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Gaza's Only Power Plant Knocked Offline

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the sometimes-a-battery-is-what-you-need dept.

Power 868

necro81 (917438) writes "Gaza's only power plant (see this profile at IEEE Spectrum — duct tape and bailing wire not included) has been knocked offline following an Israeli strike. Reports vary, but it appears that Israeli tank shells caused a fuel bunker at the plant to explode. Gaza, already short on electricity despite imports from Israel and Egpyt, now faces widening blackouts."

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Nuke those terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556651)

Why doesn't Israel just nuke that shithole?

Nuke those terrorists (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556725)

Do you propose that all concentration camps should be nuked? Gaza is a concentration camp. Until Israel gives all it's citizens equal voting rights, it is nothing more than one of earths most ugly prisons*.

* What does that make the Israelis?

Re: Nuke those terrorists (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556921)

They have voting rights and they voted for Hamas. Now was that a smart vote?

Re: Nuke those terrorists (4, Insightful)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 5 months ago | (#47556991)

I can see how the people of Gaza could think so.

They see Israel as an outside force that periodically comes through town to kill everyone. They see Hamas as the only party willing and able to answer Israel's violence with some Palestinian violence. Whether or not that view of the situation accurately corresponds to reality is irrelevant; the fact of the matter is, the people of Gaza feel that in the current climate, Hamas represents their interests better than any of the other options.

Until the Israeli administration can find a way to change that perception (hint: continuation of the violence, marginalization, and blockage is unlikely to accomplish that goal), I expect continued support of Hamas and a continuation of desperate rocket attacks on Israel.

Re: Nuke those terrorists (5, Informative)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 5 months ago | (#47557033)

Also, I should point out that they (the people of Gaza) don't have voting rights. They used to. They voted in Hamas in free and fair elections. Of course, after Hamas consolidated power, they suspended further elections indefinitely. Hamas still enjoys widespread popular support in Gaza, but they'd be in power regardless, since elections are no longer held and there is no longer any democratic means of removing them from power.

Re: Nuke those terrorists (4, Insightful)

Danathar (267989) | about 5 months ago | (#47557113)

One person, one vote, one time

Nuke those terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556757)

I forgot: If Israel nukes Gaza, they would in effect nuke them selves. It's like New Jersey nuking New York.

Radicalization (5, Insightful)

mrspoonsi (2955715) | about 5 months ago | (#47556657)

Israel is sure doing a good job in that area creating more enemies, if that is their intention, the plan is working.

Re:Radicalization (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556691)

Not that I approve of Israel's bombing of their own citizens(who happen to not have the right to free travel, economic independence, the vote, or other important aspects we might consider important to a self-declared modern liberal democracy).

But it would be silly to think that only Israel is making enemies pointlessly, as far as middle east politics is concerned.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556893)

"Not that I approve of Israel's bombing of their own citizens" - Israel never bombed their own citizens, you probably mean Hamas. In fact, Israel developed high-end technology to protect its citizens from rockets.

"who happen to not have the right to free travel, economic independence, the vote, or other important aspects we might consider important to a self-declared modern liberal democracy" - Israeli citizens has all the rights that Americans have. That includes everything on your list, and it also applies to all citizens, regardless of their religion or political affiliation.

Re:Radicalization (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556927)

Don't want to call people living in their territorial boundaries their whole lives "their own citizens"? Fine.

Their enslaved subjects then.

Re:Radicalization (4, Interesting)

disposable60 (735022) | about 5 months ago | (#47556959)

In fact, aren't there Muslims in the Knesset?
Show me another country in the region that has a single Jew or Christian in office.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556911)

It's a codependency of military strategic/economic value, the US CIA and Israel's IRGUN = Likud. Neither one cares how many it kills or who knows it.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557049)

They're not "Israeli citizens" but Israel doesn't want them to be "Palestine" citizens either. that is the entire problem/conflict in it's simplicity at this point.

They're effectively stateless and effectively without human rights in eyes of the Israeli state - and Israel jews have absolutely zero intent to integrate them into the Israeli state but they don't want them to live where they live either(and many who get voices in the Israeli media have the opinion that they shouldn't live at all, anywhere! and they're playing the "we're the good guys come on why you mad?").

basically, it has boiled down to the Israelis referring to them as scum and calling for GENOCIDE. Seriously, the fucks tout "killing them and their mothers and sons" in their media and somehow think that's OK because handful of Israelis has died in the conflict - which includes taking the land of the palestines by force and killing them in the thousands.

as a consequence, I have decided to just fuck everything Israeli, never travel there, never give them intentionally money and so forth and if a politician would talk about putting an embargo on them I would vote for him.

I mean Israel is turning it to a point where it would be logical(for the defenders) and historically defendable to use battle gases against the Israeli population centres - because they are faced with genocide of their people.

furthermore it's despicable that the western nations aren't prosecuting their citizens who go and serve in a war for another nation in this case.

Re:Radicalization (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556721)

Yea, because the random launching of rockets by Hamas over the years doesn't? It's a 2-way street ya know.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

acoustix (123925) | about 5 months ago | (#47556733)

Hamas started it and reuses to agree to any proposed cease fire. Israel isn't the group calling for the extermination, Hamas is. Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.

But yeah, go ahead and blame Israel.

Re:Radicalization (5, Insightful)

mrspoonsi (2955715) | about 5 months ago | (#47556821)

It is more to do with proportional response. Those rockets they have killed what 2 or 3? there are over 1000 Palestinians dead. You also have to consider that the Palestinian people as a whole are not Hamas, in the same way the Northern Ireland population were not the IRA. The UK did not resort to carpet shelling Northern Ireland to remove the IRA, because it would never have worked, the IRA would only get stronger. Ireland had segregation, it did not work, only by integrating the people can you bring them around and ultimately onto the same side. For every innocent non-terrorist killed, that will recruit many terrorists.

Re:Radicalization (5, Insightful)

ZX-3 (745525) | about 5 months ago | (#47557047)

A comparison with the IRA has its limitations: The IRA mission statement was not the destruction of the entire UK.
The last time the existence of the UK was threatened, it actually did attempt to continuously bomb its enemies.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556825)

Attacking your well armed neighbor with only one power plant at risk, probably not a smart move, though I guess that depends on your perspective. If you're some Hamas leader chillin' in Qatar, this creates more useful hated and conflict.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556835)

If a schoolyard bully steals your lunch money, an appropriate response is not to light his house on fire, bar the windows and doors so no one can escape. In my country, they call that murder.

But convince yourself of anything that makes you sleep at night.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557015)

If a schoolyard bully steals your lunch money, an appropriate response is not to light his house on fire, bar the windows and doors so no one can escape. In my country, they call that murder.

But convince yourself of anything that makes you sleep at night.

I will convince myself.

And while I do, you should think twice before stealing my lunch money.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557101)

If a schoolyard bully steals your lunch money, an appropriate response is not to light his house on fire, bar the windows and doors so no one can escape.

His house or that belonging to the second cousin of the neighbour of his second cousin?

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556849)

And before Hamas, who do we blame because this has been going on for many, many years.

Re:Radicalization (4, Informative)

Splab (574204) | about 5 months ago | (#47556853)

Did they now?

Perhaps you should read other propaganda than you normal intake and see what other parts of the world is thinking.

Right now Israel is facing a lot of problems, it seems like they very well knew that Hamas in fact did *not* sanction the kidnappings; also Israel seems to have left out important informations regarding the kidnapping in order to step up the conflict with Hamas.

Re:Radicalization (4, Insightful)

Jahta (1141213) | about 5 months ago | (#47557091)

Did they now?

Perhaps you should read other propaganda than you normal intake and see what other parts of the world is thinking.

Right now Israel is facing a lot of problems, it seems like they very well knew that Hamas in fact did *not* sanction the kidnappings; also Israel seems to have left out important informations regarding the kidnapping in order to step up the conflict with Hamas.

Quite so. And furthermore, rather than doing the normal criminal investigation thing (collect evidence, arrest likely suspects, bring them to trial, etc), Israel decided that they "just knew" who did it and sent the Israeli Airforce in to flatten their neighbourhood. Israel was very quick to jump on the bandwagon of George W. Bush's "war on terror"; label all your enemies as terrorists and use that to justify whatever you do to them.

To put that in some context, how would the international community have reacted if the British government (during the Irish "troubles") had sent the RAF to bomb neighbourhoods in Belfast or Derry because "we think there are some terrorists there"? It wasn't acceptable then and it's not acceptable now.

Re:Radicalization (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556859)

Israel isn't the group calling for the extermination

Sure, but which one is actually carrying out a marginally effective extermination program?

Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.

Oh, yeah, like we haven't heard that one before. When the Palestinian government got fed up with Israeli stall tactics over its much-ballyhooed "two state solution" and approached the UN for recognition, Israel responded with sanctions. It's pretty obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Israel's words and actions don't match.

For all there is to complain about Hamas, and there's a lot, at least they're honest about who they hate. But yea, go ahead and pretend that they're the only warmongers in the region.

Re:Radicalization (1)

PmanAce (1679902) | about 5 months ago | (#47556887)

And before Hamas, who do we blame because this has been going on for many, many years.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556993)

Re:Radicalization (2, Interesting)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#47556945)

Hamas started it and reuses to agree to any proposed cease fire. Israel isn't the group calling for the extermination, Hamas is. Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.

But yeah, go ahead and blame Israel.

Blah, blah, blah. These two will not stop until one or the other is eliminated from the face of the earth.

Both sides spout off the terrible things the other side is doing to them. And have no intention of ever stopping. My guess is this came down to someone stole someone's goats thousands of years ago, and it's been Hatfield and McCoys - Middle Eastern division - ever since

Because any time it looks like some calm, one or the other side starts screwing with the other.

Neither side has any intention of stopping. - ever. The biggest mistake is that both sides end up dragging others into their "neighbors who can't get along" war

So spare me the atrocity whinefest from both sides. It's awful, and it's sad, and its horrifying. But you all are doing this because this is what you want to do. If both sides didn't want to do this, they'd have stopped doing it - a long long time ago.. Peace is not an option here.

This has been going on from biblical times, and will go on as long as humans exist. Nothing can be done about it. Neither side wants that. For whatever insane reason, both sides are getting something they want from the situation.

Que the "yeah but" arguments from both sides.

Re:Radicalization (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557037)

Hamas started it

2 Points:

1 - [citation needed]

2 - What are you/Israel, 8? WHO FUCKING CARES WHO STARTED IT, be the bigger man/nation and end it.

Israel isn't the group calling for the extermination, Hamas is.

Yet actions speak louder than words - How many Israeli civilians have been killed so far, versus Palestinians? Just because Israel isn't coming right out and saying that they're trying to exterminate the Palestinians doesn't mean they aren't making a damn fine effort.

Israel has also offered legitimacy to the Palestinian government in exchange for a cease fire and removing the language in the charter to kill all jews.

Things are never that black and white. I mean, you're talking about a government that is building a, what, 60 foot concrete WALL around the West Bank, 80% of which is deep within Palestinian territory. Do you think Israel, once the wall is built, is not going to claim all the territory on "their side" is theirs now?

But yeah, go ahead and blame Israel.

I will, because Israel is the only one in a position to end this conflict peacefully. Hamas isn't doing the Palestinians any favors, but they aren't the powerful nation marching an actual army down the streets of Gaza, now are they?

P.S. if your actions cause people to bury fucking babies, YOU ARE WRONG . Period, end of fucking story.

--CanHasDIY, because logging in is apparently broken for me today.

Re:Radicalization (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557109)

Hey I found the JIDF member!

Re: Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556745)

Nop. Israel cant make more enemies. Now it can make only friends.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556747)

Israel is sure doing a good job in that area creating more enemies, if that is their intention, the plan is working.

I think they are looking for a final solution.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | about 5 months ago | (#47556751)

So what do you think should be Israel's response to the constant bombing of their country?

The fact that Israel hasn't just wiped the country off the map is perplexing to me. It is usually what happens when a weak country continues to poke at a stronger one.

Re: Radicalization (0)

AvitarX (172628) | about 5 months ago | (#47556793)

By their own citizens?

Trials and jailtime.

Re: Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556949)

By their own citizens?

Trials and jailtime.

Clearly, you have no idea what you're talking about. The people in Gaza are Palestenian, not Israelis. They are not Israeli citizens, and they don't want to be.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | about 5 months ago | (#47556817)

You mean slaughter them relentlessly like the jews were slaughtered? What an idea!

Re:Radicalization (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556845)

> So what do you think should be Israel's response to the constant bombing of their country?

Whatever it is, killing women and children isn't it.

No, I don't approve of what Hamas is doing (or has been doing all the time), but just count the casualties. Israel's response just isn't it. They're just providing Hamas with more people ready to go all-out.

Evil is definitely on both sides, but the moral weight on Israel looks way greater, as they're operating from the position of strength.

Re:Radicalization (1)

slimshady76 (3752059) | about 5 months ago | (#47556955)

Israel needs Hamas to justify its behavior. Or to say it better, its fascist right wing needs it. I refuse to believe all the people in Israel believes in this type of massacre being legit.

Re:Radicalization (1, Redundant)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 5 months ago | (#47556905)

So what do you think should be Israel's response to the constant bombing of their country?

So what do you think should Palestine's response to the constant checkpoints, blockading of their ports, airport and border crossings, as well as the occupation and continued confiscation of their land by Israel should be?

See the problem? One side says, "Look! See how evil they are. They [insert some random nonsense]. That is why we do what we do."

Then the other side says, "See! See how they are. They [insert some random nonsense]. That is why we do what we do."

The fact is, Israel has two parties as part of its government who are just as hellbent on the destruction of Palestine and the removal of all Palestinians from Israel and the land they want to confiscate as those who claim Hamas wants to do the same to Israel, YET no one has a problem with these de facto terrorist groups being part of the Israeli government. It's only when Hamas gets its voice in the Palestinian government that people have a problem.

The double standard is truly staggering when you consider Israel was South Africa's lone partner during the Apartheid regime, and it, Israel, learned well from those policies, policies which it now implements with impunity because its lobby has bought and paid for the the U.S. Congress to do its bidding, regardless of what happens.

So when you say what should Israel's response to X be, turn it around and ask the same of what Palestine's response should be to Y. You'll never hear any Israeli spokesperson answer the question, "What would you do if you had to live under the same conditions" because to do so would expose the hypocrisy of their position.

Re:Radicalization (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556909)

They have been wiping it off the map, piece by piece and making that land their own.

You have a point though - the palestinian people might well be better off if they were citizens of Israel. At the moment they are being kept in a small prison.

Of course like any other conflict, they are all basically the same people

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

Palestinians are the new Jews and the Israel is bullys them just like the Jews were in Germany.

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

jameslore (219771) | about 5 months ago | (#47556937)

If they stopped building settlements; stopped dissecting the West Bank for the settler's safety and actually acted like they were interested in a two state solution, that'd be pretty good.

Few sane people are criticising Israel's right and necessity to defend its citizens (although the way they're going about it is certainly fair game) - where it appears most critics (including myself) have a problem is in that subset of Israelis who oppose peace and (especially through the settlements) do everything possible to obstruct it - and have been controlling the government in recent years. Hamas's behaviour is indefensible. But unprovoked it is not, and for the Israeli government to play the innocent in this is just taking the piss.

TL;DR As history proves, violence without a political dimension only begets more violence.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556957)

The solution is to stop stealing somebody else's country in the first place? Stop stealing their land, bulldozing their houses, sniping their children, imposing hideous blockades on them, etc.?

Re:Radicalization (1)

PseudoCoder (1642383) | about 5 months ago | (#47557053)

The reason they haven't done it is simple; it's not their stated goal and it never has been. On the other hand, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood etc have jihad and extermination of the Jews in their charter.

And when they're done with the Jews they're coming after the rest of us infidels. Domination and subjugation is at the core of militant Islam. That's not islamophobia; it's history. Remember when that caliphate thingy was the kind of kooky stuff that kooky conspiracy theorists talked about and the brilliant intellects at CNN ridiculed? Wanna look at ISIS's little bit of handy work in Iraq and what they're calling themselves? (hint: it rhymes with aliphate)

Re:Radicalization (3, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | about 5 months ago | (#47556797)

Thank God they are getting the inmates of the concentration camp under control.

Re:Radicalization (2)

Graydyn Young (2835695) | about 5 months ago | (#47556815)

I know your being sarcastic, but maybe making enemies is part of the plan. The net result of attacks on Israel has been an over-all increase in territory for Israel. Seems like making enemies has been working out pretty well for them so far.

Re:Radicalization (2)

junkgoof (607894) | about 5 months ago | (#47556869)

The government is right wing and, like GWB gets more votes when there is a war on. The more people are hurt or killed on both sides the more people want war so it feeds on itself and the government has a better chance of staying in power and enriching selves, friends and political allies.

Israel was quite restrained when governed by parties that did not benefit from additional violence.

You would think lives > votes but certainly the US and Israel strongly disagree. I'd be curious how many western governments would refrain from killing citizens for votes. Certainly most of them are willing to kill their economies for campaign donations.

Re:Radicalization (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556907)

Israel is NOT creating MORE enemies. Everyone who wants to be an enemy is ALREADY an enemy. Israel needs to destroy its enemies once and for all. After it crushes the idiots in Gaza it will be time to demolish Iran's nuclear sites. And the chief muslim in the White House had better get on board and help Israel defend itself.

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557105)

Israel needs to destroy its enemies once and for all.

Well, now that they have the Palestinians segregated into a big walled area, maybe they should come up with some sort of final solution to wipe them out altogether.

Re:Radicalization (1)

slimshady76 (3752059) | about 5 months ago | (#47556929)

Edward Said couldn't say it better: "It's hard to be the victim's victim". Israel has done to the Palestine people what the Nazis done to their people. But far from being just a racist extermination war, this is driven by the vast gas and oil reserves laying below the Gaza strip. The West needs more oil and gas in order to be independent from Russia, so let's take those bastards off the map!

Re:Radicalization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556943)

You're presuming several somethings that you shouldn't.

1) There is a distinction between radicals and "moderates" within Islam.

“There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it” - Recep Erdogan

This is the most direct statement from one of their own. There's other less direct statements along those lines all over the place.

2) That HAMAS isn't bringing this on itself and all they want is peace.

From the Covenant of The Hamas...

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' - Preamble

'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.' - Article 6

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' - Article 13

Quite simply, your presumption of not defending/responding (Which is what is implied by your remarks- if you didn't intend it, perhaps you should rephrase it (Not that it wasn't really clear anyhow...)) is insane in light of that.

3) That this BS hasn't been ongoing for very long and it's all (really it's not even partially that) Israel's fault.

Those of Islam have been trying to conquer the ENTIRE world for over 1400 years now [youtube.com]

You might want to enlighten yourself a bit before making remarks on this or any of the other related subjects. Your ignorance is showing badly- and it's clear you haven't been paying attention and listening solely to what validates what you feel to be true. (Hint for you: That's a symptom of a serious mental health issue- you probably ought to get it checked out...)

Re:Radicalization (1)

Guy From V (1453391) | about 5 months ago | (#47557031)

You must be posting from the Bizzaro world, because if you aren't you are seriously f%^#&( in the &$(!

This might actually kill more than the bombs (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556659)

Depending on just how freshwater is distributed in Gaza, and the infrastructure demands it has, this could mean a lot more heat exhaustion, and water-borne infection related deaths.

Even a smallish percentage of people being affected is a huge number of people dying in a high temperature densely packed urban environment.

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (4, Insightful)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about 5 months ago | (#47556707)

It will also likely cause the bombs to kill more people. A lack of power will cause people to leave their homes and try to find somewhere that has clean water or air conditioning, which means a higher density of people packed into a smaller area. This means higher death counts when Israeli missiles inevitably hit another civilian area, as they've been doing since the start of this war.

Re: This might actually kill more than the bombs (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556787)

Their missiles are pretty accurate. Artillery shells and mortars are the problem. In any case It is pretty stupid to seek shelter in a building that us used by the muslim jihad army.

Re: This might actually kill more than the bombs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556979)

Their missiles are pretty accurate.

Your post takes on a sinister meaning in the face of well-over 1,000 dead Palestinians, the vast majority of who are civilians.

Oh, and I did notice your attempt to make your opponents appear unified & well-organised by your use of the term "army". Nice touch.
I suspect it's been a busy couple of weeks for you, trying to influence public opinion on social media. (?)

Re: This might actually kill more than the bombs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557085)

Their missiles are pretty accurate.

So, what you're saying, then, is that all the civilian deaths have been intentionally-committed war crimes.

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (1)

qbast (1265706) | about 5 months ago | (#47556833)

Israel is not leaving it to chance, so they targeted water supply directly: http://www.theecologist.org/Ne... [theecologist.org] . Sewage system is also being destroyed, probably in hope of spreading diseases.

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556903)

There have been relatively few wars where the increased risk of disease wasn't the primary killer. WWII, Korea, Iraq I, maybe Vietnam(I don't know much about the stats on the Vietcong side).

Even recent wars like Iraq II has a lot of evidence that this kind of infrastructure damage killed hundreds of thousands.

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 5 months ago | (#47556923)

It might also make it much harder for Hamas to fire rockets in the dark.

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556953)

"Hey this risk to the lives of tens of thousands of people is okay, because we don't think Hamas terrorists have access to flashlights"

Re:This might actually kill more than the bombs (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 5 months ago | (#47557001)

"Hey this risk to the lives of tens of thousands of people when Israel responds is okay, because these rockets we're about to fire are holy jihad. dirka dirka dirka!"

fuel bunker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556667)

is a bunker so an obvious military target.

Re:fuel bunker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556899)

Any building over there which survives more than a couple of years of this kind of crap is necessarily a bunker. Surely you understand that?

Nuke Gaza! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556677)

Those terrorist deserve a swift death in the nuclear fire!

It's the only way to be sure... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556685)

Then there would be nothing to fight over and maybe some peace at last.

Terrorism (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556687)

Isn't hitting civilian infrastructure terrorism?

Re:Terrorism (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556709)

In a word: no. Terrorism is almost definitionally non-government organizations engaged in violence to effect political change.

When governments do it, we call it various other things based on our own perspective of the situation: war, policing, tyranny, among others.

Re:Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556755)

Or if it is done by Israel, we don't call it at all, because it would be antisemitism.

Re:Terrorism (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556855)

Obviously we do. Is there some magical threshold of people calling out wrongdoings that would be sufficient for you?

I hate how ambiguous this kind of assertion is. As if there was some unspecified "they" keeping us from discussing it. I've been called an anti-semite for condemning this kind of bombing before, but that just represents one more thing that particular person was wrong about.

Re: Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556839)

Not if you are wearing a uniform of recognized army and your weapons are visible. I guess that was either a miss or some jihadi was shooting from there.

Re:Terrorism (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 5 months ago | (#47557077)

Isn't hitting civilian infrastructure terrorism?

Power plants are not civilian infrastructure. Hitting power plants has long been a key tactic in war because it cripples the enemy's capability to continue to fight. No power means no factories making bombs. No power means no communications.

When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556717)

Posting AC because of all you politically-correct pussies who think any criticism of Zionists, no matter how radical they are or what they do, is "anti-semitic."

But it appears that the only lesson that SOME Jews learned from Hitler was "Hey, *we* should do that when *we're* in charge!" Ghettos, ethnic oppression, etc. Looks like they learned from the best. I just hope it doesn't come down to the ovens.

Re:When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556749)

This, except when you say 'Jews' I think 'Israelis' would be more accurate.

Re: When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556801)

Show me some Jews who don't support Isreal in this conflict

Re: When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556995)

Posting AC here to avoid all the anti-semitic critics. Take a look at this, use Google Translate to get it right: http://www.plazademayo.com/201... [plazademayo.com]

Re:When did the Jews become the Nazis? (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 5 months ago | (#47556819)

You have to accept, as a critic of Israel, that some people who agree with you about their human rights violations will have shades of actual anti-antisemitism in their statements.

Whether they intend it or not varies, but it's definitely there sometimes. People have a hard time separating nationality, race, religion, and government in their heads. We're a primitive species, and it happens.

You've made the conflation of "Israelis" and "Israel", for example, while Israelis do vote for the government they have, many(not enough though) vote for people who don't want to perpetuate the cycle of violence.

Re: When did the Jews become the Nazis? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556811)

Hitler never removed its own citizens from their homes and turned over complete control of the land to the Jews, as Israel evacuated its own people in 2005 to ensure there were no soldiers and no Jews in gaza and no blockade. The blockade only began two years later when Hamas took over and began even more violence. The comparison between Israel
And hitler is beyond ludicrous.

Re:When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556867)

The other Arab nations had already taken pol-pot and stalin.

Re:When did the Jews become the Nazis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557045)

No one will touch you because your posting as anonymous "shit-for-brains"

Israel lied about bombing the UN school. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556765)

Israel targeted the school deliberately, says it was warned after the fact *(It wasn't.) Then blamed Hamas. Now we know the truth, days later.

The question is will the US continue to veto UN action to hold this rogue terrorist state to task?

Proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556851)

Storing rockets in a school is most definitely Hamas' fault.

Re:Proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557093)

Is there a proof of any rockets stored? Or it is standard Israeli - "any civilian we kill is by definition a terrorist" ?

Re:Israel lied about bombing the UN school. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557071)

Yes we can

Don't allow missils to be fired... (4, Insightful)

EzInKy (115248) | about 5 months ago | (#47556785)

...from your territitory and chances are good that you won't get missles fired back at you. Sign a document to that effect and you will most likely have peace.

Re:Don't allow missils to be fired... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556981)

...from your territitory and chances are good that you won't get missles fired back at you. Sign a document to that effect and you will most likely have peace.

Ah yes, "peace" like they have in the West Bank where there are 0 missiles fired, yet they still manage to kill a few Palestinians per week. Peace to Israel is no resistence to their land grab.

sigh. bailing wire? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 months ago | (#47556805)

duct tape and bailing wire not included

bail [reference.com] : to clear of water by dipping (usually followed by out ): to bail out a boat
bale [reference.com] : to make (hay, etc) into a bale or bales

Try "baling". Also, try not using words you don't understand.

Re:sigh. bailing wire? (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 5 months ago | (#47557023)

The funny thing from my view is we never called it "baling wire", or "baling (anything else)". When we opened a bale of hay, we cut the binders twine that held it together.

why do liberals hate jews so much? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556809)

I mean more than the average slashdotter?

Note: modding this down makes as much sense as negotiating with somone who denies your right to life.

Re:why do liberals hate jews so much? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557051)

Please don't confuse Jews with the fascist Israeli government. And don't mistake criticizing for hate. What the Israeli troops are doing on Gaza is simply manslaughter. I guess many dickheads in the US are willing to do the same to Mexico, but guess what, that's not right. If you lack the moral compass to understand these simple facts, I suggest you to stay away from this kind of debates.

How's that working out for you. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47556879)

How's that working out for you.
Since 1948 the Palestinians have insisted on their right to resist. One has to ask,
"How's that working out for you"?
Seriously, how's that working out for you.
In 48 the UN partitioned the area between the Jews & the Arabs. The Jews accepted it and the Arabs did not. BTW the Arabs had more territory then the 67 borders. Of course the Arabs maintained their right to resist. From 48 to 67 the West Bank & Gaza was in Arab hands, but rather then create a country for their people the Arabs kept their people in Refugee camps to continue the Resistance. Again,
How did that work out for you?
After 67 there was an open offer of land for peace from Israel, but the Arabs maintained their right to resist.
How did that work out for you?
In 2005 the PA assured Israel that Gaza would be demilitarized. In 2007 Hamas took control of Gaza, killing hundreds of Fatah men, and maintained their right to resist.
How's that working out for you?
Maybe, just maybe, it's time to stop resisting and just start building you country. Look at what Israel did in that time. The Palestinian people, not their leaders, that I've known, have been smart, hardworking, industrious people, who, in my opinion, could give Israel a run for its money as a start up nation.
The real tragedy here is that some of Israel's neighbors hate Israel so much that they are willing to fight her to the very last Palestinian and Hamas is more than happy to let that happen. It truly is tragic.

Hamas Is 100 Percent of the Problem (-1, Flamebait)

resistant (221968) | about 5 months ago | (#47556895)

I have karma to burn, and anti-Jewish, anti-Christian Islamist terrorism really, really ticks me off, so what the hell.

If the murdering thugs from Hamas hadn't slurped off tens of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to build terror tunnels and hundreds of terror rockets instead of paying attention to the decaying infrastructure that was the specific target of the humanitarian aid, then that power plant would have been in much better condition. If the murdering thugs from Hamas hadn't insisted in raining rockets on innocent Israeli citizens for months and years, then the Israeli military wouldn't have been forced to fight yet another war to cut down on the growing threat to the lives and safety of said Israeli citizens. If the murdering thugs from Hamas didn't insist on using mosques, schools, hospitals and private residences for stockpiling weapons and for firing on Israeli troops, then the death toll and damage to critical infrastructure would have been vastly lessened.

The Israelis already have lost a significant number of troops specifically from having been so careful to conduct pinpoint strikes and to put their troops in harm's way rather than simply flatten every possible Gazan target from afar. My sympathies lie utterly and totally with hard-pressed Israeli troops and not with the disingenuous apologists for murder and terrorism who frantically, convulsively and endlessly vomit pro-jihadist propaganda.

The squirming slugs who hysterically refuse to recognize Hamas and other Islamoterrorist groups as constituting quite literally 100 percent of the source of all war and misery in the Middle East should crawl back under their rocks and quietly excrete their slime until they suffocate and fossilize in dried crud.

Re:Hamas Is 100 Percent of the Problem (5, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 5 months ago | (#47557089)

So... you're on the fence about which side to blame.

Like So Many of Humanity's Woes (3, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | about 5 months ago | (#47556983)

This one seems to be caused by a tiny percentage of assholes on both sides. Peace will never be in the assholes' best interest as it will reduce the amount of control the assholes have over their populations. Dozens of times during my lifetime peace has been within reach, only to be shattered by some asshole on one side or the other. Until such time as leaders arise on both sides who are interested and committed to a peaceful solution, this situation will not change.

Dated 2009 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557021)

Don't suppose anyone knows the current state of affairs with regard to the power plant?

I would (0, Troll)

msobkow (48369) | about 5 months ago | (#47557067)

I would call the Israelis "animals" for what they're doing to the Gazans, except that I know of no species so cruel and vicious.

Re:I would (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 5 months ago | (#47557111)

Yes you do. You're a member of that species.

Its fair game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47557095)

In a war between countries, power generation facilities are a legitimate target.
Remeber the dambasters of WWII

Of course as far as Hamas is concerned, any target in Israel is fair game, so they shouldn't complain.

The only peaceful solution is for the Palestinians to be relocated elsewhere in the world, (I am sure there are much more hospitible places with better climate and resources) and Israel, and the global jewish community that supports them should pay for the relocation.

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