh!" in front of it. Let's face it, everybody knows that. Aren't you glad you contributed to the thread?

Re:This is telling (5, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 4 months ago | (#47300931)

Microsoft's advertising for the Surface has shown that they don't get what tablets are FOR, from day one.

"And you can get a keyboard for it, and OF COURSE, it runs Microsoft Office"

'Cause THAT'S what people do with tablets...

Re:This is telling (3)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 months ago | (#47301017)

No, the mere fact that Microsoft built the Surface tablets demonstrates they don't have the foggiest idea what tablets are used for.

Re:This is telling (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 4 months ago | (#47301311)

Actually, that's a good point. The specs themselves gives their cluelessness away.

Re:This is telling (1)

vidnet (580068) | about 4 months ago | (#47301321)

"And you can get a keyboard for it, and OF COURSE, it runs Microsoft Office"

'Cause THAT'S what people do with tablets...

It's what they did with the MBAs they're trading in, and it's what people can do with a tablet that isn't just an electronic etch-a-sketch.

It's sad that people are carrying around devices with multicore CPUs, several GB ram and storage, wifi and HD screens, and they still have to say "sorry, I can't -- I didn't bring my computer"

Re:This is telling (2)

Yunzil (181064) | about 4 months ago | (#47301419)

That's OK, I don't know what tablets are for either.

Re:This is telling (2)

hAckz0r (989977) | about 4 months ago | (#47300979)

Microsoft has given up trying to promote the Surface as a ...

... saleable machine. Rather than dumping their excess, in public view of shareholders, they are now even more willing to take a more substantial loss, so long as they can still claim X millions of units sold . Better than tossing them like with the Surface RT. Shareholders will likely complain if they try that one again.

Re:This is telling (4, Interesting)

danomac (1032160) | about 4 months ago | (#47301037)

Yeah, Microsoft is now going for portable business integration. You can manage them with Active Directory - I just added one.

We are looking to go more portable at work but we don't want to have a laptop and a tablet for every user. Picked up one of the new Surface 3 devices and while it looks like it will integrate nicely for our day-to-day use at work, I don't like it enough to have one at home for personal use. It's actually got some well thought out ideas in the device.

Given that an iPad can cost $1k now (256GB storage, same as this Surface Pro 3 I'm testing) It's not too far-fetched in price in my opinion, seeing as you can do more with it and aren't constrained to the App or Play store. Doesn't mean I'd buy one for personal use, though. Once the docks are released I can see potential for it replacing some of our old workstations.

Re:This is telling (1)

v1 (525388) | about 4 months ago | (#47301075)

Note that they didn't even try to offer a trade-in of ipads for the surface, which would be a more reasonable comparison if the surface was successful as a tablet

if they tried to pull THAT, they would have a crapton of people with older ipads trading them in. They'd be buried alive. A lot of iPad2's are out of warranty, and that's about the time schools and others consider an upgrade.

They're MS... they're big, and could take the hit, but it definitely would sting.

The surface though is more of a laptop trying to also be a tablet, than a tablet trying to also be a laptop. (sort of the iPad's territory) So I don't agree that it'd be a trade within the same market. It makes more "sense" to go against the air, but not many are going to bite, because the air isn't trying to be a tablet, that's what the iPad is for. As someone else has said, Macintoshes have an amazing ability to retain their value for resale, and MS isn't offering as much as the machines could get you on craigslist. Trade-ins for the competition's gear are a "try to pull people off the fence onto your side" maneuver, but the problem is it's only going to attract people that have already decided they didn't like their new mac, so it won't really serve its intended purpose.

Looked at another way, they're trying to enter two different markets with one product, and neither is going to do a really good job as a result. The surface isnt' really a tablet, it's more of a laptop that has some of the features of one. They were wise to see they'd lost the straight-up tablet market before they'd started. Targeting the MBA is probably the smartest thing to do right now. (I just don't think this is a very smart approach they're taking)

They could have had a lot more fun with this, and generated an enormous amount of publicity by just taking it all the way. Don't "trade" it in. Bring in a WORKING air to their store, and you get to go into a box and smash it with a sledgehammer. And then collect your discount. That would be money well-spent on marketing, for less than the cost of a few commercial spots.

Re:This is telling (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#47301165)

> and MS isn't offering as much as the machines could get you on craigslist.

I did not know that, not being an Apple user (except for a couple G4s for Adobe products back in the day). Microsoft is so screwed.

> Trade-ins for the competition's gear are a "try to pull people off the fence onto your side" maneuver, but the problem is it's only going to attract people that have already decided they didn't like their new mac, so it won't really serve its intended purpose.

*especially* since, the Apple consumer is not your average consumer. Apple consumers love Apple products because (at least in part) they are Apple products. Microsoft isn't going to deter too many people from that mindset.

Re:This is telling (2)

Xenx (2211586) | about 4 months ago | (#47301105)

The Surface Pro has always been marketed as a laptop replacement, not as just a tablet. This doesn't suddenly change anything.

Re:This is telling (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#47301171)

The Surface Pro has always been marketed as a laptop replacement, not as just a tablet. This doesn't suddenly change anything.

I think that might to a certain extent be rewriting history. How soon we forget, all of those commercials and all that marketing when the Surface first came out.

Re:This is telling (1)

Xenx (2211586) | about 4 months ago | (#47301265)

They've pretty much always pushed the whole detachable keyboard and ability to do real work, for the Surface Pro. That right there shows what the goal of the Surface Pro was. That isn't to say they didn't want to see the Surface RT to take off, but the Pro was pretty much always a flexible laptop replacement

See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (4, Funny)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about 4 months ago | (#47300863)

They'll do anything to pick them up cheaply, even trade some unwanted Surface 3's for some!

Jokes aside (and please don't mod for flamebait, it's sarcasm above, downmod for a bad joke if anything) ...

I don't think will go much. You're assuming that someone values their $1000+ dollar MacBook Air at $650 and values the Surface at something worth the discount. Considering the amount of work you'd have to do to migrate (either Windows to Mac, or Mac to Windows) you have to think about 200-300 realistically for swapping costs. Makes good headlines (as we see here) but won't help much.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (2)

guruevi (827432) | about 4 months ago | (#47300933)

You'll need $200/y for just an Office (Office365) and simple photo/music management suite (Adobe CC), which is included in every purchase of a Mac.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (0)

robbyb20 (651479) | about 4 months ago | (#47301061)

While i agree that Macs do allow you to get their "Office" equivalent bundle for free, I would like to state that nothing that comes with Macs out of the box for photo editing compares to Adobe CC(photoshop and Lightroom). Those are better than any iLife app out there and Apreture is laughable compared to Lightroom and Photoshop is in a whole nother game.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 4 months ago | (#47301079)

You lost me where I somehow need an Adobe CC subscription...

Office 2013, non-cloud is $140-220 depending on version, and I'm pretty sure Office doesn't come with a Mac for free either.

Non-Office office suites are available for free.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 4 months ago | (#47301247)

Wait, Apple's come with a perpetual Office subscription and Adobe's CC application? Damn, that is a good deal. Unless, of course, you mean Apple's free knock-offs of Office and Adobe's photo group, in which case the only advantage is that they're bundled instead of having to download one of the half-dozen free alternatives available for Windows.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (2)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 4 months ago | (#47300975)

Considering the amount of work you'd have to do to migrate (either Windows to Mac, or Mac to Windows) you have to think about 200-300 realistically for swapping costs. Makes good headlines (as we see here) but won't help much.

I suspect they are targeting Mac users who have never seen the Metro interface, or whatever they are calling it these days. W8 got my wife to stop using her computer until I installed Mint on it.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (5, Interesting)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about 4 months ago | (#47301151)

I'm a programmer. I've written GUI code, I've written a device driver that shipped in a commercial UNIX kernel. I've used Windows since 3.1 days (WindowsForWorkgroupsForTheWin!). I've even debugged and configured Windows Vista in Chinese even though I can't read it - I was able to get someone to translate the occasional dialog box.

I can not understand Win8. When my sister asks me to help configure something on her Win8 laptop, I struggle with the UI as if I'm some rookie coming from some stoneage tribe.

I hate hate hate hate Windows 8.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (1)

Radical Moderate (563286) | about 4 months ago | (#47301223)

Ditto. I've used Windows since 3.1, and my wife's Win8 tablet makes me insane. I'm on my second Macbook Air, absolutely love it, no way I'm trading it in.

Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47301537)

Oh good. I am not alone. I've seen some of the most arcane interfaces on this planet, some of them not seen by more than a handful of people altogether, so arcane and mysterious that its name shall not be spoken. GUIs that made you beg for a CLI, for you knew that even if you had to memorize all the commands and had no -? to aid you, it could not possibly take more than a fraction of the time you'd need to get behind the twisted logic of the GUI in front of you. I cursed them, but I mastered them all, in little time.

Metro is a mystery. It simply has no rhyme or reason to it. It fucking makes no sense AT ALL. No matter what you want to do, applying sense and logic is the wrong way to do something. Usually you find your way around by pondering "Now, what would be the LEAST intuitive way to do something?", and usually you shall be rewarded with a solution.

If you offered me the choice "Metro or..." my answer, before you are done with the sentence, is "the other one". Even if you end in "or a stone tablet".

Where do I sign up? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300865)

To get one of the trade in Mac Book Air (s) ??

Bring in your junk, get a tablet (3, Interesting)

iamacat (583406) | about 4 months ago | (#47300871)

I am sure ebay is full of cheap damaged Macbooks which power on and don't have screen cracks or water damage. Buy for less than $650, resell Surface, profit!

Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. (5, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | about 4 months ago | (#47300877)

"While supplies last." That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Re:Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. (1)

rsborg (111459) | about 4 months ago | (#47301027)

"While supplies last." That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

That's not supplies of Surface Pro 3 which is likely infinite for all intents and purposes, but supplies of "goodwill" from the "benevolent corporate ruler" Microsoft. After all, it takes goodwill to buy a competitor's product - even if it is at a significant discount and even if it is only for credits towards purchase of your own product.

Re:Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 months ago | (#47301083)

Look at it this way. Now that they've found the Atari 2600 ET cartridges in a New Mexico landfill, there's plenty of room for all the Surfaces (all variants) that Microsoft can't sell.

It's amusing watching the mighty Redmond Emperor with his clothes off; a whole product line and who knows how much R&D and marketing cash dumped into it, that almost no one actually fucking wants. It's so bad that they can't even get their OEM network to build the fucking things and they have to put them under their own brand name as they try the final futile stunt of acting like they're Apple.

Re:Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. (1)

v1 (525388) | about 4 months ago | (#47301157)

"While supplies last." That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Aren't the Zunes still waving that flag?

HA! (3, Interesting)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about 4 months ago | (#47300881)

Man. What idiot marketing shill came up with that harebrained scheme? Talk about corporate desperation. So we'll trade in a perfectly good MBA for half what it's worth in credit toward a glorified tablet that M$ can't seem to give away [bloomberg.com] ? (yes, I know that's last year's news but no reason to believe anything will change with version 3 IMHO). No thanks. I'm not really a huge fan of the MBA either, but this is ridiculous.

Not even M$ wants the Surface Pro 3! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47300901)

If all I had were a bunch of crappy Surface Pro 3 bricks running some terrible version of windows, I'd trade it *and* pay you for your MacBook Air, too!

(written on a satisfied-customer's MacBook Air)

Cue the crickets... (2)

Nexion (1064) | about 4 months ago | (#47300925)

If anyone did take them up on the offer I'd be amazed.

Re:Cue the crickets... (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 4 months ago | (#47301089)

Inexplicably, there will be a few. These are the same people who downvote every inspirational video on youtube.

Re:Cue the crickets... (1)

Wovel (964431) | about 4 months ago | (#47301289)

Awesome. Thanks for that.

Ha ha ha, replace State of Art for M$ crap (0, Troll)

Jorge666 (3709467) | about 4 months ago | (#47300929)

Who sponsored your crappy hardware? M$oft. NSA again?
Last thing we need is your calling home Pukeware Pro
Try again but this time during Bingo for senior citizens. This is your target demographic.

Nope (1)

Brandon Butler (2829853) | about 4 months ago | (#47300949)

Microsoft couldn't pay me to get a Surface, much less give up my Macbook

Dear microsoft... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 4 months ago | (#47300953)

Make it 2 of your top of the line surface 3 pros and I will do it. Because you need to make it a sweet deal for me to jump to a platform known to have issues and very very low adoption rate.

Psst.. Hey buddy! (4, Funny)

the_skywise (189793) | about 4 months ago | (#47301021)

I'll give you $5 for your $20 bill!

I think I'm going to like this new MS CEO...

My 2 year old MBA still beats their Surfactant3 (4, Interesting)

spiritgreywolf (683532) | about 4 months ago | (#47301043)

Seriously. I love the MacBook Air I got a couple of years ago. The thing works very well, and even runs the occasional VMWare Fusion image of Windows 7 I need to run occasionally off of a portable thunderbolt drive. On a whim I got one of the earlier Surface tablets when the wife and I were in Vegas and they had a Kiosk where they were practically giving them away - but for the life of me still cannot use it for anything truly productive.

Trade in a MacBook Air for a surface?! Sorry Microsoft. You've been a day late and a dollar short ever since Ballmer pissed on the idea of tablets and smartphones and Apple smoked you and ate you for breakfast. Apple would have to skullf**k a small, disabled child onstage during their next keynote to even _think_ of falling behind enough for you to catch up to relevancy.

Microsoft - As long as I can virtualize your OS, take a snapshot and rollback when your OS takes a dive and run it all on a machine that, you know, _works_ I won't buy another piece of hardware branded by you. Ever.

And as another poster mentioned, "While supplies last." Really? Wow, even with Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Ballmer gone, you _still_ have a great sense of humor.

Re:My 2 year old MBA still beats their Surfactant3 (0)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 4 months ago | (#47301261)

How's the stylus on your MBA working for you? I hear most stylus and screen input tends to be, um, unresponsive.

And nobody does it .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301045)

Who would do it? Nobody.

Not going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301065)

It really isn't. I bet all of 2 people take them up on this offer, and only then because they are dazed and confused.

ROFL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47301071)

Fortunately, I was not drinking any liquid at the time I read this article. I would have spoilt my carefully maintained MBA keyboard and screen.

Windows 8.X IS A F'ING MESS! I have a visceral dislike of it. And if one with geekish traits has trouble navigating the thing, you seriously expect novices to get to first base with it? The damn "charms" hidden bar, (which is where the important stuff hides) resists being found where the documentation says its supposed to be.

Microsoft would do better to port their enterprise software in such a way that it is platform agnostic because I'm not planning to recommend companies deploy windows 8 anytime soon.

They Multiply... (5, Funny)

imag0 (605684) | about 4 months ago | (#47301073)

Here recently I run by the store on the way home to pick up some milk. Was in a rush and left my Surface Pro on the front seat, in plain view.

When I came out, I discovered someone had broken into my car and left three more Surface Pro's :(

Re:They Multiply... (1)

the_skywise (189793) | about 4 months ago | (#47301115)

Oooh... If I hadn't posted already you'd have had a mod point!

Micro.Slashvert .. (1)

lippydude (3635849) | about 4 months ago | (#47301123)

And this deserves a whole article on slashdot ??

Microsoft targeting Apple users? (3, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47301169)

Microsoft wants Apple users to trade their laptops for Microsoft tablets. How thick are they?

Next up: Microsoft wants you to trade your Playstation 4 in for an Xbox One and only offers you a 200$ rebate for for it, too.

um... no (1)

ScienceofSpock (637158) | about 4 months ago | (#47301347)

I don't even like Apple and I wouldn't trade a macbook for a surface pro. Hell, I'd be hard pressed to trade my first gen Nexus 7 for a surface pro.

I can see why this would work (3, Interesting)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | about 4 months ago | (#47301441)

Gosh, why not? I can see someone looking at their MBA saying, "It works perfectly, has a great OS, awesome battery life, and does everything I could ask for and does it fast. I need to dump this for a barely functional device with an actively antagonistic OS sold by a company unable to secure a wet paper bag or make software that works acceptably. All this for far less battery life and far more money. I wish I had 2 MBAs to trade in!",

Back to the real world....

Did I mention that the day after the S3's release I was at a press event on a bus full of journalists. Anand has his S3 and in less than 24 hours it broke. The entire bus full of tech journos all concluded it was better that way.

That said, some people do like it. Microsoft traded in an absolute monopoly lock on the desktop to cater to 10% of their base. Clever that MS management, clever.

                                -Charlie

OK, MS... let's try this... (2)

jpellino (202698) | about 4 months ago | (#47301517)

I stand outside the MS store with a sign: "I'll pay $660 for the first working 2012 or later MBA 13 4/256" They get their cash, I get a very nice MBA for a song, and if the Surface3 is all that they'll still head into the store and buy it. MS store managers can't legally use a taser, right?
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